Anyone here catch flack for vaping at work / in public?

[Zogem]

if i got flack from my job about vaping i would tell them then hire someone that can do my job... enough said..

i can replace my job not my life... vape or die its your choice...

Sorry, I guess I don't get this.

There are countless of reasonable thinking people that manage to hold down jobs, with out the ability to smoke.

This post is the exact entelment mentallity I posted above. Enjoy it, be happy you are doing something better, but don't make it a do or die crusade. Save that energy for if/when this the 'gubment' bureaucracy.

 

[Iffy]

Sorry, I guess I don't get this.

Everyone doesn't think like you...?

 

[Zogem]

Everyone doesn't think like you...?

I should hope not..the world would be a very boring place if we all thought the same.

Additional input would be welcome.

The response was due to the basic premise of 'let me vape, or fire me', at least as I read it. Just trying to grasp and perhaps, understand that mindset, especially since I'm already on the other side of the fence by some accords by respecting other peoples personal space..

Forums are for discussion, feel free to do so.

 

[wv2win]

Frankly, If I can't smoke somewhere, I don't vape there either.

Here comes my outspoken self

Everyone who transitioned from smoking to vaping is generally in agreement that they are a lot better off. It's only logical given all the crap in modern processed tobacco. Congrats to everyone for no longer willfully ingesting cyanide and industrial solvents. That's all good.

Unfortunately, that seems, in some cases to give a false sense of entitlement, most based on logical fallacies apparrently hinging on "I was emitting 4300 toxins, now I'm not; so don't worry about it".

As far a I know there is no research that says that my exhaled vape has ZERO, and I mean ZERO, not marginal, second hand impact. Until there is, I consider my vape an intrusion into someone else's personal space. That, and someone just might not like the smell of my mix.

Ergo, I do it where it would be generally be allowed, and simply don't stealth.

Those working diligently to ban vaping completely love this mindset. It is exactly their rationale as to why vaping should be banned and stopped. The head of ASH has used this same position successfully with numerous elected officals to get them on board the "ban vaping" train.

 

[orkira]

I get more questions about what I am doing then get ridiculed for vaping in public.

 

[Iffy]

Additional input would be welcome.

If you're really interested, drop down to POST #17.

As far as work, da boss is da boss.

Forums are for discussion...

What a novel idea...

 

[Zogem]

Those working diligently to ban vaping completely love this mindset. It is exactly their rationale as to why vaping should be banned and stopped. The head of ASH has used this same position successfully with numerous elected officals to get them on board the "ban vaping" train.

Fine, you dislike the mindset.

But, tell me on a technical basis, why the mindset is, in fact, wrong. Wanting reality does not make it so.

Give me something verbatuim as to why the person sitting 3 feet away from me at work, has ZERO (again ZERO, not minimal) impact on my vaping.

Sorry, it can't be done, at least at this point in time.

I'm all about fighting for my rights, constitutional and otherwise, but not the ones that do not provide salient recourse.

Winning the war means focusing on the right battle, or as Sun Tzu says in "the art of war" the best battle is the one not fought.

If the CASAA is worried about 'freedom of vape' with disregard to other peoples rights, they might be working in the wrong direction.

As I said before... no problem being outspoken.

 

[wv2win]

Fine, you dislike the mindset.

But, tell me on a technical basis, why the mindset is, in fact, wrong. Wanting reality does not make it so.

Give me something verbatuim as to why the person sitting 3 feet away from me at work, has ZERO (again ZERO, not minimal) impact on my vaping.

Sorry, it can't be done, at least at this point in time.

I'm all about fighting for my rights, constitutional and otherwise, but not the ones that do not provide salient recourse.

Winning the war means focusing on the right battle, or as Sun Tzu says in "the art of war" the best battle is the one not fought.

If the CASAA is worried about 'freedom of vape' with disregard to other peoples rights, they might be working in the wrong direction.

As I said before... no problem being outspoken.

Instead of adhereing to a mindset that supports ASH's position that vaping should be banned, maybe you should actually go to the CASAA web site and read the comments by noted health advocates such as Dr. Seigal and Bill Godshall on the safety of vaping to others.

Your position is unrealistic and is the same as the zealots at ASH.

 

[BraZeNisgod]

I'm still kind of new to this myself, but I want to give this a shot: Dual Coil 510 Tank Cartomizer

Looks like a great little tank for a box mod or even an eGo battery (or any other high capacity 510 battery).

