Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[PLANofMAN]

Zen~ had some B Stock of the P3K Ti last time I checked FYI...

I spent almost $300 tonight (I owed my cousin money), and if I order direct from HoH again, it's going to be after I send in my OG steel ZNA for servicing (sticking fire button). I have an original ZEN mod too, so it's not like I don't support him. I just have to do it within my means at the moment...and quite frankly, I'm broke.

(I also didn't think about checking Zen's site. Doh!) Edit: checked, don't see them?

 

[gin828]

I spent almost $300 tonight (I owed my cousin money), and if I order direct from HoH again, it's going to be after I send in my OG steel ZNA for servicing (sticking fire button). I have an original ZEN mod too, so it's not like I don't support him. I just have to do it within my means at the moment...and quite frankly, I'm broke.

(I also didn't think about checking Zen's site. Doh!) Edit: checked, don't see them?

They are on the ZFO site.

Kabuki Ti - (Titanium B-Stock)

 

[BreSha6869]

Thanks for the review, my facial tick has returned.


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My vision of hell? Crates of VVTFs and spools of 30ga wire... Coiling these for all eternity.

 

[BreSha6869]

..can't be much harder than building on a kayfun.... .

Funniest thing I have read all week. LOL!

I have 8 Kayfuns... I'd rather build all 8 of them while sitting in a pool of leeches than build one VVTF. Ok, THAT might be a BIT of an exaggeration.

 

[PLANofMAN]

They are on the ZFO site.

Kabuki Ti - (Titanium B-Stock)

Yeah, didn't see that. Maybe next week. I really want it for the drip tip, if nothing else.

I've got shinyitus bad, and that looks like a temporary cure.

Funniest thing I have read all week. LOL!

I have 8 Kayfuns... I'd rather build all 8 of them while sitting in a pool of leeches than build one VVTF. Ok, THAT might be a BIT of an exaggeration.

Can't be harder than recoiling Vivi Novas.
*Recalls using surgical tools to install VN coils*
Oh, crap.

 

[GeekyGeezer]

Sorry, but I have to say it:

You come to a Kabuki thread and then include a link to buy a counterfeit? You value Zen's ability to invent as worthless?

And then you admit it isn't made properly. How in the world do you expect to "assess" the original by buying a cheap counterfeit?

Yes, you write that you really would have bought the real thing but the single place you looked was out of stock.

Again, my apologies but I am hardcore regarding theft and counterfeiting. People seem too ready to use the word "clone" as if that somehow denies the outright theft of someone's hard work and skill.

 

[coldgin96]

TO THE BAR!

 

[schismz]

Excellent breakdown @iBloke as it caused me to order two of those infernal devices. can't be much harder than building on a Kayfun, and I used to rebuild Vivi Novas back in the day...

Uhm, No. I have a bunch of Kayfun 5s, Mini v3s, the old 4s with the P3 section, and the prerequisite eleventy-three Kayfun Lite+ clones from fasttech for Vapocalypse stash. All of 'em are stupid easy to build. I do not think I am alone in this opinion.

Kayfuns (all models in general): it Just Works for 98% of everybody.
\/\/TF: it Just Doesn't Work for 98% of everybody.

The real question somebody mentioned, I think @jwbnyc - is why would you possibly want to do this? The only reason I even use Kabuki tanks is because they look good, work well, and are convenient. With the rebuilt coils you're left with... looks good, works "well" is debatable (compared to what?), and convenient is gone. Adding up all those variables I'm pretty much at: when you remove nautilus coils from the picture, or a "real" build deck, I just don't care about the Kabuki tank enough to put myself through this.

And, I like the Kabuki's a lot, I have 6 (or possibly 7 if I ever find it again ;-) I enjoy them, I've gotten my money's worth out of them, but I wouldn't buy that many again in the here and now (which within the US is the dark ages, thanks to the FDA).

Left: P3 Ti in 18350 mode + Ti Kabuki.
Right: Dicodes Dani Extreme V2+ in 18490 + Serpent Mini.

If you wanna rebuild a small atty designed for single coil use, that looks good sitting on $250-$350 mods, then invest all of $15 and try the serpent. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Serpent mini RTA Tank By Wotofo - $15.39 And that's not a clone, that's the price for an original (or you can pay $25-$30 for the same thing by ordering it within the US if you prefer). Great flavor, easy to build, can sub-ohm and do DL, or you can drop a 1.4-1.8Ω coil in there, spin the AFC to almost closed, and presto, there ya go, great flavor and MTL action.

