Answer: How long a new 510 battery lasts

[Parmacrafter]

Ok folks, I'm gonna try to be as complete as possible here. Lots of folks have asked how long a 510 battery should last. Well, today I really gave them the test. I brought out 2 brand new genuine Joye 510 manual batteries from HealthCabin. I used a home brew of 50% unflavored 48mg nic juice from Nhaler mixed with 40% Coffee flavor from Bickford and 10% VG for this entire test.

1st Battery: This battery was charged per instructions. * hour initial charge. Vaped for 20 minutes then charged an extra hour. This battery lasted 2 hours and 54 minutes. This included vaping exactly 55 times at 5 seconds per draw. So if it were possible to vape it straight through that rounds out to 4.5 solid minutes of use before the flashing light says to charge it.

2nd Battery: This battery I only charged for one hour. just until the charger light turned green. This is something that has ben discussed before about the ion batteries. It is said that unlike nickle batteries these have no memory and DO NOT need an 8 hour initial charge. Anyway, so this one charged for 1 hour. Again I started the timer and went about my vaping day. In this case I got 59 vapes at 5 seconds each. This took me 3 hours and 10 minutes.

Just for comparison sake I also tried the exact same routine with a set of Genuine Joye 510 Auto bateries from electronixstic.

1st battery: this battery lasted 83 vapes at 3 seconds each (this is the cutoff on the auto batteries). This took me just under 4 hours. You must keep in mind that although this seems to last much longer than the manual batteries, it is an illusion. Since you are limited to 3 seconds per draw instead of the 5 second draws I was taking on the manual batteries it stands to reason that you will get more draws. In reality it boils down to 4.25 minutes of constant vaping without a break. I found the manual batteries actually lasted just a tiny bit longer. I also find that the longer draw keeps me from having to take another drag as soon. I did the exact same charging proceedure with these batteries as I did with the first set. One was charged 8 hours and then another hour after 20 minutes of use. The second batery was charged only 1 hour and then used right away with no top off charge.

2nd battery: this one only had the 1 hour charge. I got 85 vapes at 3 seconds each. This took just about 4 hours. I really find no difference in the way I charged the batteries and the amount I was able to use them.

In conclusion..... I really prefer the manual batteries. I also prefer only charging my new batteries for 1 hour (or until the charging light turns green). I spent 2 days running these tests just to see what would happen. So far I see no reason to charge new batteries for 8 hours. I also see no reason to buy auto batteries trying for a longer lasting battery. I got much better vapor from the manual batteries and I used less juice with the manual batteries. I used a total of 24 drops in my manual battery test for the 3 hours. I used a total of 36 drops in the auto battery test. This was the total for one battery only. Not for both batteries.

So for those who wanted an honest tests of how long the batteries last, there you go. Happy Vaping All!!!

 

[HighTech]

Ok folks, I'm gonna try to be as complete as possible here. Lots of folks have asked how long a 510 battery should last. Well, today I really gave them the test. I brought out 2 brand new genuine Joye 510 manual batteries from HealthCabin. I used a home brew of 50% unflavored 48mg nic juice from Nhaler mixed with 40% Coffee flavor from Bickford and 10% VG for this entire test.

1st Battery: This battery was charged per instructions. * hour initial charge. Vaped for 20 minutes then charged an extra hour. This battery lasted 2 hours and 54 minutes. This included vaping exactly 55 times at 5 seconds per draw. So if it were possible to vape it straight through that rounds out to 4.5 solid minutes of use before the flashing light says to charge it.

2nd Battery: This battery I only charged for one hour. just until the charger light turned green. This is something that has ben discussed before about the ion batteries. It is said that unlike nickle batteries these have no memory and DO NOT need an 8 hour initial charge. Anyway, so this one charged for 1 hour. Again I started the timer and went about my vaping day. In this case I got 59 vapes at 5 seconds each. This took me 3 hours and 10 minutes.

Just for comparison sake I also tried the exact same routine with a set of Genuine Joye 510 Auto bateries from electronixstic.

1st battery: this battery lasted 83 vapes at 3 seconds each (this is the cutoff on the auto batteries). This took me just under 4 hours. You must keep in mind that although this seems to last much longer than the manual batteries, it is an illusion. Since you are limited to 3 seconds per draw instead of the 5 second draws I was taking on the manual batteries it stands to reason that you will get more draws. In reality it boils down to 4.25 minutes of constant vaping without a break. I found the manual batteries actually lasted just a tiny bit longer. I also find that the longer draw keeps me from having to take another drag as soon. I did the exact same charging proceedure with these batteries as I did with the first set. One was charged 8 hours and then another hour after 20 minutes of use. The second batery was charged only 1 hour and then used right away with no top off charge.

