Anybody Using A Kabuki?

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Again, thank you for taking the time to reply, I seriously appreciate it.

My girlfriend uses a K4 w/P3 connector and gets the paper gap.

Let me reiterate, I get the paper gap WITHOUT A COIL IN THE BASE! In other words, I screw the P3 Kabuki base WITHOUT A COIL IN IT and no tank for that matter (again, JUST THE BASE WITH NO COIL), and I still get the paper gap.

That's two different P3's in our possession that have the paper gap, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH coils!

I hope we are not misunderstanding each other.

I know your time is valuable. I really appreciate you taking the time to come in here and reply.

EDIT: Neither of us a problem with the appearance of the paper gap, only if it affects functionality.

I smell what you are cooking.

I was referencing one situation we had seen and you were on the other end. :)

In that case where there is no coil that leaves just two variables left. Hard to say which one is the cause without looking at them. I'll have to check with Mike when he returns and see if there were any changes along the way.
 
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I'm not getting much sleep working day shift these days...
she looks like she'd be more satisfied with a beefy ProVari, rather than a skinny eGo. She held that eGo with 2 fingers, rather than wrapping her hand around it...
There you go, that's my boy!

Yeah, daze was always my worst shift, too. Always nodding off. I hated waking up in the morning (actually trying to sleep at night). Midnights was my best. I was the one wide awake doing the work! Good thing we worked a different shift every week (swing 7 daze on 2 daze off weekend 12's).
 
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There you go, that's my boy!

Yeah, daze was always my worst shift, too. Always nodding off. I hated waking up in the morning (actually trying to sleep at night). Midnights was my best. I was the one wide awake doing the work! Good thing we worked a different shift every week (swing 7 daze on 2 daze off weekend 12's).

I like 2nd shift. I can get to bed at 3-4am, still get plenty of sleep if I wake up at 9 or 10. Going to bed at midnight, waking up a few hours later because Sandra, Nikola, Pet'ulka, Sonya, Denisa, Petra or any other lady starts to message me, then sleeping for another hour and being at work at 7am is miserable. I haven't even hit on the sales ladies or receptionist yet I've been so tired...
 
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I smell what you are cooking.

I was referencing one situation we had seen and you were on the other end. :)

In that case where there is no coil that leaves just two variables left. Hard to say which one is the cause without looking at them. I'll have to check with Mike when he returns and see if there were any changes along the way.
"I smell what you are cooking." Lol I love it. May I use that one?

Thank you, sir.

Yeah, I'm going to level with you. I have 15 rebuilt coils I haven't used yet. 4 of them don't fire so I'm not sure how really worried I am about it except they last a really long time and are great so I want to use them. They fire in a Nautilus but I am spoiled by the Kabuki and don't want to go back. These are replacement bases and that fixed the problem of the old style coils not firing. I'm not really sure how much more can be shaved off the Kabuki bases without affecting performance. Given the fact Jackie has the same paper gap with her K4 [ P3 connector (no performance issues)], leads me to believe it's the P3 threading and/or firing pin.

Please, don't get me wrong. If you follow my posts you will see how much I love and give credit to ProVape and HOH. I want to continue using the Kabuki and don't see us using anything other than a ProVari, EVER!

We watch PBusardo videos for educational purposes and to stay informed. With every video, we are ever more happy we have and have used ProVari's since 2012. We just smile, shake our heads and say to each other, "Good thing we have ProVari's!"
 

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I like 2nd shift. I can get to bed at 3-4am, still get plenty of sleep if I wake up at 9 or 10. Going to bed at midnight, waking up a few hours later because Sandra, Nikola, Pet'ulka, Sonya, Denisa, Petra or any other lady starts to message me, then sleeping for another hour and being at work at 7am is miserable. I haven't even hit on the sales ladies or receptionist yet I've been so tired...
That's why I say it was a good thing we worked a different shift every week. On afternoons, when I was single and still drank, I would close the bar, perhaps meet a new friend and still make it to work. On Daze is when I got my business matters taken care (afternoons, too). Midnights was my favorite because I'm a Vampire.

Well, gonna go hang out with Jackie on the XBOne!
 
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That's why I say it was a good thing we worked a different shift every week. On afternoons, when I was single and still drank, I would close the bar, perhaps meet a new friend and still make it to work. On Daze is when I got my business matters taken care (afternoons, too). Midnights was my favorite because I'm a Vampire.

Well, gonna go hang out with Jackie on the XBOne!

I can't stay up all night anymore, unless I have a lady, or 3 to keep me crisp...
 
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Well, there were 3 engineers and me in the room, so it took 4 hours- we were down all day due to a power failure in our phase 3 power line to the building, so I went home to get the Kabuki and problem attys. We ended up encasing the base in an acrylic pod so we could attach it to the diamond polisher and set it to rough polish for 1.5 minutes, measured and tested, then another 1.5 minutes with a soft polish pad. 0.004 came off at the end...
The engineers are all vapers.
I wanted to take pictures, but it is an ITAR facility, so no phones in the building...

Wow! Thanks for doing this and thank the other guys too. I hope Zen sees this when he gets back.
 

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Well, there were 3 engineers and me in the room, so it took 4 hours- we were down all day due to a power failure in our phase 3 power line to the building, so I went home to get the Kabuki and problem attys. We ended up encasing the base in an acrylic pod so we could attach it to the diamond polisher and set it to rough polish for 1.5 minutes, measured and tested, then another 1.5 minutes with a soft polish pad. 0.004 came off at the end...
The engineers are all vapers.
I wanted to take pictures, but it is an ITAR facility, so no phones in the building...
Is that 0.004 of a inch?
 

