Anti-Depressants and Vaping...What have you experienced?
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You do realize, of course, that this isn't always the case
Tell the diabetic that their insulin is nothing but a placebo conspiricy plot in order to benefit big pharma and they'll lose a foot due to PAD and gangrene.
It's no different in this case. Some people benefit greatly from pharmacological interventions. No need to tell someone that they don't need it, only the individual knows what they need.
I don't have depression, but I am very familiar with it, as many of my family members suffer from it.
Some days I feel like if I can quit smoking, I can do anything! And some days I feel like I have turned my back on a "friend" that has supported me without judgement for 20 years. Once I did the math and realized I have smoked at least 100,000 cigarettes in my lifetime, I knew that I had to quit. And that was going to be really, really hard. Do whatever you need to do with your medicine and health, as you know best.
You might consider trying some brief moments of quiet thought or meditation to work on your focus. You don't need chanting or prayer mats or candles or silence. Just close your eyes for five minutes and try think about one thing at a time. Set a timer if it helps you stay focused. Make a list of reasons you quit smoking and read it over and over if your mind keeps wandering. Read it out loud if it helps. We used to spend a lot of time smoking, and now we need to fill it with something else.
Some days I feel like if I can quit smoking, I can do anything! And some days I feel like I have turned my back on a "friend" that has supported me without judgement for 20 years. Once I did the math and realized I have smoked at least 100,000 cigarettes in my lifetime, I knew that I had to quit. And that was going to be really, really hard. Do whatever you need to do with your medicine and health, as you know best.
You might consider trying some brief moments of quiet thought or meditation to work on your focus. You don't need chanting or prayer mats or candles or silence. Just close your eyes for five minutes and try think about one thing at a time. Set a timer if it helps you stay focused. Make a list of reasons you quit smoking and read it over and over if your mind keeps wandering. Read it out loud if it helps. We used to spend a lot of time smoking, and now we need to fill it with something else.
Hi Jespeak,
It's been mentioned, but I will reiterate, your symptoms are common when quitting smoking. The lack of focus especially. You didn't mention what nic level you are using, however I did find I needed a higher level of nic initially. I think I started on 24 mg and eventually dropped to 6mg. Of course how much you use is just as important as the level. Initially I vaped less, but used a higher level, later I vaped more but I reduced the nic to balance things.
However, and this is important, too much of a good thing can have the opposite effect. I find if I over do it I can end up lethargic and need more sleep. I can tell if it's too much nic cause if I take a nap I will have totally strange dreams that I remember very clearly. I think there are other symptoms as well, headache, feeling spacey, nausea, heart palpatations etc. Oh and sweating or hot flashes. You might do a search on that here at the forums and see what others have experienced.
The point is, finding the right level is hit and miss, but you need to listen to your body and make adjustments till you find what's right.
Also, not related to the nic, I and a few others found using PG as their base contributed to feeling more tired as well. I switched to VG and felt much better.
It's been mentioned, but I will reiterate, your symptoms are common when quitting smoking. The lack of focus especially. You didn't mention what nic level you are using, however I did find I needed a higher level of nic initially. I think I started on 24 mg and eventually dropped to 6mg. Of course how much you use is just as important as the level. Initially I vaped less, but used a higher level, later I vaped more but I reduced the nic to balance things.
However, and this is important, too much of a good thing can have the opposite effect. I find if I over do it I can end up lethargic and need more sleep. I can tell if it's too much nic cause if I take a nap I will have totally strange dreams that I remember very clearly. I think there are other symptoms as well, headache, feeling spacey, nausea, heart palpatations etc. Oh and sweating or hot flashes. You might do a search on that here at the forums and see what others have experienced.
The point is, finding the right level is hit and miss, but you need to listen to your body and make adjustments till you find what's right.
Also, not related to the nic, I and a few others found using PG as their base contributed to feeling more tired as well. I switched to VG and felt much better.
All I can add is that I smoked a pack a day and I started vaping 24mg and pretty much chain-vaped in the beginning. I looked like a baby with a pacifier! If I only vaped for 5-10 minutes very hour, I was Jonesing. Based on my experience I'd lean towards withdrawal symptoms from lack of nicotine. I just recently dropped my levels to 18mg and I can tell the difference, and this is after a year of vaping. What kind of hardware are you using and why the 2hr/day limit? If work or something else is limiting your vape time you should check out some threads on Stealth Vaping.
Sounds like your nicotine level is too low. I needed 24 to mitigate withdrawal. Very soon after I dropped to 18 and It's perfect for me.
