It's cool, I didn't think anything of it! We are having a conversation here, no apologies necessary! Besides, I was responding to Kat's comment! Lol
Anybody Using A Kabuki?
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It's cool, I didn't think anything of it! We are having a conversation here, no apologies necessary! Besides, I was responding to Kat's comment! Lol
I doubt WE would know. That is why I thought it might be time to possibly tweak the manufacture of the P3 threading on the Kabuki if it is what is causing the no-firing issues. I have no way of knowing if that is the problem. Perhaps the P3 on the Provi is the issue in some cases.
I'm sorry but I'm really lost here.
I'm sorry but I'm really lost here.
I actually agree with everything you typed!A paper gap?? LOL, no I don't have a paper gap.And if I did, I most likely would not focus on it. A major gap (what I call gaposis) can be bling fixed.
I had exactly one issue with connection. Once I tightened down the coil, it was vape vape vape all the way home. Then again, I do have both Kabuki with 510 connectors, and am not sure at this time if that points to the problem/solution.
Of course it doesn't feel that way, and of course all of us would love you (with probs) to have them fixed in a speedy manner. My point was that I have a feeling Zen will take this seriously, and make that happen.
I'm beginning to wonder if the manufacture of the P3 threading needs to be re-CNC'd... dunno.
Aren't you the lucky one then!
Yeah, the P3 threads and firing pin aren't all exactly up to the same tolerances. From what I understand, the rate is so miniscule, it's hardly worth mentioning. Just must be some kind of cosmic chance those of us who belong to the same thread with the same problem are in the same place...
Besides, ProVape can throw up their hands and exclaim they fire in a Nautilus!
I am too, at least somewhat.
Question for the P3 folks. Do the P3 Kabukis not have the same adjustable pin that we have with the 510s? I guess that's where I'm getting a bit fuzzy.
No. The coil/head makes the connection directly...
Ok, from what I have been told, the Kabuki was engineered to exact tolerances and those tolerances have changed in both the P3 AND Nautilus coils. The 510 Kabuki's have a adjustable contact pin and the Nautilus' have a spring...
I still can't stand the thought of going back to a Nautilus
All I will say is that after Mr. Zen re-machined my Kabuki base it has been performing flawlessly, on a recent trip to NH to visit family and friends, My Kabuki was a trusted one tank, one setup vape, and it went the whole week without a hiccup. And vaping flavorless, one coil went the distance, a first for me.
It's easy to give in to emotion when things aren't quite going our way, and in reality, the Kabuki P3 is a kind of hybrid connection to my thinking, and Zen only has control over his end of things. If there are variances in the coils, or the pin depth of the P3 connection, that incorporates two moving targets which HOH has absolutely no control over. Not an enviable position to be in as a product designer / manufacturer. My hat is off to Zen for even attempting to make this niche item available to us!
It's easy to give in to emotion when things aren't quite going our way, and in reality, the Kabuki P3 is a kind of hybrid connection to my thinking, and Zen only has control over his end of things. If there are variances in the coils, or the pin depth of the P3 connection, that incorporates two moving targets which HOH has absolutely no control over. Not an enviable position to be in as a product designer / manufacturer. My hat is off to Zen for even attempting to make this niche item available to us!
Thanks, Steve.
And you too,Gin.
I'm thrilled that the Nautilus still keeps me very happy. It only goes to show...
So I guess it's wait until Zen gets back and settled, so he can assess the issues. I'll stop posting junk now, since I've already done a marvelous job of muddying up the situation.
{Entering "wait" mode (and the crowd cheered)}
I think you said it all, ENAUD, and said it well. It's almost an impossible task to make this P3 connection be absolute.
And I feel for those of you who have that connector and still experiencing probs.
Kat, I did some playing around this morning, and as a result send ProVape a very long inquiry, which I won't bore everyone here with. Bottom line, my three P3 Kabukis work in my two Ti P3's and not in my three standard P3's. Using a digital caliper I measured the top cap on the Ti P3's at 1.53mm and the standard P3's at 1.55mm. I did it multiple times and came up with the same number each time.
My conclusion, and this is way past my skill at pushing words and numbers around, is ProVape didn't cut the threads far enough in the standard P3's. If ProVape would have gone just a tiny bit deeper, the Kabuki would sit tight on the top cap and the pins would make connection.
I agree about the absolute, there must have been a lot of these tanks sold however, how many, only HOH and Provape know, but only a few with problems. I think if it was a widespread problem, the forum would have been blasted with complaints. As the bell curve goes, there will always be outliers, I'm usually one of those " lucky" individuals. My gut sais the design was a pretty solid concept from the get go. It's just a bummer for those chosen few who wind up with the perfect storm of incompatibility.
Longo, sorry if someone already answered this. No adjustable pin on the P3 Kabuki because bottom of the coil is designed to touch the pin in the P3.
The easy fix for Zen in my case and in Cold's are just to send us 510 bases to replace our P3 bases. That fixes our problem. It would make our P3's slightly taller and we'd lose the advantage of the juice well being the top of the P3 rather than inside the Kabuki.
And he might need to just pull the P3 Kabuki from ProVape and sell the 510 version via ProVape just like he does with Mt Baker.
I think the P3 mounting system was a good idea that probably has gone nowhere. I do not believe Aspire is currently making the Nautilus P3, so that just leaves the Kabuki and the Kayfun 4 in P3 threading.
It's really going to be up to Provape to support the P3 threading, either by manufacturing their own atomizers, or sub-contracting others to make atomizers for them. And the specs they provide, and adhere to, will determine the viability of those tanks. It's their unique design, so the onus is really on them to support it, or not...@Blake360, @Vape360, @MonsterKenny...
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Does anyone remember reading about connection issues with P3 K4s or P3 Nautilus tanks? Is this why Aspire no longer makes P3 Nautilus tanks?
I really like the concept of p3 threading, but I think there will always be issues when using Disposable coils, which can be irregular...
I really like the concept of p3 threading, but I think there will always be issues when using Disposable coils, which can be irregular...
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