FDA no go on E-CIGs

[TropicalBob]

That site is all the FDA needs ... if the antis really read those flavors ... bubble gum, cotton candy .. "addiction 'juice'" .. arrrrgh .. stupid!!!

But in all the vitriol now being aimed at ASH for its opposition to e-cigs, they did state something most here have overlooked in the "save the children" rants. Why, you ask, would a teen choose to e-smoke? Why not real cigarettes?

Smell.

Real cigarettes leave odors on clothes and breath, and a responsible momma/poppa could be mighty upset if they smelled cigarette smoke on their young 'un. Teachers and principals can smell it too. Stale cigarette smoke stinks, as most of us well know.

But vapor doesn't leave an odor. Vapor is the kick without the clue.

We've had posts on this forum about high school students huddled in parking lots to e-smoke. It's the cool new thing, you know.

The bottom line is that concern for the next generation of nicotine addicts is more than a fantasy. It's very real. And it is being addressed by everyone but those now e-smoking and posting on this forum. It's not going to do our cause any good to bash those who espouse "saving the children."

 

[PatriciafromCO]

geesh what a bomb statement that is.... It's the parents responsibility to save their kids if they need saving.... NO offense and hate me if you will,,, but I didn't spit them out I didn't lay down and have unprotected sex and got myself pregnant and kept doing it after the first one and the so on.... I'm offended that my life is to be ruled in any form or fashion becasue people can't educate, control their own kids or don't care to do so.,, that it is so easy to say I don't have to raise or take responsibilty for having kids,, it's everyone else fault.... I am offended

 

[Webby]

That site is all the FDA needs ... if the antis really read those flavors ... bubble gum, cotton candy .. "addiction 'juice'" .. arrrrgh .. stupid!!!

But in all the vitriol now being aimed at ASH for its opposition to e-cigs, they did state something most here have overlooked in the "save the children" rants. Why, you ask, would a teen choose to e-smoke? Why not real cigarettes?

Smell.

Real cigarettes leave odors on clothes and breath, and a responsible momma/poppa could be mighty upset if they smelled cigarette smoke on their young 'un. Teachers and principals can smell it too. Stale cigarette smoke stinks, as most of us well know.

But vapor doesn't leave an odor. Vapor is the kick without the clue.

We've had posts on this forum about high school students huddled in parking lots to e-smoke. It's the cool new thing, you know.

The bottom line is that concern for the next generation of nicotine addicts is more than a fantasy. It's very real. And it is being addressed by everyone but those now e-smoking and posting on this forum. It's not going to do our cause any good to bash those who espouse "saving the children."

!#%!!#!

Great. Considering even the no-nic carts tested had trace amounts, there is NO way around saying these aren't marketed to kids. All they need is a cute cartoon mascot (Ciggy the E-Cig?) and PVs will be gone faster than candy cigarettes and bubble gum cigars.

Reminds me of the Flintstone ads for Winston...

YouTube - 3 Flintstones Winston Cigarettes Commercials

 

[Webby]

Deja vu... Double posted...

 

[zero7starz]

Doesn't mean that a smoking parent wouldn't purchase an ecig for a teen if they did catch them smoking. "here, this is healthier" =\

I had a friend in high school whos mom used to buy her cigarettes. She smoked, so why was it bad for her daughter to smoke?

Its not the products, its the parents. If you have a pre disposition to addictive behavior it doesn't matter how long it takes you to get addicted- it will happen. Its socialization. If you grew up watching people smoke, chances are you will /will want to as well.

 

[Kelly79]

I had friends in high school whose smoking parents bought their kids smokes too, and thereby supplied my habit since guys rarely mind when a girl bums a smoke, some of those guys would give or buy me packs of cigs, I would never have gotten away with it myself I looked even younger than I was. if kids wanna smoke their gonna, same with these.

Now that teens know about them, if the FDA bans them they'll just learn to mod (hey they are some of the best and the brightest) and I think that it'll be a real shock to the country when they realize the enormity of a problem they'll have with black market nic-juice sales.

Sorry FDA, but I don't think there will be any putting this genie back in the lamp.

 

[chad]

The bottom line is that concern for the next generation of nicotine addicts is more than a fantasy. It's very real. And it is being addressed by everyone but those now e-smoking and posting on this forum. It's not going to do our cause any good to bash those who espouse "saving the children."

TB, you are always very insightful and it's a joy (albeit sometimes painful one) to read your posts. I agree there is a "real" concern but, couching the concern in the argument that "flavors" reel in the youth is farcical at best and a downright lie at worst. Further, the FDA pulling in Jonathan Winickoff, the chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics' tobacco consortium is just a ploy to garner angst at the "big, bad, drug pushers" hoping to addict our kids. In truth, we know that high school students (though often under the legal age to buy cigarettes) are not children and that children under the age of fourteen are not so likely to "enjoy" smoking (e or otherwise) enough to take it up (even considering peer pressure).

