Blu and Vuse E-cig Commercials.. The Tobacco Connection?

[beckdg]

I thought they would have mods out by now. All they have is cigalikes and that's good for to get people that are just quitting smoking but if I was them I would release a line of mods to try to get the vapers that already have mods and are more experienced. I would never buy anything from them again but that's just what I would do.

You're missing their big picture entirely. All signs point to a possible ban on anything refillable and most juices by way of expensive registrations, flavor bans or whatever necessary.

If you were a corporate super power would you

A: compete to make in a year profits you're already making in a couple days. Allocate expensive resources to such struggle. Compete in a vast global market that's growing and innovating so fast that the entire face of the market completely changes from week to week. Market a bunch of products that remove all your customers dependency.

Or

B. Compete for global domination by being the only clown willing to still produce marginally effective products that are likely to soon be the only legal products on the market. Solidify your main products longevity in the market. Have every customer be full time life long repeat customers on both product lines when you're the only game in town and dump cocktails of helper ingredients in your tamper proof packages. Create addiction inducing compounds and stuff then in new product line in spades.

 

[DT Artisan]

You're missing their big picture entirely. All signs point to a possible ban on anything refillable and most juices by way of expensive registrations, flavor bans or whatever necessary.

If you were a corporate super power would you

A: compete to make in a year profits you're already making in a couple days. Allocate expensive resources to such struggle. Compete in a vast global market that's growing and innovating so fast that the entire face of the market completely changes from week to week. Market a bunch of products that remove all your customers dependency.

Or

B. Compete for global domination by being the only clown willing to still produce marginally effective products that are likely to soon be the only legal products on the market. Solidify your main products longevity in the market. Have every customer be full time life long repeat customers on both product lines when you're the only game in town and dump cocktails of helper ingredients in your tamper proof packages. Create addiction inducing compounds and stuff then in new product line in spades.

BINGO Beckdg!

Me thinks you nailed it........ The politicians are already in BT's pocket, so that's not a problem. The goal now is to subliminally link tobacco use and vaping together in the minds of the public until critical mass is achieved. Then they'll accept vaping bans, astringent rules and bogus "health hazards" related to vaping. Just like now, you see the media stating about the number of calls to Poison Control Centers in regards to nicotine poisoning from e-juices, when nearly ten times as many calls occur during the same time frame....for someone swallowing Windex. But you don't hear about that. And if FDA "regulation" was a good thing for vaping, then why wasn't it such a good thing for BT? Look at the poisons in tobacco. Still all there...and still 100% legal. FDA "regulation" is just about who you pay...to get your way. AND eliminate competition. <------ (steps off of soap box)

Brian

 

[stevegmu]

Wow very interesting So it may be that they pretending to be e cig companies that want to really just reverse promte and connect e cigs to tobacco to damage public opinion and thereby either take control or squish e cigs out. It is def something big tobacco would do , nice point of view DT thanks

No, they want smokers and those quitting to buy their e-cigarettes. That's it.

 

[bluecat]

Yes, and Republic Tobacco takes 50% stake in Johnson Creek Enterprises

I had suspected the major eliquid players would be bought up at some point. My point wasn't if Tobacco owned them or not. Johnson Creek was a well respected clean liquid manufacture, one you could trust with their ingredients. I didn't like their liquids but many did. So if it now in tobacco's carts then we shoudl still be able to trust it.

 

[InTheShade]

No, they want smokers and those quitting to buy their e-cigarettes. That's it.

I agree.

The people that run big tobacco are a lot of things, stupid is not one. They know their product market-shares are being hit hard by the emergence of e-cigs and they know they need to be positioned in this market as soon as possible.

That's the reason why you see big tobacco buying e-liquid suppliers. Simply because it allows them to bring their products to market faster and with less expense.

 

[beckdg]

BINGO Beckdg!

Me thinks you nailed it........ The politicians are already in BT's pocket, so that's not a problem. The goal now is to subliminally link tobacco use and vaping together in the minds of the public until critical mass is achieved. Then they'll accept vaping bans, astringent rules and bogus "health hazards" related to vaping. Just like now, you see the media stating about the number of calls to Poison Control Centers in regards to nicotine poisoning from e-juices, when nearly ten times as many calls occur during the same time frame....for someone swallowing Windex. But you don't hear about that. And if FDA "regulation" was a good thing for vaping, then why wasn't it such a good thing for BT? Look at the poisons in tobacco. Still all there...and still 100% legal. FDA "regulation" is just about who you pay...to get your way. AND eliminate competition. <------ (steps off of soap box)

Brian

But at the same time they're positioning themselves to be dual suppliers... The only suppliers of both products if they have their way.

Taking aside their alterior motives and the tactics associated with them. BT really does have a stake in the e cig business... The biggest stake there is besides BP with tax dollars coming in a close third.

There's no reason to believe they'd out their motives to the general public in an add campaign that could hurt their own sales and credibility to the media and the public.

They just want to sell their products. That some things may be suggestive in those adds is more likely just a product of the thought process along the way. More likely they never gave a thought to it suggesting anything at all and ran the add. Probably so busy playing one side publicly and the other behind closed doors that they've convinced themselves of their own lies. Then little nuances slip.

We're what you call hyper sensitive or in a state of heightened awareness. So tired of taking BTs BS that we'll see anything slightly suggestive as blatantly wrong and purposefully architected.