anti e-cig commercial

[cookiebun]

I was responding to a post, if that nauseates you I'm not sure why you would even quote my post unless it was out of anger and frustration and honestly that helps nobody.

I'm glad you have broke the addiction and create your own liquids, I have done the same in the past at 0% nic levels, but you are making a generalized statement that because you could quit, anyone can, and that's not really fair. I enjoy vaping and if I needed to mix my own liquids without nicotine I'd be ok with it, as I've done in the past. I've smoked analogs for 20 years and have quit numerous times, but I enjoy nicotine just as people enjoy caffeine.

I'm abiding by the forum rules and replying to posts I find interesting, I'm not sure why that is an issue.

Ad nauseam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You were the one saying it would be a good idea for the FDA to regulate liquid because you were concerned about "impurities'
You think the FDA will keep bad stuff out of your vape juice when they said it was ok to put CARPET GLUE in analogues?!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/213440-eva-what-you-should-know-about.html

You also mention you were concerned liquids weren't made in labs and who knows what's in them:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...422080-anti-e-cig-commercial.html#post9636320
The FDA and those folks in labs were really on the ball when they let this happen:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/health/20heparin.html
My point is, I know EXACTLY what's in mine and I feel far safer with my vape liquid than I do with many medications I buy at a pharmacy. I've know idea where that crap came from

If you'd spent a little time reading a few of the stickies here:
DIY E-Liquid
you probably wouldn't have said this:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2080-anti-e-cig-commercial-2.html#post9636789

 

[ScottP]

Ad nauseam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You were the one saying it would be a good idea for the FDA to regulate liquid because you were concerned about "impurities'
You think the FDA will keep bad stuff out of your vape juice when they said it was ok to put CARPET GLUE in analogues?!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/213440-eva-what-you-should-know-about.html

You also mention you were concerned liquids weren't made in labs and who knows what's in them:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...422080-anti-e-cig-commercial.html#post9636320
The FDA and those folks in labs were really on the ball when they let this happen:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/health/20heparin.html
My point is, I know EXACTLY what's in mine and I feel far safer with my vape liquid than I do with many medications I buy at a pharmacy. I've know idea where that crap came from

If you'd spent a little time reading a few of the stickies here:
DIY E-Liquid
you probably wouldn't have said this:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2080-anti-e-cig-commercial-2.html#post9636789

Right on. I guess some people will just never realize that I could mix up some eJuice in an old boot I fished out of the sewer and it would be safer and less toxic than an analog. Somehow they still think the benevolent government will protect them from hazardous chemicals.

 

[jerzi]

Ad nauseam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You were the one saying it would be a good idea for the FDA to regulate liquid because you were concerned about "impurities'
You think the FDA will keep bad stuff out of your vape juice when they said it was ok to put CARPET GLUE in analogues?!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/213440-eva-what-you-should-know-about.html

You also mention you were concerned liquids weren't made in labs and who knows what's in them:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...422080-anti-e-cig-commercial.html#post9636320
The FDA and those folks in labs were really on the ball when they let this happen:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/health/20heparin.html
My point is, I know EXACTLY what's in mine and I feel far safer with my vape liquid than I do with many medications I buy at a pharmacy. I've know idea where that crap came from

If you'd spent a little time reading a few of the stickies here:
DIY E-Liquid
you probably wouldn't have said this:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2080-anti-e-cig-commercial-2.html#post9636789

Ad nauseam is being unpleased / upset which could cause all them symptoms, sorry if I generalized out of the actual scope.

No, I don't think it will be plausible for the FDA to control impurities/nic content from all suppliers, but there is currently no testing done at any level to keep anyone from any type of risk,. I really don't want someone posting onto this board saying they spilled highly concentrated nicotine all over their skin and wait on a response of what to do. I'm just saying that if something does happen it will be an instant shut down of all suppliers and consumer nicotine sales because they found out they were trying to make ejuice. They will investigate suppliers and ejuice on a one by one basis or maybe not even at all, just put it in the hands of a few companies. Commercials like this add to the negativity of the ecigs as being a safe product and it's counter productive by just saying "Make your own juice!" without any helpful info because you are upset.

I picked up my first ecig in early of 2010, and have created my own juices. If I was interested in DIY I would go back to it. Me commenting about impurities in a juice because I don't want to see the ecig community receive any negative feedback has no correlation to me making my own juice.

