Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[Zen~]

If your assertion is that some devices the displayed temperature is inaccurate then I totally agree. If our assertion is that there are at present no benefits to temperature controlled vaping I clearly disagree. You may just have to figure out what reading temp works vs what t says. And sure hats annoying. But doesn't leave tc without benefit. And modern devices are getting pretty close on readout

My assertion is exactly as I stated it. To date, there no devices on the market that accurately and reliably display the temperature. If you are willing to deal with random units posing as temperature, and that suits your needs, who am I to tell you you're not finding benefit.

For my money, if I set my oven to 350 degrees to bake a pie, It better be at 350 degrees, not some random unit posing as 350 degrees that I have to figure out how much offset I need to be able to get the results I want.

Kinda like your TC coils that gave you a nice charcoal flavor, when your temp was set at below the ignition point of cotton. That's not acceptable. You're not going to get charcoal flavor unless there was some combustion going on. The basic problem is... TC doesn't work reliably and predictable. A consumer should never be faced with having to sort it out for them selves... if that screen says 420 degrees, then it should be 420 degrees. If it was your oven, you would never accept that. Vapers will HATE on a device that doesn't do as advertised in ANY area besides TC.

MANY VAPERS LOVE THE NOTION OF TC... And seem to be willing to defend it, even when NO device that features it, is able to deliver on the promise.

I call that blindly believing. You're welcome to call it whatever you like.

It's still Fraud.

I take it you weren't a big fan of the original Lavatube VV then.

I was until it arrived in the mail! The love affair ended when I opened the box and the 510 connector fell off.

I sit in Camp Zen.

OH, that was YOU... Sorry... I shouldn't have called the cops when I saw you out there in the lawn chair this morning.

I hope that this kampground has room service.

And electricity to charge our (non TC) devices.

Of course it does... and the Bacon Dispenser on the bedside table is an added bonus. Be careful that you put the quarters in the right slot... you wouldn't want to be expecting bacon, only to have the "magic fingers" start up when you don't expect it.

I just hope there are chocolate mints on the pillows.

No, but each night you'll find a shiny quarter for the bacon machine. Compliments of housekeeping!

 

[h00ligan]

My assertion is exactly as I stated it. To date, there no devices on the market that accurately and reliably display the temperature. If you are willing to deal with random units posing as temperature, and that suits your needs, who am I to tell you you're not finding benefit.

For my money, if I set my oven to 350 degrees to bake a pie, It better be at 350 degrees, not some random unit posing as 350 degrees that I have to figure out how much offset I need to be able to get the results I want.

Kinda like your TC coils that gave you a nice charcoal flavor, when your temp was set at below the ignition point of cotton. That's not acceptable. You're not going to get charcoal flavor unless there was some combustion going on. The basic problem is... TC doesn't work reliably and predictable. A consumer should never be faced with having to sort it out for them selves... if that screen says 420 degrees, then it should be 420 degrees. If it was your oven, you would never accept that. Vapers will HATE on a device that doesn't do as advertised in ANY area besides TC.

MANY VAPERS LOVE THE NOTION OF TC... And seem to be willing to defend it, even when NO device that features it, is able to deliver on the promise.

I call that blindly believing. You're welcome to call it whatever you like.

It's still Fraud.



I was until it arrived in the mail! The love affair ended when I opened the box and the 510 connector fell off.



OH, that was YOU... Sorry... I shouldn't have called the cops when I saw you out there in the lawn chair this morning.



Of course it does... and the Bacon Dispenser on the bedside table is an added bonus. Be careful that you put the quarters in the right slot... you wouldn't want to be expecting bacon, only to have the "magic fingers" start up when you don't expect it.



No, but each night you'll find a shiny quarter for the bacon machine. Compliments of housekeeping!

Do you consider yourself a stubborn person?

If no then maybe you should research the Dna 200 chipsets and yihi 350j

I believe even others are now accurate. If you're truly saying when they're accurate you'll get one. That time is now. You just don't seem to recognize that fact as true. Read the tests and reviews.

I hate arguing. Clearly I could post detailed results of tests which I already linked to and it doesn't change anything. And I'm tired of feeling insulted. We just disagree.

I also thinkYou find a way to be incredibly rude mostIf the time. And frankly i am done with tolerating that. It's so weird. The other night you were friendly but the minute a topic that could be a discussion breaks out you just put on your know it all incapable Of listening and let's start belittling people hat.

Truly intelligent people present cogent arguments without the yuk and yaw you assume. And a true mark if intelligence is rational conversation.

