Another Doctor Buys In

[ezmoose]

It's amazing how many professionals (Health Care Providers, Public Health Agencies, Politicians, etc.) lack the ability or desire to do independent research on E Cigarettes and merely parrot the now debunked disinformation propagated by the FDA!

My boss smokes e-cigarettes in the office. Is this safe? – Paging Dr. Gupta - CNN.com Blogs

 

[ezmoose]

Added a comment to the article.

1. The doctor may want to do some independent research instead of buying into, and parroting, the widely spread and faulty disinformation that originates from a now debunked FDA study.

2. The supervisor may want to take the time to explain what E Cigarettes are to the employee and suggest a few sources of information other than the FDA.

3. The employee may want to wear respiratory protection whilst commuting; car exhaust is many times more a health risk then E Cigarettes could ever be!

I encourage others to add comments to dilute the Doctor's misconceptions.

 

[Stephaniems]

I left a comment, anyway these media doctors should be more accountable with the stuff they spout.

 

[ezmoose]

I left a comment, anyway these media doctors should be more accountable with the stuff they spout.

Thanks for commenting!

Interesting; my comment (submitted before yours) did not make it past the moderator? I must have hit a nerve! lol

 

[Stephaniems]

What in the world did you say.

 

[ezmoose]

What in the world did you say.

What I listed above, numbered 1 through 3, less the numbers, but in those exact words.

I suspect number 1 was the reason? lol

 

[Stephaniems]

Thought you may have worded it differently cause list didnt seem to have anything wrong with it.

 

[ezmoose]

Perhaps the truth hurts? lol

 

[lulubell360]

I just posted a 1,2,3 scenario also but mine showed up immediately. I didn't think yours was too harsh. Try again & see what happens.

 

[CES]

ezmoose- your comment is up now. Mine is awaiting moderation. But, honestly, this is so frustrating that I'm not sure why I bothered.

 

[ezmoose]

ezmoose- your comment is up now. Mine is awaiting moderation. But, honestly, this is so frustrating that I'm not sure why I bothered.

Voila, my second attempt passed muster; If at first you don't succeed...

Why the first one didn't take will just have to go down as yet another unsolved mystery?

Indeed, it's frustrating reading the propaganda and being outnumbered by a vastly misinformed public!

 

[Lilacs212too]

I would love to see the ignorant doctor comment back. I wonder how many prescriptions he has written for nebulizer treatments, or albuterol inhalers?

Dr. Guspta is an emmy award winning neurosurgeon. I would love to see what a pulmonologist has to say about the decision to move from a twenty plus year smoking habit to a PV habit that his/her mother/father/sister/brother switched to.

While I realize my PV is a healthier choice, I also know that it is on a list of bad habits I have, such as my two morning cups of coffee, and choosing diet soda over flavored water. But I am a much happier vaper than I ever was smoker! (and I smell better, too! )

 

[ezmoose]

I tried, twice, to reply to MC's comment:

"MC – I am not affiliated with any E Cigarette Suppliers. The amount of “second hand” nicotine (displaced into the air and quickly dissipated) is too minute to concern anyone; I doubt if it could even be quantitatively measured.
However, following your line of reasoning, anything that subjects another to potentially harmful emissions (cars, trucks, motorcycles, planes, jets, boats, ships, fireplaces, BBQs, power plants, factories, candles, fireworks, perfumes, bon fires, on and on…) should be banned!"

However, I can't seem to make it past the moderator? I suppose I should just move on...

 

[ezmoose]

Looks like I spoke too soon; my first attempt was posted. Maybe I need to work on my patience? lol

 

[telsie]

My comment has been awaiting moderation there for nearly an hour now. Maybe it got rejected? Anyway, here's what I'd commented:

The main thing to remember is that electronic cigarettes emit a vapor, not smoke. When you burn a roast in the oven, that's smoke. When you boil water on the stove, that's vapor. Big difference.

Obviously, what's IN the vapor is the concern here, so here's a list of ingredients: propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, distilled water, food grade flavoring, citric acid, nicotine (optional). The ingredients vary some by manufacturer, but that's what's in the solution in my electronic cigarette.

I don't know if electronic cigarettes are 100% safe, but I do know they're a LOT safer than tobacco cigarettes. And as former smoker, I certainly feel better inhaling vapor than I did inhaling toxic smoke. No one around me is bothered by it in the slightest either. In fact, they actually like the smell of it.

"we do not know yet the health effects of inhaling pure nicotine"

Really? The Nicotrol Inhaler, which delivers pure nicotine by inhalation, is FDA approved.

"some of the most popular e-cigarette brands contain carcinogens – they could still cause cancer."

While technically true, it's a bit misleading to say electronic cigarettes contain carcinogens. The carcinogens found in e-cigarettes are also present in pharmaceutical nicotine products (gum, lozenges, inhaler, etc) because nicotine is derived from tobacco. The risk is insignificant at those levels.

"The FDA has also detected a toxic chemical found in antifreeze in some leading brands."

