Anyone else feel like Mt BakerVapor is just so- so?

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Barbara21

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...but to say that the newborn e-juice market bears any resemblance to the thousand-year-old restaurant industry strikes me as rather presumptuous. There is no obvious difference in the quality of different vendors' e-juice ingredients; the ingredients are dirt cheap across the board. Hell, 90% of the ingredients are flat-out identical. And there is no measurable difference in the quality of the recipes, or in the amount/quality of labor involved to mix them.
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My family has owned restaurants in the past and I would have to disagree with those statements.

You can take two different cooks, put them in identical kitchens with identical supplies, and they will come up with different things. You can even have them make the same thing (let's say chocolate cake) and there's no question that the two cakes will be different.

The ability and experience of the cook makes a huge difference.
 

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My family has owned restaurants in the past and I would have to disagree with those statements.

You can take two different cooks, put them in identical kitchens with identical supplies, and they will come up with different things. You can even have them make the same thing (let's say chocolate cake) and there's no question that the two cakes will be different.

The ability and experience of the cook makes a huge difference.

Absolutely. But is there any good reason to believe that the "cook" of the more expensive e-juice has more ability or experience? The very reason I took issue with the restaurant analogy is that I agree with your sentiment: a Michelin-star chef is a vastly different beast from a fast-food cook. Reasonable people may disagree about whether world-class cuisine is overpriced, but at least there's no mystery as to why it costs several times more than mass-market food.

The chef's greater experience and training (training derived from hundreds of years of collective cooking experience) are but the tip of the iceberg. The ingredients are usually more expensive, too. The recipes are obviously more intricate and more skillfully executed. The service is more polished and extensive. And so on and so forth. The difference between Wendy's and a world-class restaurant is about as clear as you can get.

Compare that obvious dichotomy with the divide between expensive and lower priced e-juice vendors. Or better yet, don't even try, because it's a fruitless effort. Ultimately all we have as e-juice consumers are our own subjective preferences and whatever vague assurances the vendor proffers regarding the quality of his products' ingredients -- except that the cost difference between two tiny samples of food flavor, regardless of their relative quality, can't possibly account for a $10-20 difference in the price of a 30 mL bottle.

Not even remotely; flavoring ain't liquid gold. And since the e-juice industry is literally a handful of years old, there's no reasonable expectation that vendors' claims with regard to their superior mixology experience or flavor profiling skill have any validity.

Now, does any of the above mean that expensive juices are objectively overpriced? No, of course not. Vendors are entitled to charge whatever they like, and consumers are free to decide whether those prices are reasonable. I'd just caution the newbies out there not to assume that you'll get what you pay for in the e-juice market. It's not necessarily true -- arguably less true in the newborn e-juice market than in any other context. A vaper's tastebuds have countless disappointments awaiting them at every price point.
 
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I think the trick is often in the number of extra flavor shots.

Banana flavors always seem pretty weak in general, so I tried their Banana; 3x, 80/20; 2x, 65/35; 1.8%. The banana flavor itself was pretty good, but I'd give it a 3 out of 5 because there is a slight hint of an unpleasant aftertaste... Lemon Tea is OK.

On the other hand, also tried MBV Cafe Coffee 2x fresh out of the mail. I think it would have been better with no extra shots, so that's on me. Flavor had the well known burnt popcorn undertone, like that taste of a quarter pot that has set on the warmer for half a day. Letting it age for a month to see if it improves. I'll order it again down the road with the stock flavoring.

On a side note, just got a bottle of Backwoods Brew Espresso, based on the recommendations here. First impressions are pretty good, very slight popcorn note, but in fairness I've yet to find anything that tastes like a real coffee bean. The only coffee I would recommend to a friend at this point is V2, but it is a mild flavor.
 
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For example, I myself detect a soapy, unpleasant taste in all of MBV's products, and something even worse - soap mixed with motor oil, maybe? - in everything from ECBlends. I have no idea where this soapy taste comes from, and I have no idea whether other bargain brands contain it. I do, however, perceive it in those two, and have never perceived it elsewhere.