By the way the nautilus coils taste of charcoal without being placed in a device. They just suck.

You really confuse me zen. Honestly. I can't figure I out if it's just typical bad forum manners or what

Super nice. To rude to nice to rude. I give up

You designed a nice tank. I guess our conversation should end there. I'll hit forums with people discussing temp Control who are more familiar with the facts of recent devices. In regards to vapor sharks nautilus coils as it applies for the really nice tank you made. . They're really bad. Nobody should probably bother. Oh and the coil design has a ton to
Do with how well Temp
Control works. My built decks in things like the GEM work great. I'm not at all Surprised mass produced cartridges don't work well. The ego one prebuilt are awful. Subtank occ nickel are awful. So maybe to be accurate it has to be built with care . I dunno. I do know accurate temp devices exist

I also know the istick tc is not one of them.

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/wp-content/flagallery/dna-200-wrapup/slide17.jpg

 

[Zen~]

You're completely disregarding what I'm saying. And he taste of charcoal from the nautilus coils existed at such a low temp
Point that there's no way it was anything other than the materials used. You also keep saying no devices on the market are accurate. I've hair posted you a link that shows you're wrong.

Point at all the amateur tests you like. It won't sway me. I don't accept the lab in Phils basement to be accurate. I've been there... have you? I will continue to say the devices on the market are not accurate until which time I am able to measure the accuracy with my own test equipment.

One thing I hope you realize... I REALLY want temp control to work. You should read REALLY as meaning REALLY REALLY REALLY want it to work.

It simply doesn't yet. Sure, some day it will, if people don't accept this poor excuse for it that is being perpetrated as being useful.

When they get it to work right, I will be the biggest fan of it. I promise you that. Until then, some are willing to settle for less. I'd rather not have it until it actually functions properly. And I sure won't speak out in favor of it while there is SO much room for improvement. MAYBE if they could make it work, even a little, I'd feel differently.

 

[h00ligan]

I think a test with a temp
Probe is probably accurate enough yes.

I don't believe it has to be down to the nearest 100th of a degree. Within 5 or ten is functionally fine.

The dna200 for example is accurate enough. And if urge you to go have this argument on their forum with them. They can probably educate you about their testing procedure which far surpasses Phil. I'm sure Brandon would have a ton to add to this conversation.

Should I ask him to join in here as he would be able to give a better defense than I can ? As a designer for the premiere chipset. ? I can't guarantee he will but maybe he will
Give me some reading to pass along on how their sample x many hundred or thousand times per second or whatever it is and heir internal probing. As well as the implementation of the case decay. Customers entry of temperature efficients etc.

A lot can go wrong and make it inaccurate. A well designed tank and build can be incredibly accurate.

One downside. My guess is any with floating center pins like yours or the gem etc will always have issues with resistance fluctuation. That's a guess based on my limited experience. But I think a new design for tanks and positive posts is going to be the key to crazy accurate temp control. Maybe you can work with Evolv to mastermind a tank that aids the cause. Most tanks are he fall down point at this point from what I'm seeing.
Mi know my gem is tough to get situated. The kayfun four is awful with it. The goblin mini seems ok but ful size is bad. The tai fun gt2 can be made to work if you allow the center pin to screw itself in when you place it.

 

[Zen~]

Do you consider yourself a stubborn person?

Not in particular... I have my opinion, you have yours.

I'm not telling you how to present your arguments, you seem to insist that I do so in your way. Not going to happen. In reality, I'm a pretty helpful guy. I'll spend hours in the middle of the night to help somebody that wants my help, I think you've seen that.

BUT... I am a builder of PVs as well as Tanks. And I am not going to endorse a technology that simply doesn't work. I stopped evolving the ZNA at 30 watts for one simple reason. The DNA40 temp control board doesn't actually control temp. I couldn't use it in a device with my name on it. End of story.

Bottom line, I could REALLY benefit from temp control working.

It doesn't work. I just doesn't. All the links to amateur engineers you can find won't make it work. I'm sorry if this hurts you. It's not my fault. I didn't design it.

If you feel insulted because temp control doesn't work, I have no idea why. I'm not attacking you. I WANT temp control to work.

But... it doesn't. Sorry. No offense. Really.

 

[ENAUD]

How in the beejeezis did this thread become a temperature control thread!?! I thought it was about the Kabuki...



and in the sub-forum for Provape, who doesn't offer Temperature "control".

 

[h00ligan]

Not in particular... I have my opinion, you have yours.