Diethylene Glycol was a trace contaminant (not an ingredient) found in one of the cartridges that the FDA tested. I think people get confused about this issue because the main ingredient in the vapor solution in electronic cigarettes is PROPYLENE glycol, which is used in some antifreezes (that are made to be less toxic than regular antifreeze). Propylene glycol, however, is not toxic. It is considered safe for human consumption by the FDA. It's used in food products, hygiene and cosmetic products, medicines and... well, just start looking at product labels. People use it and ingest it daily.

 

[kristin]

I posted, as well. We'll see if my "rants" get through. In case they don't, here is what I said:

MC - I'm on the board of directors for CASAA - the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association. We are a non-profit, all volunteer organization and receive NO funding from electronic cigarettes, tobacco companies or pharmaceutical companies. Our goal is to save lives through education and information about smoke-free alternatives.

Other groups such as the American Association of Public Health Physicians, Smokefree Pennsylvania, the American Council on Science and Health, Health New Zealand and numerous doctors involved in tobacco harm-reduction have completed or reviewed several tests on electronic cigarettes and concluded that they are up to 99% safer than tobacco cigarettes. If something is only a 1% risk to the actual user, how can it be of any significant danger to a bystander?? There is simply no way one can conceivably compare this to cigarette smoke!

Health New Zealand concluded that the majority of the nicotine in the vapor is absorbed by the user. Any left in the exhaled vapor would be so negligable and would disperse in the air so quickly that bystanders would be in no significant danger of exposure. I personally don't believe there is any more exposure than if the supervisor was chewing nicotine gum and breathing out into the room!

Besides that, diluted nicotine (absent the smoke) hasn't been shown to be any more dangerous to breathe than someone's cologne, hairspray or aftershave fumes. If someone is so concerned about the air being 100% pure, they had better move out of the city and quit breathing in all of that car exhaust - because that is doing more damage to them than a tiny amount of nicotine from an ecig. They should also quit eating eggplant, tomatoes, potatoes and cauliflower - which all contain nicotine.

The reason you are seeing these rants is because smokers have finally found a safer, non-evasive way to use nicotine (the same way coffee, cola and energy drink users have a safe, non-evasive way to use caffeine) and public health groups, the FDA and articles like this continue to downplay the very significant health benefits of smokeless alternatives and that threatens our very lives.

Trying to ban electronic cigarettes, which have been on the world market for over 6 years and on the U.S. market for over 2 years - without any reports of illness or injury attributed to their use - while leaving the proven-deadly tobacco cigarettes on the market, is in direct conflict with protecting public health.

It's important that non-smokers know that the government (which gets BILLIONS in tobacco taxes) and these "health" groups (which receive millions in funding from pharmaceutical companies) are willing to lie to smokers to keep them smoking and keep the money rolling in. Smoker's are still people's family, friends and co-workers. You probably know someone yourself who could benefit from switching to a smokeless alternative, yet they won't because they think it's just as bad! You can thank these "health" organizations for that.

These groups know for a FACT that smokeless tobacco products, such as snus, orbs and lozenges (and ecigs) are 99% less hazardous for a smoker's health and completely eliminates second- hand exposure to smoker's families, yet they insist that tobacco companies not tell people that fact. They allow people to believe that nicotine is the killer in cigarettes, when it is PROVEN that nicotine is not carcinogenic and has only minimal health risks and it's the SMOKE that kills. Absent the smoke, using nicotine is no more dangerous than using caffeine - THAT has been proven. You are in no more danger from these devices than I am from having to smell your cinnamon dolce latte.

The lies and the misinformation has to STOP!

That is why we rant.

@ JRS "Really amazing how many smokers have chimed in saying they know their product is safe despite the fact there are no long term studies. The unhealthiness of smoking is well documented because smoking has been around for centuries. E-cigs are brand new and there is literally no way to have studied their effects over the course of years.

Don't be sheep and bleat that they're safe because tobacco companies– and the puppet FDA– told you they are."

This is why we are trying to educate people.

1. Ecigs have been on the market for over 6 years, without any reports of injury or illness atrtibuted to them. On the contrary, users overwhelmingly report improved health. Doctor visits indicate the user's health to be on par with someone who has QUIT smoking.

2. "Long-term studies" is a joke. How long were the studies for Chantix? Within months people were reporting adverse affects and even suicides.

3. The tobacco companies DON'T make ecigs and the FDA didn't approve them. The FDA tested them, found no toxic levels of any chemicals or carcinogens, yet still issued a statement that they found carcinogens and toxic chemicals.

Trust me - we aren't listening to the FDA!

There have been several tests and studies that show no toxic chemicals and that the levels of TSNAs are comparable to the nicotine patch.

So, no toxic levels of chemicals, safe levels of TSNAs, 6 years with no adverse affects and reports from millions of users that they have been able to quit using tobacco cigarettes and feel health benefits.

How much more proof do you need??

 

[telsie]

^ Beautiful "rants". I am so tired of the misguided outrage and misinformation campaigns. We really do need to slam them with truth. As hard as they fought against smoking is how hard we need to be fighting FOR vaping.

 

[Stephaniems]

The general population needs to be educated, cause they really have no clue. Esp over nicotine.

 

[jjrose]

Bravo Kristin!

 

[lulubell360]

Kristin, it did get through. Glad your on our side.

I don't know how that thumbs down got there, must have been a slip of the old keys