The "child protection" angle the FDA is using is pure propaganda designed to insight public outrage over a perceived threat to elementary school children. It is, in a word, FUD.

 

[Nestran]

Agree, the child angle is crap. My son as 15 or so friends that I know of and I'm sure many other acquaintances. The other day I asked that he not let his friends smoke in my car and my wife asked which one and he replied that all but a few smoke. They smoke analogs. Hmm, 3 out of 15 "children" we are talking 19 year olds at this point but they started smoking before today smoking.
Why do we not care that Cigarettes are legal?
Why are we so concerned about flavored ecig juice?
Why are flavored cigars and wraps not banned?
I can go to the quickie mart right now and get grape cigars.
Whee what fun for the kiddies!

Nestran

 

[TropicalBob]

Chad, good post and I agree that the "save the children" card is overplayed by the antis.

Bluntly, my main fear is that the no-nicotine mania will spread to the other "discreet" ways that I get my nicotine: snus, dissolvables and nasal snuff. Think about it. These are invisible in public use. No smell. No way at all to detect someone sitting in a classroom buzzing on a mouthful of nicotine. And, for reasons I never see stated, the antis just go crazy at the very idea.

I see the anti-smoking movement morphing into the anti-tobacco movement which will soon become anti-nicotine, with the slogan: Not one more generation hooked on nicotine. It's coming. Watch for it.

And that worries me since I'm hooked on nicotine.

 

[Kelly79]

Chad, good post and I agree that the "save the children" card is overplayed by the antis.

Bluntly, my main fear is that the no-nicotine mania will spread to the other "discreet" ways that I get my nicotine: snus, dissolvables and nasal snuff. Think about it. These are invisible in public use. No smell. No way at all to detect someone sitting in a classroom buzzing on a mouthful of nicotine. And, for reasons I never see stated, the antis just go crazy at the very idea.

I see the anti-smoking movement morphing into the anti-tobacco movement which will soon become anti-nicotine, with the slogan: Not one more generation hooked on nicotine. It's coming. Watch for it.

And that worries me since I'm hooked on nicotine.

I'm with you there Bob...Good slogan though, stop giving the ideas LOL. Schools already teach anti-nicotine, anti-alcohol, and anti-caffeine, many school health programs equate them on par with many illegal drugs.
Frankly I'd rather have my kids hooked on caffeine and nicotine than junk food, but I am def fine with them teaching no alcohol. (yes I drink, but unless I'm really careful I drink way too much, which leads to way too often, that's an easy spiral for most people to be dragged into)

 

[Angela]

Frankly I'd rather have my kids hooked on caffeine and nicotine than junk food, but I am def fine with them teaching no alcohol. (yes I drink, but unless I'm really careful I drink way too much, which leads to way too often, that's an easy spiral for most people to be dragged into)

'Zero Tolerance' for any legal substance is a silly lesson to teach IMHO. Moderation of everything in life is a much more beneficial lesson
..... but I am also of the opinion that 'life' lessons are not something that should be taught in school.

 

[paladinx]

This country is one of extremes in every which way. And this is no different. First the country lets the tobacco industries run a muck and do whatever they want to do with 0 regulation. Now it will be anti tobacco completely, bob is right. What should have been done, is keep this country a free country let there be cigarettes and tobacco products, but they should have regulated the tobacco companies a long time ago. They could have at least limited some of the potential harms in the products, and gave people the proper knowledge way back. and also, i am sure that if it were regulated "justly", cigarettes would not be so damn addictive as they are now. There much more to these things than just tobacco and paper. They are engineered to hook.

 

[chad]

I see the anti-smoking movement morphing into the anti-tobacco movement which will soon become anti-nicotine, with the slogan: Not one more generation hooked on nicotine. It's coming. Watch for it.

You are a wise man. That's where this is headed. Hanging on the "green" movement is a "health" crowd. They've got their claws into all sorts of personal choices. As matter of fact, my work (private company) no longer subsidizes caffeinated beverages in vending machines (only juices now) since they're not the healthy choice. It was a change implemented along with removing all paper cups in favor of reusable ceramic mugs (don't get me started about the trade-offs there).

Granted, I'm in California where we grow cutting edge dictators of the right personal choices, but certainly sunny CA is a bellwether of where things are probably going.

 

[Webby]

Why are flavored cigars and wraps not banned?
I can go to the quickie mart right now and get grape cigars.

Nestran,

According to most of my resellers, they have to get the flavored cigars and cigarillos off the shelf in September. Not sure of the exact date, but they all say they aren't ordering any more from their suppliers

...of course, in the next breath they ask if I am going to carry "chocolate" and "coffee" e-juice... to be honest, I sell a TON more base liquid than flavored liquid or carts anyway.

 

[cloudsurfer45]

This is my first post on this forum, and i agree with all of you im thankful im not the only one upset about the FDA thing. I wrote to my senator about that very issue just yesterday when I get a response back I will post it here. I didn't even think about the alcohol argument but its a really good one.