I'm not telling you how to present your arguments, you seem to insist that I do so in your way. Not going to happen. In reality, I'm a pretty helpful guy. I'll spend hours in the middle of the night to help somebody that wants my help, I think you've seen that.

BUT... I am a builder of PVs as well as Tanks. And I am not going to endorse a technology that simply doesn't work. I stopped evolving the ZNA at 30 watts for one simple reason. The DNA40 temp control board doesn't actually control temp. I couldn't use it in a device with my name on it. End of story.

Bottom line, I could REALLY benefit from temp control working.

It doesn't work. I just doesn't. All the links to amateur engineers you can find won't make it work. I'm sorry if this hurts you. It's not my fault. I didn't design it.

If you feel insulted because temp control doesn't work, I have no idea why. I'm not attacking you. I WANT temp control to work.

But... it doesn't. Sorry. No offense. Really.

I don't feel offended you feel it doesn't work. I think you're wrong but not offended. It's the way you some times phrase things in such a belittling way.

You can be very helpful and supe r nice. That's why I get confused when I feel you are so dismissive and rude at times the other night you were so helpful and genuinely seemed to care about helping me. Today I feel like you've been quite rude when I don't feel
I deserved it. I dunno maybe. My hormones are up. Sorry if I'm the one in the wrong here.



Also the DNA 40 is nothing like the dna200. They're so difference they should have maybe ch changed the name.

Maybe a ZNA 200 can exist when you see how accurate that chip is kill ha he your mind?

Did you pronto to the Dan 200. Or did you give up after the 40?

Above post is right. I just posted to say the vapor shark coils aren't good in the kabuki. Sorry this got so derailed not my intention. I apologize for shifting topic.

I hope you can find a temp chipset you can work with the ZNA 30 is a hell of a device. One of my favorite designs ever. Didn't even realize that was yours!

 

[Zen~]

I'm sure Brandon would have a ton to add to this conversation.

Should I ask him to join in here as he would be able to give a better defense than I can ? As a designer for the premiere chipset. ?

Once again, you have forgotten where you are... this is the ProVape forum... not the eVolv forum. It would be HIGHLY inappropriate to call Brandon in here to defend "his" design in the ProVari forum. By the way, Brandon isn't the designer.

I don't feel offended you feel it doesn't work. I hunk you're wrong but not offended. It's the way you some times phrase things in such a belittling way.

You can be very helpful and supe r nice. That's why I get confused when I feel you are so dismissive and rude at times

Also the DNA 40 is nothing like the dna200. They're so difference they should have maybe ch changed the name.

Maybe a ZNA 200 can exist when you see how accurate that chip is kill ha he your mind?

Did you pronto to the Dan 200. Or did you give up after the 40?

I think we need to end this. I really have not been rude, and I'm getting a little tired of being accused of that. You're having trouble deciphering the difference between articulate with uppity, I think.

That being said, the very fact that you would suggest that I would use a DNA200 in the ZNA demonstrates exactly how little you know about me, or my company and it's goals/mission. I DO have several 200 boards that have been put through the ringer, by the way.

Temp control doesn't work. At all... Not accurately anyway... there are FAR more reasons than just the board for that. The problems exist after the board as well as in it.

And I'm done with this now... remember where you are, please.

This is the Kabuki thread in the ProVape sub Forum. If you're having trouble with your temp control coils, please contact the manufacturer of them.

ProVape doesn't have a temp control device.

 

[chrisz]

I think a test with a temp
Probe is probably accurate enough yes.

I don't believe it has to be down to the nearest 100th of a degree. Within 5 or ten is functionally fine.

The dna200 for example is accurate enough. And if urge you to go have this argument on their forum with them. They can probably educate you about their testing procedure which far surpasses Phil. I'm sure Brandon would have a ton to add to this conversation.

Should I ask him to join in here as he would be able to give a better defense than I can ? As a designer for the premiere chipset. ? I can't guarantee he will but maybe he will
Give me some reading to pass along on how their sample x many hundred or thousand times per second or whatever it is and heir internal probing. As well as the implementation of the case decay. Customers entry of temperature efficients etc.

A lot can go wrong and make it inaccurate. A well designed tank and build can be incredibly accurate.

One downside. My guess is any with floating center pins like yours or the gem etc will always have issues with resistance fluctuation. That's a guess based on my limited experience. But I think a new design for tanks and positive posts is going to be the key to crazy accurate temp control. Maybe you can work with Evolv to mastermind a tank that aids the cause. Most tanks are he fall down point at this point from what I'm seeing.
Mi know my gem is tough to get situated. The kayfun four is awful with it. The goblin mini seems ok but ful size is bad. The tai fun gt2 can be made to work if you allow the center pin to screw itself in when you place it.