2nd battery: this one only had the 1 hour charge. I got 85 vapes at 3 seconds each. This took just about 4 hours. I really find no difference in the way I charged the batteries and the amount I was able to use them.

In conclusion..... I really prefer the manual batteries. I also prefer only charging my new batteries for 1 hour (or until the charging light turns green). I spent 2 days running these tests just to see what would happen. So far I see no reason to charge new batteries for 8 hours. I also see no reason to buy auto batteries trying for a longer lasting battery. I got much better vapor from the manual batteries and I used less juice with the manual batteries. I used a total of 24 drops in my manual battery test for the 3 hours. I used a total of 36 drops in the auto battery test. This was the total for one battery only. Not for both batteries.

So for those who wanted an honest tests of how long the batteries last, there you go. Happy Vaping All!!!

Thanks for the test information. Just got a new set of 510 manual batteries in, and have already gone through the 8 hr initial, 20 mins vaping and 1 hr topoff. Maybe I won't do that for the second battery. Infact, when I initially put the first battery on the charger, the LED went green within 10 mins or so, so it was probably mostly charged, but I followed directions and went through the 8 hr ordeal.

BTW, I read somewhere that these are probably not Lithium Ion but instead Lithium Polymer batteries. Not sure what the diff in charging the two types would be. This whole procedure of 8hr/20min/1hr would seem to lend itself to a battey with a memory, which true lithium ions do not have. Thanks again for the info...

 

[Kent C]

Just for comparison sake I also tried the exact same routine with a set of Genuine Joye 510 Auto bateries from electronixstic.

1st battery: this battery lasted 83 vapes at 3 seconds each (this is the cutoff on the auto batteries). This took me just under 4 hours. You must keep in mind that although this seems to last much longer than the manual batteries, it is an illusion. Since you are limited to 3 seconds per draw instead of the 5 second draws I was taking on the manual batteries it stands to reason that you will get more draws. In reality it boils down to 4.25 minutes of constant vaping without a break. I found the manual batteries actually lasted just a tiny bit longer. I also find that the longer draw keeps me from having to take another drag as soon.

Thanks! The results reflect my own experience if one is not in a power vaping mode which would effect the manual of course, and a mode which is simply impossible with the auto. This, above, is something I pointed out on another thread plus the fact that there is some 'downtime' after the auto goes into cutoff where you can start up again. Some people seem to forget or ignore this aspect when making calculations.

 

[ProtoType]

Your testing method was very scientific as you used controls (sort of) and took into the calculations correctly regarding the auto battery. Very well done and I should think your testing ought to put this whole charging debate to end.

 

[Overlord]

Lithium Polymer batteries are very similar to Lithium Ion. Maintenance is similar as they don't have a memory and prefer to be kept fully charged. Polymer batteries were designed to allow for a more smaller packaging and slim design. Something which ion batteries were having issues doing.

One thing they don't like is to be fully discharged or get too low of a charge. This goes for both. Now what i'm pondering is whether the cig batteries cut off in a proper time frame to prevent the batteries from getting too low. This might play into why many people ask why their batteries seem to loose performance so quickly.

I'm wondering if not letting them get to the point of them blinking to indicate they're discharged might help maintain solid battery life.

 

[gatsby]

Lithium Polymer batteries are very similar to Lithium Ion. Maintenance is similar as they don't have a memory and prefer to be kept fully charged. Polymer batteries were designed to allow for a more smaller packaging and slim design. Something which ion batteries were having issues doing.

One thing they don't like is to be fully discharged or get too low of a charge. This goes for both. Now what i'm pondering is whether the cig batteries cut off in a proper time frame to prevent the batteries from getting too low. This might play into why many people ask why their batteries seem to loose performance so quickly.

I'm wondering if not letting them get to the point of them blinking to indicate they're discharged might help maintain solid battery life.

They are protected so they won't let themselves get too low and I think at least the newer styles cut them selves off with plenty to spare. I did a puff count a while ago with the major batteries at the time and the 401 and 510 blink and then stop cold while the 801s and 4081s (at the time at least) would continue to let you take a few puffs afterward until they got pretty wispy. Although you certainly aren't losing anything by stopping once the vapor starts to get lame. Those last hits are pretty disappointing anyway.

 

[Overlord]

They are protected so they won't let themselves get too low and I think at least the newer styles cut them selves off with plenty to spare. I did a puff count a while ago with the major batteries at the time and the 401 and 510 blink and then stop cold while the 801s and 4081s (at the time at least) would continue to let you take a few puffs afterward until they got pretty wispy. Although you certainly aren't losing anything by stopping once the vapor starts to get lame. Those last hits are pretty disappointing anyway.