I'm not dissing the Kabuki, I love 'em, but the whole point of the tank is, it's convenient. That's actually a central point of Zen's marketing for the tank. Here, let him tell you in the opening paragraph of his website: house of hybrids.

Obviously he believes in what he's saying, because he's never released a RBA deck for the Kabuki tanks.

 

[tearose50]

Love your GMZ Kabuki but would like a matching "adapter".

Here's your chance:

https://squareup.com/market/houseofhybrids

 

[tearose50]

Double post.

 

[BreSha6869]

TO THE BAR!

Already there brother! My Canadian thanksgiving Gong Show begins at my place in just over a half hour. Gotta prepare. We are the Canadian Griswolds for sure!

 

[GeekyGeezer]

Love your GMZ Kabuki but would like a matching "adapter".

Here's your chance:

https://squareup.com/market/houseofhybrids

Great find! Now, if they would only get the black Kocho Thin tips back in stock.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Sorry, but I have to say it:

You come to a Kabuki thread and then include a link to buy a counterfeit? You value Zen's ability to invent as worthless?

And then you admit it isn't made properly. How in the world do you expect to "assess" the original by buying a cheap counterfeit?

Yes, you write that you really would have bought the real thing but the single place you looked was out of stock.

Again, my apologies but I am hardcore regarding theft and counterfeiting. People seem too ready to use the word "clone" as if that somehow denies the outright theft of someone's hard work and skill.

First off, I already have a Kabuki. I bought it for my girlfriend (now my fiancée). Second, it's not patented (as far as I know), so there's that (patents are not that expensive, I have two myself and a third in the process of being submitted). Third, the quality of clones is usually right up there with originals as far as function. I've spent a lot of money on originals that I wouldn't have given a second look to had it not been for the clones. GP PAPS and GP Herons being excellent examples. Ditto for the Erlkonigion (sp?). Where clones fall short is material and finish. Springs, screws and other 'parts' are usually of inferior quality and can be replaced by better quality parts (often from the OE/authentic manufacturer themselves) and threads and finish can be polished and deburred by anyone with time and patience.

I just wanted a titanium one. I'll buy an authentic one when I have the money.

There's plenty of original and expensive mods and attys that are pure junk. For me, buying a clone lets me sift the wheat from the chaff.

Uhm, No. I have a bunch of Kayfun 5s, Mini v3s, the old 4s with the P3 section, and the prerequisite eleventy-three Kayfun Lite+ clones from fasttech for Vapocalypse stash. All of 'em are stupid easy to build. I do not think I am alone in this opinion.

Kayfuns (all models in general): it Just Works for 98% of everybody.
\/\/TF: it Just Doesn't Work for 98% of everybody.

The real question somebody mentioned, I think @jwbnyc - is why would you possibly want to do this? The only reason I even use Kabuki tanks is because they look good, work well, and are convenient. With the rebuilt coils you're left with... looks good, works "well" is debatable (compared to what?), and convenient is gone. Adding up all those variables I'm left with: without the convenience of prebuilt coils or a "real" build deck, I just don't care about the Kabuki tank enough to put myself through this.

And, I like the Kabuki's a lot, I have 6 (or possibly 7 if I ever find it again ;-) I enjoy them, I've gotten my money's worth out of them, but I wouldn't buy that many again in the here and now (which within the US is the dark ages, thanks to the FDA).

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Left: P3 Ti in 18350 mode + Ti Kabuki.
Right: Dicodes Dani Extreme V2+ in 18490 + Serpent Mini.

If you wanna rebuild a small atty designed for single coil use, that looks good sitting on $250-$350 mods, then invest all of $15 and try the serpent. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Serpent mini RTA Tank By Wotofo - $15.39 And that's not a clone, that's the price for an original (or you can pay $25-$30 for the same thing by ordering it within the US if you prefer). Great flavor, easy to build, can sub-ohm and do DL, or you can drop a 1.4-1.8Ω coil in there, spin the AFC to almost closed, and presto, there ya go, great flavor and MTL action.

I'm not dissing the Kabuki, I love 'em, but the whole point of the tank is, it's convenient. That's actually a central point of Zen's marketing for the tank. Here, let him tell you in the opening paragraph of his marketing: house of hybrids.

Obviously he believes in what he's saying, because he's never released a RBA deck for the Kabuki tanks.

