Another Doctor Buys In

[telsie]

I noticed one comment on that article mentioned some kids toys that use scented fog juice (which of course is basically what we're inhaling, less the nic). I did a search and was amused to find two such products:

Amazon.com: Wizard Stick: Toys & Games

Amazon.com: Zero Fog Blaster - Silver Blaster w/Fluid: Electronics

I wonder if those TOYS are FDA approved?!!!!!

 

[Stephaniems]

I'm suprised more people havent made comments.

 

[PaulB]

Awaiting moderation:

Dr. Gupta would serve a trusting audience better by looking more closely at the e-cigarette. Instead, he takes the approach of presuming the dangerousness of a substance emitted into the air in a way I'm sure he would not if it were, for example, food boiling on the stove. We are talking about a product that is showing every sign of being the best hope ever for those trying to give up cigarette smoking, a product that has proven effective even on multi-decade heavy smokers, including many who bought their e-cigarette with the mere goal of saving money by cutting down on smoking–and ended up surprising themselves by quitting entirely. Numerous e-cigarette users report dramatic improvements in their well-being as ex-smokers. Like nicotine gum and inhaler users, they are still using nicotine, but in a way that shows every sign of reducing enormously the harmfulness of smoking. The chilling effect of such a high-profile dismissal of the electronic cigarette could have tragic consequences for many.

 

[bassnut]

The rest of yesterday's comments along with today's are posted.
A few more "naysayers" chiming in.

Corbijn June 3rd, 2010 23:42 ET

E-cigarette's are just another fad created by the tobacco industry. Just like every other fad they have created, you are still doing the same thing, smoking. That in itself isn't healthy, period. They haven't been proven to be safe. Besides, the tobacco industry has a great history of disseminating information and lying when it comes to thier products. I think in the long run e-cigarettes are going to be shown to be worse that just smoking because you bypass the smoking part and inhale "pure" whatever they put in e-cigarettes. I just can't believe that people can be so naive to thing the tobacco industry has finally come up with something "safe". Were these people born yesterday?

These people aren't even reading our comments. They're just reacting. They can't hear us. I hope the message is getting out to others who might actually be seeking answers.

BTW.
From Wikipedia:

On January 6, 2009, CNN announced that Gupta had been offered the position of Surgeon General by President Barack Obama.[13]

Some doctors said that his communication skills and high profile would allow him to highlight medical issues and prioritize medical reform. However, others raised concerns about potential conflicts of interest with drug companies who have sponsored his broadcasts and his lack of skepticism in weighing the costs and benefits of medical treatments.

 

[Kate51]

I just pasted the sidestream report on page 21 30 October 2008 Ruyan testing. They may not ok it, I left that url in.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Method. Analysis of published data on nicotine absorption, and informal comments of
bystanders, and observation of e-cigarette smoking indoors.
Results. Cigarette smoke is a mixture of sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream
smoke. In constrast, the e-cigarette generates no sidestream smoke from its (artificially
lit) tip. Any exhaled PG mist visibly dissipates to vapor within seconds. Non-smoking
bystanders do not find the mist unpleasant. The mist is odorless, and those close by
quickly realize it does not have the odor of smoke or the irritating quality of tobacco
cigarette smoke.
Comments. Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed 6, and so the
exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains
almost no nicotine; and no CO. (see Figure 3.5) Lacking any active ingredient or any
gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or ‘smoke’ is not harmful to bystanders.
The ‘smoke’ or mist is not tobacco smoke, and not from combustion – no flame is lit –
and is not defined as environmental tobacco smoke. E-cigarette “smoking” would be
permitted under New Zealand’s Smoke-free Environments Act 1990.33
32 Analytical Murray Laugesen
Health New Zealand Ltd
Christchurch, New Zealand.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz
30 October 2008
I have been smoke-free for a year and 4 months, and am feeling top0the-world!

Also, Dr. Gupta is world renowned, and would be a terrific advocate for e-cigs if he was so moved to be. But we do need some complete testing of mainstream (exhaled) mist for chemical analysis.
Thanks for the post, ezmoose!

 

[bassnut]

I wonder if we should "recommend" this article for, if nothing else, than to highlight the controversy. Do people read the comments?
Any thoughts?

 

[Kate51]

bassnut, I think most of these columns are rife with the "do gooders" who come out saying everything's bad, just because they are so qualified to be soooooo critical! Yes, they know it all, just ask them. Probably never have even seen an e-cig let alone used one, or have done any research whatsoever.
So I think recommending them is a good idea, regardless of the nay-sayers, people know bunk from book when they see it. That's what makes the world go round.
I do read them, Kristin answers them, I have kind of given up on that, I just haven't had a lot of good computer time the last few months.
I recommend answering those you'd like to "enlighten"!

