Anyone else feel like Mt BakerVapor is just so- so?

[Arnie H]

Some things you will like, others you will not. Always try to experience something before passing judgement. Your words will carry more weight and then you can say "I've tried it, I do/do not like it".

I've never tried MBV, but generally speaking Cinnamon and Menthol have greater natural throat hits.

 

[kelli]

And my only issue with your position is the bizarre assumption that if you don't happen to perceive something, then it couldn't possibly exist!

I mean, really: How "boorishly naive" and "needlessly arrogant" is that?

To require evidence before accepting a claim is only rational. To assert that higher prices constitute evidence of higher quality is naive.

suddenly i feel like i'm in the OUTSIDE.

 

[ckquatt]

I bought 4-5 as a sample for my first order from MBV and it was hit and miss. The Tropic Thunder was great! Razzleberry Pie tastes like vegtables, and the Thug juice tastes like pickle juice and menthol. But I think that maybe me. Sometimes artificial watermelon tastes like that to me sometimes. The sticky bun is awesome! I guess I'm in the middle as far as if they're a great store or not.

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[SPmick]

the price is what got me to go back to MBV not the product..not to mention the fast shipping..overall i would have to say it's a middle of the road vendor. just my 2 cents

 

[Kropotkin]

To require evidence before accepting a claim is only rational. To assert that higher prices constitute evidence of higher quality is naive.

I never said that, and neither did anybody else.

What some have said is that they themselves perceive a difference between bargain brands and others.

For example, I myself detect a soapy, unpleasant taste in all of MBV's products, and something even worse - soap mixed with motor oil, maybe? - in everything from ECBlends. I have no idea where this soapy taste comes from, and I have no idea whether other bargain brands contain it. I do, however, perceive it in those two, and have never perceived it elsewhere.

So. What do you say?

I must be lying about this to appear "a cut above," right? I don't really taste soap, or oil, or chemicals; I just want to spend a lot of extra money so I can impress a bunch of strangers on the interwebz who I'll never meet in real life if I live to be 107.



Very rational analysis there, Comrade.

 

[kelli]

this thread should probably be closed before it becomes really contentious for no good reason. we are all on the same side here, just different viewpoints on a few things. i think it's run its course tho.

 

[Kropotkin]

LOL.

I'll quit now. Don't panic.

 

[kelli]

LOL.

I'll quit now. Don't panic.

too late.....

 

[DustyZ]

this thread should probably be closed before it becomes really contentious for no good reason. we are all on the same side here, just different viewpoints on a few things. i think it's run its course tho.

Threads such as these serve no good purpose at all other then to allows for people to bash and come up with all sorts of subjective statements, some of which only serve to perpetuate drivel!

 

[kelli]

just to wrap things up....i think many of these type threads are started by hit-and-run troll types. they post something controversial, then sit back and watch the fun (?) without any further participation. basically we are mice who took the bait. and if it causes hurt feelings and harsh exchanges.....well, then, mission accomplished.

 

[Fulgurant]

I never said that, and neither did anybody else.

What some have said is that they themselves perceive a difference between bargain brands and others.

For example, I myself detect a soapy, unpleasant taste in all of MBV's products, and something even worse - soap mixed with motor oil, maybe? - in everything from ECBlends. I have no idea where this soapy taste comes from, and I have no idea whether other bargain brands contain it. I do, however, perceive it in those two, and have never perceived it elsewhere.

So. What do you say?

I must be lying about this to appear "a cut above," right? I don't really taste soap, or oil, or chemicals; I just want to spend a lot of extra money so I can impress a bunch of strangers on the interwebz who I'll never meet in real life if I live to be 107.



Very rational analysis there, Comrade.

Your subjective preferences (perceptions) are not at issue. But you have implied that there are objective differences in the quality of various juices to justify their price differences. For that claim, there is little, if any, evidence.

You wanna vape expensive juices? More power to you. I do it too, as noted previously. You dislike MBV? Fine -- tastes vary, which is another principle I acknowledged previously and in clear English.

But if you're gonna argue that MBV = fast food, and higher-priced vendors equal the finest restaurants in the world, then you're gonna need a little more evidence to support that claim than vague allusions to eye-dropper-sized quantities of "organic flavorings."

Now you seem content to pretend that you never made the claim, which I suppose is a form of progress.

 

[VegasDealer]

i like your post, fulg. i liken the situation to that in the world of coffee. it's all about packaging, promotion, image and marketing. starbucks to me taste terrible, but some people i think feel that they "have" to like it because it's expensive and trendy. ever walked into an upscale coffee shop where a cup cost $4 and up? the haughty pretentiousness practically radiates from the door as you walk in. and yes, maybe i am a reverse snob. guilty as charged. but i have pretty much had it up to here with socially superior people. they all poop and pee just like the rest of us. of course, i'm sure they use designer toilet paper. View attachment 265722

I work in Las Vegas and am a table games dealer. We have over-priced shows at the casino where I work and when the show lets out customers hit the table. When they start to comment on the show they just saw (and paid upwards of $200 a ticket for) and are saying it was a great show, I ask them, "was it really great, or are you just saying that to justify the price you just paid for the ticket and to make yourself feel better about it?" Then the body language says it all.