I never said Kayfun were hard to build. I said it doesn't look much more difficult to build than a kayfun.

I bought them to challenge myself. I've been using RBA's for years...since the Genisis days, and anything is easy to build compared to an early steel mesh gennie.

I'm sure my cousin and fiancée will continue to use prebuilt attys. I might even use them myself, but it will take a miracle to get me to quit using Kayfuns.

 

[Katdarling]

(and this is coming from someone who used to do the blue aquarium foam + straw mod in cartos circa 1492 or so).

You, too, Columbo?

That's kept me from buying any of those things. There are so many easy to build RTAs out there. Why bother with that itty bitty thing? same goes for any other clearomizer. Just get something with a decent sized build deck.

Had we not received them as "gifts" (gift translated to "I hate this thing. Want it?") we'd never EVER have even considered them as an option over the pop in stock coils for the Kabuki.

Uhm, No. I have a bunch of Kayfun 5s, Mini v3s, the old 4s with the P3 section, and the prerequisite eleventy-three Kayfun Lite+ clones from fasttech for Vapocalypse stash. All of 'em are stupid easy to build. I do not think I am alone in this opinion.

Kayfuns (all models in general): it Just Works for 98% of everybody.
\/\/TF: it Just Doesn't Work for 98% of everybody.

The real question somebody mentioned, I think @jwbnyc - is why would you possibly want to do this? The only reason I even use Kabuki tanks is because they look good, work well, and are convenient. With the rebuilt coils you're left with... looks good, works "well" is debatable (compared to what?), and convenient is gone. Adding up all those variables I'm left with: without the convenience of prebuilt coils or a "real" build deck, I just don't care about the Kabuki tank enough to put myself through this.

And, I like the Kabuki's a lot, I have 6 (or possibly 7 if I ever find it again ;-) I enjoy them, I've gotten my money's worth out of them, but I wouldn't buy that many again in the here and now (which within the US is the dark ages, thanks to the FDA).

View attachment 605445

Left: P3 Ti in 18350 mode + Ti Kabuki.
Right: Dicodes Dani Extreme V2+ in 18490 + Serpent Mini.

If you wanna rebuild a small atty designed for single coil use, that looks good sitting on $250-$350 mods, then invest all of $15 and try the serpent. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Serpent mini RTA Tank By Wotofo - $15.39 And that's not a clone, that's the price for an original (or you can pay $25-$30 for the same thing by ordering it within the US if you prefer). Great flavor, easy to build, can sub-ohm and do DL, or you can drop a 1.4-1.8Ω coil in there, spin the AFC to almost closed, and presto, there ya go, great flavor and MTL action.

I'm not dissing the Kabuki, I love 'em, but the whole point of the tank is, it's convenient. That's actually a central point of Zen's marketing for the tank. Here, let him tell you in the opening paragraph of his marketing: house of hybrids.

Obviously he believes in what he's saying, because he's never released a RBA deck for the Kabuki tanks.

So very true, schismz. The original point of the Kabuki was a marvelously flavorful (and pastably newb) tank that did it all with the convenience of the "best" tasting coils available.

I can understand people wanting to rebuild their own rather than pay thru the nostrils for factories, but in my most humble estimation, the VVVVTF (whatevs) didn't pin the tail on that donkey.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Exactly, Kat, which is why I bought a Kabuki and ProVari for my missus. I wanted something that was a trouble free setup to get her off the cigs. The VV TF's I purchased to amuse myself. I didn't intend to rile folks up.

@GeekyGeezer please take a few minutes to read my blog entry on clones.
Clones | E-Cigarette Forum
...and while reading it, consider that Zen also made Genisis atomizers and services ZNA clones. Choose your moral high ground carefully.

 

[Katdarling]

Kat, unriled, PoM, truly. I have no wire in this fight at all.

I don't like the little buggers, but so what! What does that even matter to those who do. I'm impressed beyond impressed with those who can take the time and trouble to make them work.

But for me? Easy peazy slea......

Trouble free for me, as well. Key.

 

[GeekyGeezer]

Exactly, Kat, which is why I bought a Kabuki and ProVari for my missus. I wanted something that was a trouble free setup to get her off the cigs. The VV TF's I purchased to amuse myself. I didn't intend to rile folks up.

@GeekyGeezer please take a few minutes to read my blog entry on clones.
Clones | E-Cigarette Forum
...and while reading it, consider that Zen also made Genisis atomizers and services ZNA clones. Choose your moral high ground carefully.

