Any alternative to VG?
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If you don't want to work with VG to increase vapor production or reduce TH, then don't.
Not using VG means there is next to 0 reasons for using alcohol or water.
Not quite sure what you want to know based on your question.
Alcohol and water are mostly used to thin VG.
Not using VG means there is next to 0 reasons for using alcohol or water.
Not quite sure what you want to know based on your question.
Alcohol and water are mostly used to thin VG.
Certain flavoring can produce more vapor.
vape Wizard from FA increases vapor production. It can also reduce harshness from flavorings. You'll have to experiment to find the level that works for your recipe. I usually start at 1 drop per 5ml. Getting too much mutes the flavor... And not in a good way.
TPA's Blueberry (both types) also seems to be a good vapor producer.
I'm sure there are other flavorings that can boost vapor production, but those 2 I can remember off the top of my head.
vape Wizard from FA increases vapor production. It can also reduce harshness from flavorings. You'll have to experiment to find the level that works for your recipe. I usually start at 1 drop per 5ml. Getting too much mutes the flavor... And not in a good way.
TPA's Blueberry (both types) also seems to be a good vapor producer.
I'm sure there are other flavorings that can boost vapor production, but those 2 I can remember off the top of my head.
Perfumers apprentice offers Triacetin https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7197-triacetin.aspx as a PG alternative that is NOT VG, Im not really sure how it does as far as vapor production goes tho.
VG is thick, so you need a large gauge needle or pipette to work with it, but it's really not that difficult, and I can't say it's any messier than PG. YOu can also dilute it with a little pga or distilled water to make it easier to work with.
VG is thick, so you need a large gauge needle or pipette to work with it, but it's really not that difficult, and I can't say it's any messier than PG. YOu can also dilute it with a little pga or distilled water to make it easier to work with.
I don't use a needle or have the VG touch the exterior of my syringe when I work with it.
I have a rubber stopper, with a hole in it, that I push into the VG bottle opening and then push the syringe into the hole in the stopper. Draw out what I need and then toss the syringe and stopper in a glass of water I have sitting close by. The water rinse dillutes the VG so it is not slick or sticky when I clean my equipment after mixing.
Use the same type of setup when working with PG and nic solution.
Only use needles to reach the bottom of flavoring bottles.
Something to think about if you're still in the process of setting up your mixing "lab".
I have a rubber stopper, with a hole in it, that I push into the VG bottle opening and then push the syringe into the hole in the stopper. Draw out what I need and then toss the syringe and stopper in a glass of water I have sitting close by. The water rinse dillutes the VG so it is not slick or sticky when I clean my equipment after mixing.
Use the same type of setup when working with PG and nic solution.
Only use needles to reach the bottom of flavoring bottles.
Something to think about if you're still in the process of setting up your mixing "lab".
It is from Walgreens. Came with a 10ml syringe, a syringe brush, and the stepped stopper for a couple of bucks in an area for product to help parents get their little one to take medication.
It has disappeared from their website, but it is in the stores. (Tried to find a pic to link.)
It has disappeared from their website, but it is in the stores. (Tried to find a pic to link.)
So alcohol is mainly just used to dilute VG ? I thought I read that it improves TH . Can anyone confirm this ?
Ive was using a 80/20 mix but starting to like 50/50 little better . I wanna reduce the nicmg but dont want to
lose the TH . Was gonna try lowering it and adding little PGA to help but if its just for diluting the VG then that
destroys that plan.
Ive was using a 80/20 mix but starting to like 50/50 little better . I wanna reduce the nicmg but dont want to
lose the TH . Was gonna try lowering it and adding little PGA to help but if its just for diluting the VG then that
destroys that plan.
I use a 50/50 PG to VG base and premix it in a separate bottle. I picked up a 250ml brown bottle that pharmacies use to mix liquid meds in, just ask the pharmacy for one. That way I already have my base mixed at a user friendly viscosity and it's easier to measure into my smaller bottle to add nic and flavors. I don't get all scientific about it, my juice ends up being about 70/30 after I add PG based nic and PG based flavorings.
Hoosier I have one of those graduated stopper baby med syringes too...ain't they handy?
Hoosier I have one of those graduated stopper baby med syringes too...ain't they handy?
Hoosier I have one of those graduated stopper baby med syringes too...ain't they handy?
Yep, great things for the money.
I have 3 different bottles of PG/VG mixed in different ratios. Bottles came from an Ebay'er that sent me the wrong bottles and let me keep the box of 110ml glass bottles even after he sent me the correct plastic bottles I ordered.
Roughing in the VG has always worked for me.
Yeah, just makes one less step for me...I'm lazy
I'd go ahead and premix my nic in too but hubby likes a higher nic mg than me. He'd prolly not even notice the difference if I didn't tell him tho heheWhat gauge needle works best with VG?
When you mix PG and VG to whats the best way to "rough" it in? Shake? Stir?
Bad, I use the stopper instead of a needle for VG and I think it is much nicer, cleaner, easier than using a needle. VG varies in thickness, but I cannot see using anything higher than a 16 ga needle and 14 ga would be even better. Still recommend going to Walgreens and getting the stopper+syringe though.
"Rough in" VG is roughing in the percentage. I have a few 110 ml bottles I got for nothing. In these bottles I will put in 30ml of VG and then 70ml of PG (as an example). I then use that bottle for my cutting base. Depending on how the recipes goes using this 70/30 bottle would give me anywhere from 20% down to 5% of VG in the final mix. What the final ratio of PG to VG is in the recipe is of slight concern.
So if I have a 50/50, a 70/30, and a 90/10 premixed PG/VG bottles sitting around. I'd use the 50/50 bottle for "high" VG, the 70/30 for "med" VG and the 90/10 for just a touch of VG.
So I don't fret, worry, or concern myself with the final VG content and just think of it as High, Med, Low vapor production PG.
And with these bottles I also use the stopper&syringe so it is quick, fairly accurate, and non-messy.
(I have 6 of those stopper&syringe thingy's from Walgreen and Walmart, but like the Walgreen ones better because of the included brush for cleanin)
"Rough in" VG is roughing in the percentage. I have a few 110 ml bottles I got for nothing. In these bottles I will put in 30ml of VG and then 70ml of PG (as an example). I then use that bottle for my cutting base. Depending on how the recipes goes using this 70/30 bottle would give me anywhere from 20% down to 5% of VG in the final mix. What the final ratio of PG to VG is in the recipe is of slight concern.
So if I have a 50/50, a 70/30, and a 90/10 premixed PG/VG bottles sitting around. I'd use the 50/50 bottle for "high" VG, the 70/30 for "med" VG and the 90/10 for just a touch of VG.
So I don't fret, worry, or concern myself with the final VG content and just think of it as High, Med, Low vapor production PG.
And with these bottles I also use the stopper&syringe so it is quick, fairly accurate, and non-messy.
(I have 6 of those stopper&syringe thingy's from Walgreen and Walmart, but like the Walgreen ones better because of the included brush for cleanin)
Some people also use PEG, polyethylene glycol. I have never used it, but it is a possible alternative to VG or PG. I think its a powder you mix with water.
If I have some Ecopure and want to thin it so it is better in my cartridge could I just add vodka?
Is that better than water? TH aside. (is vodka just better for the cartridge in general?)
And flavored vodka would be the same as reg. vodka?...right?
Is that better than water? TH aside. (is vodka just better for the cartridge in general?)
And flavored vodka would be the same as reg. vodka?...right?
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