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lol
You do realize, of course, that this isn't always the case
Tell the diabetic that their insulin is nothing but a placebo conspiricy plot in order to benefit big pharma and they'll lose a foot due to PAD and gangrene.
It's no different in this case. Some people benefit greatly from pharmacological interventions. No need to tell someone that they don't need it, only the individual knows what they need.
The cases you noted werent anything close to needing anti-depressants. Of course you should go to the doctor if your bleeding from your .... .. But thats the problem with healthcare now their funding the first dollar billed by the doctor. Why not the person pay ... 70.00-120.00 for the visit. People would stop going to the doctor for chapped lips, and save for doctor visits (YES, PEOPLE USED TO DO THIS even in my 26yr lifetime) free birth control ... free this, free that. Nothings free folks ... And the freebies are about to run out
My opinions are subjective, and I write them to give you something interesting to read instead of the usual jibber.
I have two experiences of people with active depression and vaping. One has had no problems at all, in fact the giving up smoking has appeared to have lifted their mood considerably. The other has struggled a little more with the change. From what I am reading I think your nicotine levels will have dropped in your system a lot with your change to vaping. Vaping 12mg, 2 hours a day will not be giving you the same amount or even close to your PAD habit. This will settle down within a few weeks or so if you remain the same on your vaping. Both of these are using 18mg and use about 2-3mls a day of liquid.
So here are my thoughts if you are ok with your nicotine levels of 12mg then carry on and maybe your Doctor needs to give you a little increase on your meds. Or if you are not happy with the meds increase then try vaping a little more often at 12mg or increase your nicotine to 18mg and see if that helps.
Whatever you decide give yourself a huge pat on the back for giving up the analogues.
So here are my thoughts if you are ok with your nicotine levels of 12mg then carry on and maybe your Doctor needs to give you a little increase on your meds. Or if you are not happy with the meds increase then try vaping a little more often at 12mg or increase your nicotine to 18mg and see if that helps.
Whatever you decide give yourself a huge pat on the back for giving up the analogues.
You may also be allergic to PG, so you may want to decrease the % of PG you use in your ejuice. PG affects me with lethargy and just an overall feeling of being tired all the time. Do this in conjunction with your doctor's advice, it could be a side effect of the meds you're taking.
Good luck!
Good luck!
I never thought nicotine was all that addictive with all the other drugs in cigarettes.
Has anyone thought that those added chemicals could be the real culprit when you stop smoking?
I use 24 and vape all different levels but I can honestly say I never had withdrawals when I use 0 nic.
As for allergies everyone suggest that PG is the culprit but without extensive testing you won't really determine that for yourself. I myself also believed from what I had read that it was so I got tested.
It was the withdrawal from the MAOI's and starting vaping! Not the pg as everyone claimed and had me believing plus I suffer from chronic fatigue and severe pain issues, fibro, had open heart surgery etc......
C.B.
Has anyone thought that those added chemicals could be the real culprit when you stop smoking?
I use 24 and vape all different levels but I can honestly say I never had withdrawals when I use 0 nic.
As for allergies everyone suggest that PG is the culprit but without extensive testing you won't really determine that for yourself. I myself also believed from what I had read that it was so I got tested.
It was the withdrawal from the MAOI's and starting vaping! Not the pg as everyone claimed and had me believing plus I suffer from chronic fatigue and severe pain issues, fibro, had open heart surgery etc......
C.B.
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I've been taking antidepressants for 12 years (my diagnosis is clinical depression). Currently on Venlafaxine.
Most of the people I know with depression smoked before they started vaping and had no issues.
All the best in the wonderful world of vaping!
Most of the people I know with depression smoked before they started vaping and had no issues.
All the best in the wonderful world of vaping!
Knock knock.
Hello jespeak - wuzzup?
How's it going? Did you talk with your doctor about this? You bettuh.
You could just be cycling in your depression. It's always hard for us to tell if our downs are
affected by external forces or chemicals in our uncooperative little brains.
I'm bipolar. When I quit analogs, I had no problem going into a depression. I started vaping
about three or four weeks after I quit analogs but was still on the gum. My mouth got tired
of chewing so I explored vaping.
Not too long after that, I went into a deep depression that I couldn't really feel emotionally,
but like you, I felt like I had no energy, which didn't matter cuz I had no desire to do anything
anyway. My depression followed a period of mania. I shoulda seen it comin', but sometimes
we don't know the signs because - well, maybe it was just a very good day or a very bad
one.