I read a post on this string which compared different levels of scotch. Well, what's the difference in the scotch they compared? The "age" of the scotch. The same manufacturer, the same ingredients to make it, but one was stored longer than the other and storage costs the manufacturer money a they must pay for the storage area and the methods by which it is stored. This is exactly why MBV is "inexpensive", because they do not store juice to let it steep to develop it's full flavor, as is done with aged scotch. MBV passes that onto the customer and lets them store the juice to let it properly age. MBV could consider aging its stock, as well as selling it fresh, and if they did this you would probably see a price increase in the properly aged juice from them. It just happens that they have so far chosen not to do this and pass the savings on to their customers.

I am a 100% DIYer and will ALWAYS let any and all juice steep, no matter who the vendor is. It requires this to allow the different ingredients to properly bond.

Taste is completely subjective, as is evidenced in my very own household. My wife must have menthol, I can't stand any menthol. Where she can taste subtle differences in my menthol mixes, all I can ever taste is menthol. She however has the ability to taste differences in non-menthol juices as well (and hates all of them without menthol) and can tell me if it has potential for her once menthol is added.

I do NOT think this thread is to bash MBV and as I have posted earlier I will be mixing up AND STEEPING a good number of their flavors and post my personal results here. I can tell you already that there will be some that I will not like, but I guarantee you there will be some that will become my ADV too (but then again I can't stand onions on/in anything and many people love onions on everything).

I will be here to give the opinion of my own taste buds and how they are affected and how I got there.

 

[Fulgurant]

I read a post on this string which compared different levels of scotch. Well, what's the difference in the scotch they compared? The "age" of the scotch. The same manufacturer, the same ingredients to make it, but one was stored longer than the other and storage costs the manufacturer money a they must pay for the storage area and the methods by which it is stored. This is exactly why MBV is "inexpensive", because they do not store juice to let it steep to develop it's full flavor, as is done with aged scotch. MBV passes that onto the customer and lets them store the juice to let it properly age. MBV could consider aging its stock, as well as selling it fresh, and if they did this you would probably see a price increase in the properly aged juice from them. It just happens that they have so far chosen not to do this and pass the savings on to their customers.

MBV doesn't pre-steep juices because they offer a crapton of customization options, which means that the only practical solution is to mix the juice to order. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is in the eye of the beholder.

I appreciate your other thoughts, though. Well stated.

 

[VegasDealer]

this thread should probably be closed before it becomes really contentious for no good reason. we are all on the same side here, just different viewpoints on a few things. i think it's run its course tho.

Agreed. I will post my MBV mixing results on a NEW THREAD with a NEW TITLE starting tomorrow (going offline in a few minutes for the rest of the day)

 

[kelli]

Agreed. I will post my MBV mixing results on a NEW THREAD with a NEW TITLE starting tomorrow (going offline in a few minutes for the rest of the day)

will look forward to that.

 

[DustyZ]

MBV doesn't pre-steep juices because they offer a crapton of customization options, which means that the only practical solution is to mix the juice to order. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is in the eye of the beholder.

I appreciate your other thoughts, though. Well stated.

Personally for me it's a good thing, I like the ability to choose my options as I like my mixes at 50/50 or 65/35 and like the extra flavors shots as I have issues with my sinuses which does in fact limit my sensitivity to flavors so the stronger the better. Choices are always a good thing. I have seen threads where people were actually complaining about the extras choices that were available, which to me makes absolutely no sense at all, but as has been said "You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time." Somebody is always going to find a reason to complain or find fault with something. As sad as it is, it's human nature!

 

[kelli]

i'd like to complain about your avatar, dusty. it frightens me.

 

[ut1205]

Ever seen the commercial where people have just had a steak at what appears to be a "High End" restaurant and then the guy comes out and tells them the steaks are from Walmart. That's the way I feel about juice vendors.

I only have two vendors, MBV and a local B&M. The local B&M has probably 30-40 flavors and I have only found two that I like. I went there with a list to "retry" to find one more that I liked. They are $7.99 per 15ml or three for $19.99. Could not even find one that I could justify buying so I came home with one bottle of one of my favorites. Price matters in some thing but not so much with juice.

 

[bshm]

I don't think I care for butter taste in a liquid at least not very much of it.

Anyway, I agree with those who say that these need steeping cause that seems to have worked out my issues with most of the flavors I've tried from MBV. I'm definitely getting more White Out, Johnny Chimpo, and the Moo/Blue Juices.

Ginger is a trip, it's like pickled ginger. I really like ginger and am looking for more of a ground ginger but it's still worth having around.

 

[DustyZ]

i'd like to complain about your avatar, dusty. it frightens me. View attachment 265853

lol, good, then it's doing what it's supposed to do! Muhahahahahaha!