If he builds it, he should come. But, he may not be allowed to post here, due to conflicting interest. I'm not good with links, so I don't expect anyone else to be, but id love to see this thread. I have tried tc, unhappilly. It quit before I thought it should. Half a tank, plenty of juice, it read dry. With my kanthal, I can tell a dry hit before its completely dry. At 100 watts, that semi-dry hit would probably kill a man! At a point as low as even 40 watts, semi-dry is clearly noticeable. I have no problem with what I use, and I have a tc device! I just don't go there, it makes it a bad device!!

 

[Bahiaboy]

Loving the Stealth Kabuki on the Stealth Ti P3 It is so good I have ordered another Kabuki to sit on my Red P3 which is arriving on Saturday !! So 2 Kabuki,s on 2 P3s with about 60 BVC coils should cover my immediate needs

 

[Zen~]

Loving the Stealth Kabuki on the Stealth Ti P3 It is so good I have ordered another Kabuki to sit on my Red P3 which is arriving on Saturday !! So 2 Kabuki,s on 2 P3s with about 60 BVC coils should cover my immediate needs

Yeah, that should hold you for a bit!

 

[JUMA55]

Yeah, that should hold you for a bit!

Zen, did you ever decide which was better the Samsung 25R or the AW 3000mAh? Thanks.

 

[Zen~]

Zen, did you ever decide which was better the Samsung 25R or the AW 3000mAh? Thanks.

In the Radius... 25R and AW mAh have pretty similar run times. SLIGHT edge for the AW... VERY slight.

 

[Moxienator]

Zen, any reason it's called Kabuki?


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[Rhody]

I have a question...I got my 1st Kabuki a few days ago, it's been wonderful to say the least.
I went to change the coil from a 1.6 to a 1.8, and it just keeps spinning in the base. It screws into the top section
fine, but it won't in the base.....I've tried several Bvc coils, and they all do the same thing.
I've contacted MB in hopes that they either send me a new one or refund me.

Is it possible I've overtightened it, and messed up the threads somehow, I've been beside myself

 

[drugarth]

hehe I used to play a play-by-mail (yes snail mail that is) game in the old days in which me and my friends where on a team called "the white knights of Kabuki".....always wondered what it meant...now a quick google shows it a form of japanse theater? Not sure what the link is with the vaping scene, but I like my memories (of the game) associated with the name

 

[Zen~]

I have a question...I got my 1st Kabuki a few days ago, it's been wonderful to say the least.
I went to change the coil from a 1.6 to a 1.8, and it just keeps spinning in the base. It screws into the top section
fine, but it won't in the base.....I've tried several Bvc coils, and they all do the same thing.
I've contacted MB in hopes that they either send me a new one or refund me.

Is it possible I've overtightened it, and messed up the threads somehow, I've been beside myself

Send me a PM here with your address and I'll send you a replacement base.

 

[Rhody]

Send me a PM here with your address and I'll send you a replacement base.

OMG Zen, really? Thank you so much

 

[Yonjuro]

I was having problems at first with numerous coils cross threading and getting stuck in the chimney. Suffice to say it was getting frustrating. Since going back and watching Zen's video instructions again I haven't had one get stuck since. It really is in the back rotation with slight pressure until you feel a slight drop. Then righty tighty and all is sweet.

It really is a breeze and far better than what I was doing before with a feather light touch. You don't need a lot of pressure but you need some in order to feel the drop. Best done on a nice flat surface.

I guess it pays to re-watch instructional video's a few times Even though it is brief and seems pretty straight forward and common sense it is really worth paying attention to all of the points.

And now that I have this sorted I am enjoying the Kabuki even more and waiting for my second to arrive any day now.

PS. My comments are not in reference to the above post as that is probably a different issue

 

[Rhody]

You know, when I originally ordered my Kabuki, I thought to myself, I'm going to use this on a mod that it deserves to be on. So I ordered a Provari 2.5 with a P3 top. This will also be my 1st Provari, so excited.
I was worried that MB would make me go thru hoops and ladders, to the point of taking a video of my first born child, LOL....I truly almost started crying. You can't imagine how appreciative I am for Zen to be so kind as to replace my Kabuki base. My hats off to you Zen for being a vendor that TRULY CARES....