 

[PaulB]

I noticed my contribution (posted above) hasn't passed moderation. I also notice quite an assemblage of anti-smokers have slithered in since I last looked.

 

[ezmoose]

I just pasted the sidestream report on page 21 30 October 2008 Ruyan testing. They may not ok it, I left that url in.


Also, Dr. Gupta is world renowned, and would be a terrific advocate for e-cigs if he was so moved to be. But we do need some complete testing of mainstream (exhaled) mist for chemical analysis.
Thanks for the post, ezmoose!

Indeed, complete analysis by a reputable (unbiased) research facility is in order; perhaps that would render null and void any arguments that "second hand vapor" is a health risk? However, even if it is proved “second hand vapor” is harmless, there will remain alarmists, whom for whatever reason, filter out information that conflicts with their preconceived, baseless notions. Otherwise known as whiners!

You’re welcome!

 

[bassnut]

No new comments since about 12:43 P.M ET.

More are being posted now.

 

[Kate51]

My post got in with the NZ testing, great! Hope it gets read.
A LOT more posters, many many very good comments.

 

[kristin]

Unfortunately, a lot of people obviously AREN'T reading our comments. All of the "you smokers" and "the FDA" and such cvomments show that.

I posted two more comments, but I need to stop - my blood pressure is rising!!

@Corbijn "E-cigarette's are just another fad created by the tobacco industry. Just like every other fad they have created, you are still doing the same thing, smoking. That in itself isn't healthy, period. They haven't been proven to be safe. Besides, the tobacco industry has a great history of disseminating information and lying when it comes to thier products. I think in the long run e-cigarettes are going to be shown to be worse that just smoking because you bypass the smoking part and inhale "pure" whatever they put in e-cigarettes. I just can't believe that people can be so naive to thing the tobacco industry has finally come up with something "safe". Were these people born yesterday?"
Did you even read the comments? Ecigs are NOT made by tobacco companies. And your comment about them being worse just shows you've bought into the lies being told to you about smoking by the "public health" groups. The BAD part of cigarettes is the SMOKE. By bypassing the "smoking part," ecigarettes take away 99% of the danger! All that is left is the nicotine – which people apparently have no problem with as long as it's in a gum or a patch??

If they are a fad, they are a long lasting one – 6 years now and the market is growing. You can't keep the obvious truth hidden forever – ecigarettes will SAVE LIVES and smokers are figuring it out!

@Kelly "Just inhale oxygen through a straw cut the length of a cigarette!

It's cheaper and healthier. And for the person smoking an e-cigarette for over a year, you have officially now become addicted to your e-cigarette.

Why don't you just put it down and find a new habit to focus on????"

So what? If it's not hurting him or anyone around him, what is the problem? What do you care what habit someone has? How is it hurting YOU?

Are you going to tell coffee and soda drinkers to just drink water? There are millions of people addicted to caffeine and no one has a problem with it.

The only reason people have a problem with nicotine is because it made people SMOKE and SMOKING is deadly. Without the smoke, why do you even care who uses it?

And "oxygen through a straw" doesn't help the people who need nicotine for more than the hand-mouth movement.

@JG "Seriously...what is wrong with you people?

So please, take your chances with your E-cigarettes...more food and water for me later."

You have it backwards – more of us will LIVE. Sorry to burst your bubble.

@ashamed "Wow, looks like someone has stirred up the hornets nest! I find it quite amusing that 99% of the people responding to Dr. Gupta's article are die hard smokers who have nowhere left to turn but the e-.... and are now whipped up into a feverish lather over the smallest protest against their holy savior. The second thing I find amusing is the total lack or inability to spell or use proper english (your instead of you're). I think there must be a direct link between smokers and lack of human intellect. Seriously, why would you voluntarily dump thousands of known poisons into your body while at the same time slowly killing the people you love who have to live in your second hand filth. If you can't even show the mental capacity to realize this than please have the decency to kill yourself in private and leave the people who choose to live away from your disgusting addiction."

Are you kidding me? We don't smoke anymore. Ecigarettes eliminate the "thousands of known poisons" and second-hand smoke.

And your comment on intelligence has just shown your own lack thereof.

All of the grammar nazis have no better argument than to attack the writing. How about sticking to the actual topic?

@nonsmoker "You've quit smoking cigarettes, but replaced them with e-cigs. Basically, you traded one crutch for another."
So what? I don't see you debasing people who use caffeine every day. A lot of people have "crutches."

Some use caffeine, some use pills like Zoloft (which can be addictive), some eat Ben & Jerry's, some use illegal drugs, some beat their wives. (NOT condoning, just saying there are worse "crutches.")