You started out on this site and asked what you should get as a first unit, when thousands of posts around the internet could of gave you that information. I'm here to be a part of the ecig community, help out where I can and involve myself in conversations/posts.

I'm sorry if any of this offends you, but that's how I feel.

 

[Myk]

I think I understand now, the process which they extract for consistency in creating the tobacco is different from how they extract for a pharmaceutical grade nicotine.

Not necessarily different as not certified. But probably not to those exacting standards of bringing it all the way to pure because if they're just going to add it back into their tobacco pulp there's no reason to make it that pure.

There is going to be Both State and Federal Taxes. Plus there is going to be an Increase in Production costs.

It's a Lot Cheaper to mix e-Liquids in a Tub with a Boat Oar than it will be to Comply with a Long List of Local, State and Federal Regulations.

How do you explain Johnson Creek who has a lab that would comply to any reasonable standards the FDA could put on any juice maker. I've heard cries about them being so expensive but when I compare them to other US juices they really aren't.

A lot of the boat oar bathtub mixers are either making a killing because of no overhead or they buy in extremely small quantities.

Personally I don't see the need for going overboard with lab conditions. I don't see where germs are a threat, I would hate to see what one of my tips looked like streaked on a petri dish. My biggest safety concern is more from a 55 gallon drum of PG or VG or nicotine that was previously used for something else and not cleaned properly. There used to be a drum plant here, it is a literal toxic waste site.

 

[zoiDman]

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How do you explain Johnson Creek who has a lab that would comply to any reasonable standards the FDA could put on any juice maker. I've heard cries about them being so expensive but when I compare them to other US juices they really aren't.

A lot of the boat oar bathtub mixers are either making a killing because of no overhead or they buy in extremely small quantities.

Personally I don't see the need for going overboard with lab conditions. I don't see where germs are a threat, I would hate to see what one of my tips looked like streaked on a petri dish. My biggest safety concern is more from a 55 gallon drum of PG or VG or nicotine that was previously used for something else and not cleaned properly. There used to be a drum plant here, it is a literal toxic waste site.

I don't consider JC that Expensive either.

I would guestimate that if you Doubled their Prices, so as to Include State and Federal Taxes, that you would have a Good Baseline as to what Liquid e-Liquids would cost in a Regulated Market. That is, IF Liquid e-Liquids are allowed to be sold.

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Anyone who does DIY knows that a e-Liquid Retailer with No-Overhead has a Very High Profit Margin.

 

[jerzi]

I don't consider JC that Expensive either.

I would guestimate that if you Doubled their Prices, so as to Include State and Federal Taxes, that you would have a Good Baseline as to what Liquid e-Liquids would cost in a Regulated Market. That is, IF Liquid e-Liquids are allowed to be sold.

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Anyone who does DIY knows that a e-Liquid Retailer with No-Overhead has a Very High Profit Margin.

Do you seeing this being a tax on ejuice labled products that include no nicotine?

 

[GaryInTexas]

What keeps us safe is word of mouth. If a vendor started cutting corners or making people sick it would be old news on these forums by 6PM. We are the regulators of e-liquid. We decide who stays in business providing good service and good safe product. We will close a bad vendors business before the FDA can form a committee to see when to start to investigate it. I have much more confidence in you and me then everyone in Washington combined. I vote: self regulate, no FDA.

 

[zoiDman]

Do you seeing this being a tax on ejuice labled products that include no nicotine?

I don't see how the FDA has the Power to Regulate and Congress the Ability to Tax Non-Nicotine Products.

 

[sigliumdiaboli]

awww somthing the big brother cant tax, of course there gonna say its bad they want you to return to smoking cigs so they can make tons of money

 

[Myk]

I don't consider JC that Expensive either.

I would guestimate that if you Doubled their Prices, so as to Include State and Federal Taxes, that you would have a Good Baseline as to what Liquid e-Liquids would cost in a Regulated Market. That is, IF Liquid e-Liquids are allowed to be sold.

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Anyone who does DIY knows that a e-Liquid Retailer with No-Overhead has a Very High Profit Margin.