Thats my point. I'm wondering if the manufactures use protected batteries with lower than recommended cut offs.

I dunno, just a thought

 

[gatsby]

Thats my point. I'm wondering if the manufactures use protected batteries with lower than recommended cut offs.

I dunno, just a thought

Like I said, I don't know for certain but the way the 510s and 401s (J108s too) cut off I would guess at least those do. They blink and then maybe a puff and done and since the others I mentioned will let you puff at them after the blink until they really don't work it seems to me that might be the case, but what I am posting is all I know.

 

[trog100]

more batteries questions.. more battery wonderings... he he

normal e cig batteries wont last (live) long for one simple reason.. the desire of the chinese to make cigarette sized e smoking devices for a market that wants ciggarette sized e smoking deices means one simple thing..

the batteries that have to be used are not big enough for the job some users expect them to do..

a truck needs a truck battery.. e cig trucks are fitted with mini car batteries..

a truck battery wont fit in the little cig sized tube..

i have fully explained some simple e cig battery facts four or five times in the last week.. its a waste of time.. facts dont seem to be what folks want on this place.. misinformation and waffle is far more entertaining..

trog

 

[kinabaloo]

60 x 5 second puffs, 30 drops, 1.5ml per charge (half a day) for a 'mini' sounds about right to me.

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[olderthandirt]

more batteries questions.. more battery wonderings... he he...i have fully explained some simple e cig battery facts four or five times in the last week.. its a waste of time.. facts dont seem to be what folks want on this place.. misinformation and waffle is far more entertaining..

trog

trog, I respectfully disagree, in part at least. It's not so much they don't want facts as they don't want to use the Search function....

Course if they do use the search function they get the misinformation and... ...................................

nevermind 8-o

 

[trog100]

trog, I respectfully disagree, in part at least. It's not so much they don't want facts as they don't want to use the Search function....

Course if they do use the search function they get the misinformation and... ...................................

nevermind 8-o

nah older the real problem is those that do know.. soon get fed up with being contradicted by those that dont know and stop bothering..

the search function as you say aint much use.. its just brings up tons more misinformation.. most of the "answers" come from all this misinformation so round and round it all goes.. he he..

trog

 

[wv2win]

nah older the real problem is those that do know.. soon get fed up with being contradicted by those that dont know and stop bothering..

trog

Very well put, trog. There are those on this forum that for some reason want to put forth the fantasy that devices like the RN4081, etc perform just as well as your Screwdriver or the Prodigy or GG, etc when we know that is just plain BS. All it does is confuse and frustrate new members who don't have the experience to understand the facts about battery size and performance.

 

[Fisherman]

I found the post to be of interest - each to their own

 

[Jim Davis]

The bottom line is how its used. E-cigs are like pain pills. Some take them as needed, and others down them like Skiddles. Requirements are different.

 

[trog100]

I found the post to be of interest - each to their own

its a pretty good one as battery posts go.. but it will sooner get lost amongst the misinformation like all pretty good posts do.. 28000 odd posts and folks still dont seem to have learned some simple facts about batteries must mean something..

we have lost some of the old myths.. like having to first charge the battery for 16 hours.. having to fully run them down else they will develop a memory..

so i suppose we are making some progress.. he he

trog

 

[Ez Duzit]

The bottom line is how its used. E-cigs are like pain pills. Some take them as needed, and others down them like Skiddles. Requirements are different.

Skittles......yummy. om nom nom nom.

 

[Jim Davis]

Lithium Polymer batteries are very similar to Lithium Ion. Maintenance is similar as they don't have a memory and prefer to be kept fully charged. Polymer batteries were designed to allow for a more smaller packaging and slim design. Something which ion batteries were having issues doing.

One thing they don't like is to be fully discharged or get too low of a charge. This goes for both. Now what i'm pondering is whether the cig batteries cut off in a proper time frame to prevent the batteries from getting too low. This might play into why many people ask why their batteries seem to loose performance so quickly.

I'm wondering if not letting them get to the point of them blinking to indicate they're discharged might help maintain solid battery life.

In this case he was referring to the 3 second cutoff. The mfgrs added a 3 second cutoff to avoid overheating the atomizer. A good thought on their part, but it's a pain in the .... sometimes.

 

[doots]

510 batteries are horrible. Thats why i went with mods. save your bucks and go with larger batteries that are cheap and last forever

 

[chief druid]

skittles all the way !!!!!!! .... my 4 dura batteries are 6 months old and virtually on their last legs .... trying to decide what to do ... do i hold out till my supplier (senior toby) gets the bigger 510 batteries even though they wont fit in my altoids tin .... hmmmm