Interesting, I have noted a soapy after taste in one e-liquid. I do not know what causes it, perhaps a chemical reaction. There must be a scientific explanation for it.
 

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they are the only vendor that I know of that sells large bottles of premade juice cheap; I tried a good number of their fruity flavors, they were all either "ok" or "good", with the exception of Extreme Ice and Hawaiian Punch. Extreme Ice is the best e-liquid ever, my wife tends to agree. Needs no steeping and the 236ml bottle is ready to go out of the box and lasts the wife and I 5 months.

I nearly gagged on Hawaiian Punch and steeping it doesn't do a thing.

I had a very negative experience with them recently and am shopping for a new e-liquid vendor that sells these large 236ml / 8oz bottles of juice at a similar price. Any suggestions?
 

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I ordered recently, let my juices steep for a few weeks and I even had extra shots of flavor. I use a vision v2 ego clearomizer on a ego battery. I get great flavor and thick vapor from my TW juice and vaperite juices, but my MBV is just mediocre. I usually love cola, theirs is not very lovable. strawberry it's alright they're menthol taste like strong ... medicine. idk. I don't get great throat hit or vapor, the flavor is ok. I don't think I'll re order. it's a shame, the prices are great so it's the service. but maybe you get what you pay for? I ordered because of all the great reviews and positive posts. but I was disappointed.

It's not like that at all..... In this case you get more than what you pay for. I'll agree, not all their juices are great but I have so many favorites from them that I had to post. I understand you may have been disappointed with a few flavors but they are a good place to buy juice for a very reasonable price.
 

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So-so? I don't think so at all. If you find a flavor you really like at MBV's then try to find it cheaper. I really love their cinnamon roll and have ordered the 30ml bottle then moved up to ordering 2 50ml bottles at a time. What I did do was purchase 1oz glass bottles and I put my juices which come in plastic bottles into the glass bottles. To me they hold the flavor longer and I'm not concerned about any harm from the plastic. I also just use glass clearomizers to vape them in.
 

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I'm also not a fan of Mt Baker. I've recently bought over $100 of their juices, thinking I couldn't go wrong with so many fans raving about it... I should have bought 2-3 only to try! Even with 1 week steeping, to me all of them taste nasty, very chemical. Can't stand to vape them. :-(

Let them steep, they are made to order!
 

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I'm also not a fan of Mt Baker. I've recently bought over $100 of their juices, thinking I couldn't go wrong with so many fans raving about it... I should have bought 2-3 only to try! Even with 1 week steeping, to me all of them taste nasty, very chemical. Can't stand to vape them. :-(

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I cannot believe there is a entire thread bashing a vendor much less MBV.
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As to the post I have quoted. The way I understand your post, You really bought $100 of liquid without trying any of them first? Wow, that is something I certainly wouldn't do with any product much less something as subjective as taste.

As someone who has ordered quite a few times from MBV but generally they are smaller orders trying new flavors. The MBV crew is always very helpful in filling a free sample request also. A FREE 15ml SAMPLE that you can request pg/vg ratio, nic level AND flavor shots. Nuff said!

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I can say that not all of them are a home run. But I can also say that 85-90% of them are for me at least. Not bad %'s if you ask me.
 
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I'm also not a fan of Mt Baker. I've recently bought over $100 of their juices, thinking I couldn't go wrong with so many fans raving about it... I should have bought 2-3 only to try! Even with 1 week steeping, to me all of them taste nasty, very chemical. Can't stand to vape them. :-(

If you pay a little closer attention, the bulk of the fans raving about them are still relatively new to the vaping thing. When I first started, MBV was my go-to vendor because they were cheap, they had every flavor imaginable, and their shipping was quick.

But as I started branching out and trying other vendors, I quickly realized there were much, much better options out there. Some cost a little more and I had to wait a little longer, but in the end, they were much more satisfying than MBV.

I'm not knocking MBV. For noobs, they're probably the best juice vendor out there. Quick and cheap. But that being said, you get what you pay for. If all you've ever vaped is MBV, you might want to stretch your wings and try a few other vendors.

