Any tips for avoiding discoloration?

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Nepherael

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I think I've finally got everything working pretty well with my rba's except for this one thing. By the time my tank is a quarter down it's starting to get discolored and when I get to the bottom it tastes like crap. It's manageable with some juices but my main vape is strawberry so that stuff needs to be perfect to taste right.

Any tips?

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The problem you're having has less to do with the RBA's than it does with the juice you're using. Certain juices-especially fruit-flavored or "sweet" ones- tend to have issues with fully vaporizing their contents, leaving behind some of the flavoring/sweetener components- and, while I have no evidence to support this, I believe that these "residuals" are also chemically altered via the heat from the atomizer coil during the liquids' phase change from liquid to gas, becoming heavier and more complex molecules.

What happens next depends on what kind of a system you use: In the old days when everything was top-feed, you would barely notice these residuals until it was time to clean or change your atomizer, because they would collect in the atomizer itself, condense, and-having nowhere to go- they would stay there, eventually affecting the taste and leading to a "dirty" or "spent" coil. Nowadays, we have bottom-feed designs, often with clear tanks, and what we're seeing- provided my hypothesis is somewhat accurate- is that when these heavier molecules are created at the coil, some of them are being either displaced by lighter, unaltered molecules of the original juice traveling up the wick, OR the heavier molecules are "sinking" back down the wick into the tank- or a combination of the two processes. It's impossible [for me] to know for sure because the whole process of wicking is very dynamic, and I haven't brushed up on my knowledge of chemistry, physics or fluid dynamics for years. Either way, you end up seeing the results of the process(es) at the bottom of your tank after vaping a substantial part of the unaltered juice.

I've noticed this process happening in silica-wick bottom-fed tanks, SS Genesis-style tanks, and even in bottom-feed box mods like my Vmod, so it isn't specific to SS, or any wick material for that matter- even my Vmod, with no wick at all, gets dark "sludge" buildup in the bottom of the feed bottle after heavy use. I recommend avoiding vaping it when it gets too dark, as we really have no idea what these heavier molecules are, nor what their effects on our health might be.

Again, a quick disclaimer: This topic needs hard research in order for my hypotheses to be labelled "the truth". Even then, the processes happening are so complex that we may never really know the exact mechanisms for how this is occuring- but I am fairly certain it can be proven, provided someone has the right credentials and the necessary time, resources and willpower to do so.

Before someone tries to say that it's "sugar" that's being "burnt" or "caramelizing"- while it may be a similar process that is occuring, e-liquid shouldn't contain sugar, if it is being manufactured correctly. Artificial sweeteners are used in place of sugar to provide sweetness in e-liquids.


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Perfect. I will try a real tight wick next time. And I should also make it fit snug in the wick hole right?

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Not overly tight on the wick, and when you start to get a whole bunch of crud built up on your wick instead of leaving it there like many do, stick a syringe in your tank and drain the juice, then do some dry burns, then turn on you tap water as hot as it will get, pulse your coil and get it hot then let go and put it under the hot water, this will clean up your wick and help to bring back better cleaner flavor once again, I usually do this every time I fill my tank. It's that crud build up on the mesh wick that starts to funk up the juice, so this cleaning technique stops that from happening as much and your juice taste better.
 
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I just toss the stuff out and refill with fresh if the taste is off. If it still tastes normal, I vape it.

Forgot to mention that it also helps if you partially fill your tanks- but if you need something to last you all day, that might not be practical for you.

Also- love the crossed-out "vivi novas" in your sig box...lol
 

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after a few days of use I notice this. I just fill with VG only (you could prolly use any juice) let it soak so those residuals leach out of the wick and dump. Refill as much as I'm comfortable with and and taste clean and new again. Luckily my cotton wicks leach really well causeing the problem, but that fact makes it very easy to clean. Just don't use hot water like I did, for some reason every time I tried that it was like breaking in a new coil/wick that just wouldn't break in afterward.
 

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Also- love the crossed-out "vivi novas" in your sig box...lol

Yeah, those vivi novas are crap, and if I want to rebuild a wick I would rather do it in something better designed for it. I have 3 of them I don't use anymore, and enough heads to vape for a long time if I wanted to use them. They are relegated to the "box o' crap" for back ups. I know the CE4's are the same heads, but I still can tolerate them on my little eGo's when I just want something to throw in my purse without worrying about losing it. The vivi's just don't "fit" right on the eGo's and I don't want to waste my Provari or my boxes with the useless things. I love my carto tanks and rba's though :)
 

j4mmin42

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Yeah, those vivi novas are crap, and if I want to rebuild a wick I would rather do it in something better designed for it. I have 3 of them I don't use anymore, and enough heads to vape for a long time if I wanted to use them. They are relegated to the "box o' crap" for back ups. I know the CE4's are the same heads, but I still can tolerate them on my little eGo's when I just want something to throw in my purse without worrying about losing it. The vivi's just don't "fit" right on the eGo's and I don't want to waste my Provari or my boxes with the useless things. I love my carto tanks and rba's though :)

I've got quite the history with those things...

started here...

then this...

and then this...

then there was this...

And finally, this...



My conclusion: Great overall design; Horrid engineering; Total POS, especially for beginners and people who want a great vape right out of the box. Only took 2 months to get to that, lol.
 
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