OK, so I read it.

As for Zen, it has nothing to do with morality. You only related part of the story. Zen serviced ZNA clones because A: He was happy to get more people off cigarettes by any means possible, and B: If they were carrying around something that looked like a ZNA he wanted them to work like one too. And the statement that he rebuilt them "but for a price" is amazing. I took it as "yeah, look at that pig grubbing all the money he can". But again, why shouldn't someone be rewarded for their work?

You think clones are acceptable. I think they're theft.
You think intellectual property is worthless. I don't.
You think "I can get it cheaper, and it looks just the same" is a good decision.

From what I can tell, asian society does not even recognize a thing such as counterfeiting exists. That doesn't mean we have to throw away hundreds of years of history and think that way also.

You know, you can buy an almost perfect copy of a Ford F150 in China. About the only thing different is the badging. Ford was not involved in any way in its manufacture. So if it met US safety standards, you could buy one. Would you buy one to see if you should buy a new Ford truck? Or maybe to start buying Ford parts over the counter so you could say you had one just like the original? Or because you don't want to pay the price that Ford charges everybody else?

I wouldn't pay much attention either way when you tell me Ford pickups are great or totally junk

That's it for me. We're not going to change each others' minds so we can agree to disagree.

 

[PLANofMAN]

The Z-Atty Pro uses a patented stolen concept. You cannot judge me for buying a clone and not judge Zen for stealing a patented atomizer design.

It's a double standard, and I do respect intellectual property. It's called patent your stuff or see it get legally copied.

You've put a lot of words in my mouth in your post that I don't agree with.

...
You think clones are acceptable. I think they're theft.
You think intellectual property is worthless. I don't.
You think "I can get it cheaper, and it looks just the same" is a good decision.
...

Except "clones are acceptable."
Without clones, millions of people would still be smoking. And that is the bottom line for me.

...and that will my last comment in this thread on this topic.

 

[schismz]

and this is coming from someone who used to do the blue aquarium foam + straw mod in cartos circa 1492 or so

You, too, Columbo?

We've come a long way.

 

[iBloke]

LOLz it's been a hoot reading the replies, both positive and negative to this frustratingly tiny and difficult to build VVTF (or W T F) rba

Yeah I get that the Kabuki is a tank favoured for it's simplicity and Flavour.

I Absolutely Get that most Kabuki users just wanna screw in a new coil and puff away...I'd love to do the same myself. And that's one of the main reasons I bought the Kabuki in the first place..for the flavour, and that option..

But once again I'll say, at $3.50 AUS per Nauti coil that only lasts me around 3 days max before bad burnt taste (sometimes only 24 hours. Incredibly inconsistent!) it was gunna cost me a minimum of $400+ AUS per year on coils alone.
$400+ AUS per year!
That's a LOT of wire and wick!

I didn't know that before I spent $124 AUS + shipping on the Kabuki tank, a tank that was highly recommended here on ECF.
I expected to get at least a week out of a coil. (I get 2+ weeks out of my stock kanger OCC coils for similar price, and not much worse flavour) A week out of a coil isn't too much to ask..right?

So I ponied up the measly sum of $11 AUS for this tiny little rba, successfully built a coil/wick on it..albeit with a little initial frustration I admit, and have been vaping over 3 days so far with no problems, and no burnt taste.
(and no leaking, weeping, or anything negative..so far)

This was my first build on this flea sized deck and I know I can improve on my first attempt the next time.
And I'll also be trying a vertical coil build, which will involve a completely different wicking technique.
This is exciting for me!

I wish the stock nauti coils didn't cost so much down here in Australia, but they do.

I wish they lasted me longer than 3 days (at the recommended wattage range) before tasting burnt, but they don't, for me

Sooo, I spent my $124 AUS on a Kabuki tank, as recommended here on ECF, and found it fell short of my expectations from both a flavour, and ongoing maintenance cost perspective.

Love the build quality.

Love the look.

And Love that it was built in The USA!
That's a Huge deal for me!! (Support LOCAL manufacturing both Here in AUS And The USA!)

I'm happy to be the brunt of any ridicule for trying this tiny rba option..and expected nothing less LOL

But there are some who simply don't seem to "get" that there can be alternatives to make something work, that otherwise doesn't work for Others.

Light hearted ridicule and jest is More than Welcome.

But please ACCEPT we are Not All the same.