I think El Governmente would have a hard time raising tobacco like taxes on vaping as long as we play our cards right. That is them admitting they don't want people to quit smoking, they just want the taxes or they're out to protect tobacco companies.

Yes I know many of them are trying and RJR is helping. I haven't seen if any have passed such a thing yet, but if they do the fact that they're raising taxes on something that is not proving to be harmful and is doing exactly what they claimed they wanted as their excuse for raising 300%+ taxes on cigarettes needs to be plastered over the other states.
And every vaper needs to join CASAA. Both to give them the numbers plus to get the alerts to knowing when to call your state.

I'm amazed IL hasn't tried to pass an ecig tax just because it's another excuse to tax something, but after the spanking CASAA gave them on their proposed ban I'm not that amazed. These politicians who have painted themselves into the corner of taxing tobacco "for our own good" don't want the truth to come out that they worry about what will happen if people actually quit. Others who actually believe the taxes are about making people quit really don't like it pointed out their actions are doing the opposite.
I really think one of the IL politicians proposing the ban thought she was doing good and was sincere when she changed her mind and said she wished ecigs were an option when her mother was alive.

If you told me I could only sell prefilled I would start selling 30ml prefilled tanks for bottom feeders. I may even invent an ecig that looks like an airbrush where the tank looked remarkably like a 30ml jar that you screwed on top of a place to feed a wick. If it needed to have filler in it I'd put filler in it. That would be an unenforceable law.
Plus the fact that it's not based on any actual threat that has turned up in the 10 years ecigs has been around could make it an easy target in court.

The labs however, I would expect that. They require the same from food manufacturers.

 

[zoiDman]

What keeps us safe is word of mouth. If a vendor started cutting corners or making people sick it would be old news on these forums by 6PM. ...

The thought of being the Human Test Bed for Vendors is somewhat Alarming.

 

[zoiDman]

I think El Governmente would have a hard time raising tobacco like taxes on vaping as long as we play our cards right. That is them admitting they don't want people to quit smoking, they just want the taxes or they're out to protect tobacco companies.

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I think this is where a Group like AEMSA, or another Trade Organization, would be More Effective than CASAA.

It takes Money to get things done in Government. Trade Organization type Money.

 

[jerzi]

I don't see how the FDA has the Power to Regulate and Congress the Ability to Tax Non-Nicotine Products.

If they did impose a tax on eliquid with nicotine, can they impose a regulatory tax of any amount or does it have to be inline with other nicotine products?

 

[GaryInTexas]

The thought of being the Human Test Bed for Vendors is somewhat Alarming.

You are everytime you go into a restaurant.

 

[zoiDman]

If they did impose a tax on eliquid with nicotine, can they impose a regulatory tax of any amount or does it have to be inline with other nicotine products?

I don't know.

Seeing that e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids are Relatively New, I don't know Taxes Monies can/will be put against them.

Tobacco Taxation is a Tangled Mess. Asking CASSA would probably get you Much Better answers than I could guess at.

 

[zoiDman]

You are everytime you go into a restaurant.

I worked in Restaurants when I was in College. We were visited by the Health Department randomly. How many e-Liquid Retailers are Inspected? And what are they Inspected for?

There were also Standards for things like Cooking Temperatures/Storage and Sanitation.

BTW - Traceability of Ingredients and Quality Control was one of the Reasons I started to do DIY.

 

[jerzi]

You are everytime you go into a restaurant.

I have to agree, I've had to spit out my food a few times, just glad I never got food poisoning yet. I heard that isn't a very fun trip to have your stomach pumped.

I watched Bar Rescue and it kind of made me sick to my stomach.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Our local news runs a restaurant report every week. Pretty shocking report. I watch the show Kitchen Nightmares sometimes. Pretty disgusting stuff. Apparently random inspections by the local health departments are not random enough. I've been sick from restaurant food. Never been sick from vaping.

 

[GaryInTexas]

I will also agree that I would appreciate local health department inspections of e-liquid vendors just like restaurants but not the FDA. The FDA is after control and taxes not safety.

 

[zoiDman]

I will also agree that I would appreciate local health department inspections of e-liquid vendors just like restaurants but not the FDA. The FDA is after control and taxes not safety.

See... Isn't this what it All Boils Down to.

People Do Want Pure e-Liquids. But we can't have a Form of Regulation that Everyone Agrees to.