Another new study...links vaping to lung disease

[AttyPops]

Vaping linked with long-term risk of respiratory disease in new study - CNN

said Stanton Glantz, senior author of the study

^^^ I'll take this one with a grain of salt.

Meanwhile there's this:
Health effects in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes: a retrospective-prospective 3-year follow-up

 

[zoiDman]

Vaping linked with long-term risk of respiratory disease in new study - CNN

^^^ I'll take this one with a grain of salt.

Meanwhile there's this:
Health effects in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes: a retrospective-prospective 3-year follow-up

I Stopped reading as soon as I saw the Slantz was involved.

 

[Iron Molly]

Vaping linked with long-term risk of respiratory disease in new study - CNN

^^^ I'll take this one with a grain of salt.

Meanwhile there's this:
Health effects in COPD smokers who switch to electronic cigarettes: a retrospective-prospective 3-year follow-up

I think I'll take it with the entire shaker! The results can't be correctly interpreted without seeing the actual study. I would hazard a guess that most vapers are also former smokers. That muddies the waters considerably. Also, to put it in a more positive light, people who only vape have cut their risk substantially compared to smoking (if this study is at all accurate). I would also hazard a guess that dual users are those who are trying desperately to get off analogs and not quite making it, possibly due to adverse health effects from smoking. And since when is 3 years long-term?

 

[WorksForMe]

It'll be interesting see what Dr. Farsalinos has to say about this study.

 

[StormFinch]

Not a study, an analysis of PATH data. Here's a link to it: Sci-Hub | | 10.1016/j.amepre.2019.07.028

And here are Clive Bate's comments on it when it was still a conference abstract. He stood by them today via Twitter:
Vaping risk compared to smoking: challenging a false and dangerous claim by Professor Stanton Glantz

 

[CarolT]

Tobacco Control's Giant Tuskegee Experiment - suppressing research, to blame smoking for COPD caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV) Cytomegalovirus Is Implicated in COPD

NHANES: 23% of COPD patients are never smokers Airway obstruction in never smokers: results from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. - PubMed - NCBI because CMV is so common, not due to whiff of ETS

As less wealthy people, smokers are more likely to have CMV infection, causing confounding CMV and Social Class

 

[Koolkiz]

Remember bias in these studies. Anyone remember Ancel Benjamin Keys who skewed his hypothesis to create the low fat myth? The anti vaping people want to influence by creating skewed "studies" to promote a fear of vaping.
I have been vaping 10 years. I started out with chronic bronchitis. I have no problems after finding my balance with vaping.

 

[Jingles]

It'll be interesting see what Dr. Farsalinos has to say about this study.

I saw on Facebook today that Dr. Farsalinos said it was so bad it wasn't even worth commenting on!

 

[StormFinch]

Dr. Siegel did take the time to blog about it: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: Vapers Beware: New Study Does NOT Show that E-Cigarettes Cause Chronic Lung Disease

 

[zoiDman]

I saw on Facebook today that Dr. Farsalinos said it was so bad it wasn't even worth commenting on!

Yeah... This is by far a New Low. Even for Slantz.

At some point, the University of California Board of Regents needs to step in. And attempt to repair the Tarnish that is being done to UCSF.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah... This is by far a New Low. Even for Slantz.

Lower than than Helena study?

At some point, the University of California Board of Regents needs to step in. And attempt to repair the Tarnish that is being done to UCSF.

Will they even notice the tarnish if the "science" corroborates their own pre-conceived notions and bias?

 

[WorksForMe]

Lower than than Helena study?


Will they even notice the tarnish if the "science" corroborates their own pre-conceived notions and bias?

And he brings in a lot of grant money.

What was the Helena study?

 

[Rossum]

What was the Helena study?

It's discussed at some length in the middle of this article:
Stanton Glantz – Expert, or Extremist? | Vaping Post

Also here:
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: Helena Miracle? Not So Much; New Study Casts Doubt on Conclusions of Anti-Smoking Groups

 

[zoiDman]

Lower than than Helena study?


Will they even notice the tarnish if the "science" corroborates their own pre-conceived notions and bias?

The Problem is that the California UC system does some Cutting-Edge Medical Research. And attracting the Best and the Brightest, as well as Ginormous Funding Grants, is somewhat contingent on doing "Good Science".

Slantz is an Affront to even Mediocre Science. And his Professional Conduct has become an Embarrassment to not only his Department. But to UCSF in general.