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My theory is sanding down the base of the Kabuki will let it go down farther into the P3 for the ones with a gap, which would thus lower the tip of the atty and make a connection, rather than re-tapping the threading where the atty screws into...
I had a team of guys working on this at work today, including engineers and the gap has been eliminated. Problem attys tested and no more issues...

I thought the same thing when I originally saw the gap on my KF4. Just to reiterate what I said previously, I would be very careful with cutting/sanding anything down. Take some measurements first. I haven't actually measured the P3 connection on the Kabuki, but just eyeballing it, it looks to be the same as the P3 connection on the KF v4. Of course, eyebelling it isn't likely to pick up the .008 difference in my measurement reference (below). If that's truely the case, the atty is not bottoming out in the well of the P3. The problem is the treads on some (80% for me) P3s aren't cut deep enough and are also not undercut at the bottom.

The subject has been gone over pretty thoroughly in the SvoёMesto KAYFUN 4 thread.

Here's a ref. for some measurements that were taken.
 
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I thought the same thing when I originally saw the gap on my KF4. Just to reiterate what I said previously, I would be very careful with cutting/sanding anything down. Take some measurements first. I haven't actually measured the P3 connection on the Kabuki, but just eyeballing it, it looks to be the same as the P3 connection on the KF v4. Of course, eyebelling it isn't likely to pick up the .008 difference in my measurement reference (below). If that's truely the case, the atty is not bottoming out in the well of the P3. The problem is the treads on some (80% for me) P3s aren't cut deep enough and are also not undercut at the bottom.

The subject has been gone over pretty thoroughly in the SvoёMesto KAYFUN 4 thread.

Here's a ref. for some measurements that were taken.

The issue with mine was that the connector itself was too deep to allow the Kabuki base to bottom out, thus the gap. We didn't want to mess with the ProVari even if the issue was there, as we wanted to retain the tolerances of the ProVari, so other tanks would work as intended. My Kabuki makes 3 complete turns on the threads before it bottoms out. The tricky part was sanding the connector on the Kabuki down perfectly level, as if there were any lateral movement the threads would have been damaged...
 

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The issue with mine was that the connector itself was too deep to allow the Kabuki base to bottom out, thus the gap. We didn't want to mess with the ProVari even if the issue was there, as we wanted to retain the tolerances of the ProVari, so other tanks would work as intended. My Kabuki makes 3 complete turns on the threads before it bottoms out. The tricky part was sanding the connector on the Kabuki down perfectly level, as if there were any lateral movement the threads would have been damaged...
So, what yer sayin is...

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So, what yer sayin is...

My rat tail file ain't gonna werk?


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It may. Engineers like to make things out to be more complicated than they really are. Rather than a file, we had to get the diamond polisher and acrylic molds involved...

There's an old German tale of engineers who were put in a hole with a bunch of wood, shovels and picks, a ladder and tools. They took apart the ladder and made a table to draw out schematics and plans for their escape. They ended up digging a tunnel at an angle and braced it with the wood until they reached the surface. They could have just used the ladder to get out...
 

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It may. Engineers like to make things out to be more complicated than they really are. Rather than a file, we had to get the diamond polisher and acrylic molds involved...

There's an old German tale of engineers who were put in a hole with a bunch of wood, shovels and picks, a ladder and tools. They took apart the ladder and made a table to draw out schematics and plans for their escape. They ended up digging a tunnel at an angle and braced it with the wood until they reached the surface. They could have just used the ladder to get out...
I've hand planed a bunch of things, with the sandpaper adhered to a very flat surface. You just swirl the part in figure eights, then opposite figure eights, and keep changing where you grasp the item every few revolutions. You can also alternate circular strokes while changing directions. If you are very attentive and consistent while doing this, you can achieve a relatively accurate cut of material, as long as you keep even pressure, and insure that your item stays perpendicular to the cutting surface, assuming a 90 degree cut. My father taught me to use lapping plates as a boy, a very flat piece of hardened steel with grooves cut into it. A polishing or cutting compound is slathered onto the plate and the parts are cut and polished as I described. When you described your situation and the modification to your base and the engineers involved, these things came to mind :)
 

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The issue with mine was that the connector itself was too deep to allow the Kabuki base to bottom out, thus the gap. We didn't want to mess with the ProVari even if the issue was there, as we wanted to retain the tolerances of the ProVari, so other tanks would work as intended. My Kabuki makes 3 complete turns on the threads before it bottoms out. The tricky part was sanding the connector on the Kabuki down perfectly level, as if there were any lateral movement the threads would have been damaged...
A skewed base, provided it is short enough, would not cause a tilted P3 tank.


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A skewed base, provided it is short enough, would not cause a tilted P3 tank.


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It may not thread if you accidentally cut into a thread on a grinder at 150 rpm. by not having the base level. It's why we didn't hand grind it. A slip may have ruined the base. The diamond polisher has an arm which comes down onto the rotating pad perfectly level and grinds flat, which is why we encased the base in an acrylic pod, which we clipped onto the frame on the polisher. I'm sure a machine shop has the correct equipment, but we make circuit boards, not do metal fabrication...
 
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