In the larger scheme of things, what harm does nicotine use do, if it's not hurting anyone?

People use nicotine for different reasons. For some, it's a pick-me-up. For some, it calms their nerves. For some, it diverts from other bad habits, like over-eating. For some, it helps with mild depression. For some, it helps them concentrate better. For some, it simply keeps their hands busy.

Until now, the only effective way to do all of those things with nicotine was to expose yourself to deadly tobacco smoke. Now there is a way to do it without the smoke.

Again I ask – IF IT"S NOT HURTING ANYONE, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??

 

[o4_srt]

comented, paraphrasing, spun the secondhand vapor complaint around and substituted driving, asking them to respect me right to clean air by not driving past me while i am on the sidewak, just to pointout how intolerant and ridiculous it is, then went on to preach tolerance of others when living and working in populated areas, then concluded with a statement asking people to not condemn people who are trying to better their health and lives, even if they don't agree on the method used

 

[o4_srt]

lol malia's post criticizing grammar and spelling specifically cites your vs you're, which she then uses incorrectly two lines down.....hilarious

 

[lulubell360]

The comments sure have gotten heated since I first posted. Let me say the reason I read everyghing I can on e-cigs is because I want to learn as much about them as I can. You have to ask yourself why are people who obviously have NO interest in them making these comments in the 1st place? Maybe they just cruise articles on whatever topic happens to be hot in order to perpetrate negativity & goad people into verbal arguments. If you ask me, they need to get a life. Don't let them get to you Kristin. Keep up the good fight.
Michele

 

[bassnut]

The comments sure have gotten heated since I first posted. Let me say the reason I read everyghing I can on e-cigs is because I want to learn as much about them as I can. You have to ask yourself why are people who obviously have NO interest in them making these comments in the 1st place? Maybe they just cruise articles on whatever topic happens to be hot in order to perpetrate negativity & goad people into verbal arguments. If you ask me, they need to get a life. Don't let them get to you Kristin. Keep up the good fight.
Michele

You're getting to the crux of the problem.
Since I started vaping I notice people smoking everywhere and it makes me feel sad. That was me two months ago.
The No-Smoke people don't care about smokers. No compassion. None. It's all about them which I can sort of understand. We smokers/vapors are pariah. They see no distinction. It's bigotry in it's purest form. They literally want us to quit or die. No snuz, no snuff, no gum, no patches. Just die already! One commenter came out and said almost exactly that.
I don't believe they are all like that. Not by a long shot but the ones who challenge us with ignorant and angry comments are some of the most militant. These are the people I was describing.
I hope we've managed to influence some of our more open minded detractors by posting our comments.
It's good to keep these people in mind when commenting rather than fly into an angry vindictive tirade at the buttheads that challenge us without reading our comments who have no interest in facts. They have an agenda which has absolutely nothing to do with our health and well being.

 

[reverendg]

Well my doctor has said in no uncertain terms that my lungs are sounding better and better since I've stopped smoking. He has even gone so far as accepting business cards from the supplier that I got my 510 from in order to give them to his other patients who have had a difficult time quitting.

I won't mention his name out of respect for his privacy, but I am due for an appointment soon ,and I plan on talking to him about joining casaa.

smoker of 35 years, diagnosed with c.o.p.d. emphysema, asthma and hasn't had a single wheeze or smoking related cough in months.

 

[Max0819]

We haven't all forgotten about this stuff that is constantly in the news have we? Just what is being done about this? I mean, if we are going to get rid of something, lets stop likely the single largest cause of strife across the globe. Death, destruction, poisoning of land, the list just grows and grows.

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.

• contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
• may cause severe burns if handled improperly.
• can be fatal if inhaled.
• contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
• accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
• may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
• has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

• as an industrial solvent and coolant.
• in nuclear power plants.
• in the production of Styrofoam.
• as a fire ......ant.
• in many forms of cruel animal research.
• in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
• as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
• has been found in differing quantities in ALL soft drink production.
• farmers routinely spray it on their crops to induce higher yield.
• ranchers have been known to utilize it in great quantities to pack pounds on their herds.

I mean, whats in a name.

Max
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[ezmoose]

Given his deep financial ties with pharmaceutical barons (disclosed when he was a prospective Surgeon General for the Obama Administration), it becomes readily apparent what is driving Dr. Gupta's “expert” opinion of E Cigarettes.

If you haven’t seen the video review he did on E Cigarettes, or want to watch it again, here’s a link:

CNN Health.com – Dr. Sanjay Gupta?s E Cig Story Blunders

 

[ezmoose]

Paging Dr. Pharma, oops, Gupta!