I too, am on Welbutrin. So far, that's where I've landed after 10 or 12 tries or more. I'm also
on quietiapine (sp) for the mania. That's new since my last episode.
I was very very tired because of the depression, and also because of the meds I was on at
that time - depakote. It makes me real tired.
I've written these things to answer your question about what happened to me after I quit
analogs and started vaping, not necessarily to tell you my story. However, my story shows
that you are not alone, and not the only one, and not so different, and definitely not weird
or what others might say.
So, I don't know if I just naturally cycled because my meds didn't work, or if it had anything
to do with quitting and vaping. I don't think it did. In fact, I consider vaping to be a new
interest in my life that I enjoy. All the flavors, all the toys and all the DIY possibilities give
me something to enjoy every day.
Again, did you go see your sawbones?
One more thing: Ignore any idiots who tell you to 'just cheer up' or give you stupid advice.
You know what this is, and I know what this is, and some others do, but most of them are
clueless (I mean moreso than normal when it comes to this)
Go see your doctor.
Hello jespeak - wuzzup?
How's it going? Did you talk with your doctor about this? You bettuh.
You could just be cycling in your depression. It's always hard for us to tell if our downs are
affected by external forces or chemicals in our uncooperative little brains.
I'm bipolar. When I quit analogs, I had no problem going into a depression. I started vaping
about three or four weeks after I quit analogs but was still on the gum. My mouth got tired
of chewing so I explored vaping.
Not too long after that, I went into a deep depression that I couldn't really feel emotionally,
but like you, I felt like I had no energy, which didn't matter cuz I had no desire to do anything
anyway. My depression followed a period of mania. I shoulda seen it comin', but sometimes
we don't know the signs because - well, maybe it was just a very good day or a very bad
one.
I too, am on Welbutrin. So far, that's where I've landed after 10 or 12 tries or more. I'm also
on quietiapine (sp) for the mania. That's new since my last episode.
I was very very tired because of the depression, and also because of the meds I was on at
that time - depakote. It makes me real tired.
I've written these things to answer your question about what happened to me after I quit
analogs and started vaping, not necessarily to tell you my story. However, my story shows
that you are not alone, and not the only one, and not so different, and definitely not weird
or what others might say.
So, I don't know if I just naturally cycled because my meds didn't work, or if it had anything
to do with quitting and vaping. I don't think it did. In fact, I consider vaping to be a new
interest in my life that I enjoy. All the flavors, all the toys and all the DIY possibilities give
me something to enjoy every day.
Again, did you go see your sawbones?
One more thing: Ignore any idiots who tell you to 'just cheer up' or give you stupid advice.
You know what this is, and I know what this is, and some others do, but most of them are
clueless (I mean moreso than normal when it comes to this)
Go see your doctor.
My friend and I started went off cigarettes on the same day. We bought our PVs together.
The most significant difference between the 2 of us is that he vapes about 3ml a day and I'm close to 8ml. I never understood why because he was the heavier analog smoker.
Now that I've read the symptoms thread, I believe it could be related to my SSRI.
I'm on 40mg of Prozac a day. I guess I'll have to talk to my doc about it.
The most significant difference between the 2 of us is that he vapes about 3ml a day and I'm close to 8ml. I never understood why because he was the heavier analog smoker.
Now that I've read the symptoms thread, I believe it could be related to my SSRI.
I'm on 40mg of Prozac a day. I guess I'll have to talk to my doc about it.
I don't have time right now to read that thread. Can you enlighten me as to what it said
about it being related to SSRI? Thanks.
Something alltogether different to consider are your hemoglobin levels. Smoking casues one to produce higher levels of hemoglobin. Stopping smoking can cause them to drop. Low levels of the hemoglobin counts can cause a whole host of symptoms and problems including those you have mentioned. Lethargy, fuzzy thinking and tiredness are among them. Getting worn out with very moderate levels of exertion is a good clue to low hemoglobin levels.
There is a question regarding nicotine consumption together with anti-depression medication. This is why there is a Contra-Indication note with some NRTs.
Please read this post, about halfway down is a para on 'Antidepressant medicines and e-cigarettes' that explains it further:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html#post51773
Action: consume WTAs and ensure your nicotine intake is carefully controlled; with your doctor about it; ensure your AD med is not of the that conflicts with nicotine consumption.
Please read this post, about halfway down is a para on 'Antidepressant medicines and e-cigarettes' that explains it further:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html#post51773
Action: consume WTAs and ensure your nicotine intake is carefully controlled; with your doctor about it; ensure your AD med is not of the that conflicts with nicotine consumption.
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