I, like many others, have outgrown them and have moved on. But they're still the cheapest and quickest vendor of e-juice I've ever known.
 

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I was really excited about butterscotch from them. Two weeks of steeping it still has a perfumy/chemical taste. I'll re-visit it in a month or two and see if it got better.

I haven't tried the Bavarian cream and whipped cream, or moo juice I also got from them because I figure they'll also need a nice long steep too.

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I have purchased ejuice from many vendors but Mt Baker VApor is the only one I have ever reordered from. I also DIY most of the ejuice wife and I use and yes I purchase some flavor concentrates from MBV as well as from their supplier ( Flavor West) ,from TFA , Loranns Totally Wicked and a few others.

My most recent ready to vape non MBV juice was Boba's Bounty from Alien Visions and to be perfectly honest and frank I do not care for it. Does that mean it is not a great vape when many rave about it , no only that I do not care for it.

Taste is subjective . last evening I grilled $20 worth of $9 a pound steaks on a chunk charcoal fire , wife made a salad and baked potatoes. We truely enjoyed them but many do not like any kind of meat at all.

This morning I made another 30 ml bottle of Blu Bacco using MBV flavor concentrate for my wife as her 30 ml. bottle made a little over a week ago was getting low.
 

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and they just keep piling it on. i always wonder how people know what stuff like poop, hair spray, and motor oil tastes like. no proper fetchin' up, apparently. probably ate lead paint too. yum-smiley.gif

you haters can really give it a rest now. we get the point. guess what? we don't care anymore. more MBV juice for us. now just go away .....please!roll-eye-smiley.gif
 

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If you pay a little closer attention, the bulk of the fans raving about them are still relatively new to the vaping thing. When I first started, MBV was my go-to vendor because they were cheap, they had every flavor imaginable, and their shipping was quick.

But as I started branching out and trying other vendors, I quickly realized there were much, much better options out there. Some cost a little more and I had to wait a little longer, but in the end, they were much more satisfying than MBV.

I'm not knocking MBV. For noobs, they're probably the best juice vendor out there. Quick and cheap. But that being said, you get what you pay for. If all you've ever vaped is MBV, you might want to stretch your wings and try a few other vendors.

I, like many others, have outgrown them and have moved on. But they're still the cheapest and quickest vendor of e-juice I've ever known.


from your condescending demeanor, this is what i gather....


noobies = stupid

veterans = brilliant

cheap = bad

pricey = good

yeah yea, heard it all a gazillion times already. yapyapyap-smiley.gif

would a mod PLEASE shut down this hate fest thread already????
 
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I'm also not a fan of Mt Baker. I've recently bought over $100 of their juices, thinking I couldn't go wrong with so many fans raving about it... I should have bought 2-3 only to try! Even with 1 week steeping, to me all of them taste nasty, very chemical. Can't stand to vape them. :-(

1 week hasn't been long enough for most of the MBV's I've gotten. Also, have you periodically aired them out (squeezed the air out and let fresh air back in a couple of times) and shaken them (well, I use high-vg so it's more like "flipping them upside down and back").

I do agree that they can taste very chemical when they're too young. Objectionably so. But put them on the back shelf for a bit and try again. If you got a lot of flavors (rather than a few large bottles) I bet you'll find something in there that you wind up liking, at least enough to vape them.

No guarantees, of course, but I have found that MBV juices really do get better with aggressive aging. And darnit! This thread got me to make another order from them despite my "cool-off" vow, and I still didn't get the ginger! (Do they have a wasabi-soy to go with it?)
 

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Hrm. I never bashed them. In fact, I praised them. All I said was I outgrew them, and explained why. If you look at my past posts, I've never bashed MBV. I've always made sure to promote the fact that they're probably the best choice for noob vapers.

Noob does not equal stupid. I never said that. I was a noob, once, too. I understand the term "noob" can be taken out of context, but in this case, it wasn't derogatory.

And I never said "cheap = bad", I said you get what you pay for. If it satisfies you, it satisfies you.
 
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