OOOH thanks for the link, great price on a tank/carto combo!

 

[Drozd]

Fine, you dislike the mindset.

But, tell me on a technical basis, why the mindset is, in fact, wrong. Wanting reality does not make it so.

Give me something verbatuim as to why the person sitting 3 feet away from me at work, has ZERO (again ZERO, not minimal) impact on my vaping.

Sorry, it can't be done, at least at this point in time.

I'm all about fighting for my rights, constitutional and otherwise, but not the ones that do not provide salient recourse.

Winning the war means focusing on the right battle, or as Sun Tzu says in "the art of war" the best battle is the one not fought.

If the CASAA is worried about 'freedom of vape' with disregard to other peoples rights, they might be working in the wrong direction.

As I said before... no problem being outspoken.

how about the study that was done by OSHA years ago when ASH asked them to set guidelines about smoking in the workplace and the effects of second hand smoke...
and when they completed the study and released the results that showed that it would take 14,000 cigarettes in an enclosed 20x20 sealed room with no ventalation to even cross the PEL threshold of one of the chemicals in cig smoke (a chemical that ecigs don't contain).... ASH dropped the request..
(all the other chemicals were much higher and don't exist in ecigs)


now lets extrapolate to the other studies... the ones that either point toward nicotine being used to treat other diseases or the ones that indicate that the nic ontent in ecigs is less than in cigs or even that upward of 90% of the nic is absorbed by the vaper...or the ones that indicate that any nic that might be given off are less than the nic levels you would get by ingesting a dinner that includes tomatos, eggplant, or potatos?

in other words second hand smoke is a myth....second hand vape even less so...does the inanely obvious really have to be studied and proven?

As for secondhand smoke in the air, OSHA has stated outright that:

"Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)...It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded."
-Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting ...'t Sec'y, OSHA, To Leroy J Pletten, PHD, July 8, 1997

In 1999, comments were solicited by the government from an independent Public and Health Policy Research group, Littlewood & Fennel of Austin, Tx, on the subject of secondhand smoke.

Using EPA figures on the emissions per cigarette of everything measurable in secondhand smoke, they compared them to OSHA's PELs.

The following excerpt and chart are directly from their report and their Washington testimony:

CALCULATING THE NON-EXISTENT RISKS OF ETS

"We have taken the substances for which measurements have actually been obtained--very few, of course, because it's difficult to even find these chemicals in diffuse and diluted ETS.

"We posit a sealed, unventilated enclosure that is 20 feet square with a 9 foot ceiling clearance.

"Taking the figures for ETS yields per cigarette directly from the EPA, we calculated the number of cigarettes that would be required to reach the lowest published "danger" threshold for each of these substances. The results are actually quite amusing. In fact, it is difficult to imagine a situation where these threshold limits could be realized.

"Our chart (Table 1) illustrates each of these substances, but let me report some notable examples.

"For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes would be required to reach the lowest published "danger" threshold.

"For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes would be required.

"Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.

"At the lower end of the scale-- in the case of Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up simultaneously in our little room to reach the threshold at which they might begin to pose a danger.

"For Hydroquinone, "only" 1250 cigarettes are required. Perhaps we could post a notice limiting this 20-foot square room to 300 rather tightly-packed people smoking no more than 62 packs per hour?

"Of course the moment we introduce real world factors to the room -- a door, an open window or two, or a healthy level of mechanical air exchange (remember, the room we've been talking about is sealed) achieving these levels becomes even more implausible.

"It becomes increasingly clear to us that ETS is a political, rather than scientific, scapegoat."

Coming at OSHA from quite a different angle is litigator John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH).

Banzhaf is on record as wanting to remove healthy children from intact homes if one of their family smokes. He also favors national smoking bans both indoors and out throughout America, and has litigation kits for sale on how to get your landlord to evict your smoking neighbors.

Banzhaf originally wanted OSHA to ban smoking in all American workplaces.

It's not even that OSHA wasn't happy to play along; it's just that--darn it -- they couldn't find the real-world science to make it credible.

So Banzhaf sued them.

In response to Banzhaf's law suit they said the best they could do would be to set some official standards for permissible levels of smoking in the workplace.

Scaring Banzhaf, and Glantz and the rest of them to death.

Permissible levels? No, no. That would mean that OSHA, officially, said that smoking was permitted. That in fact, there were levels that were generally safe.

This so frightened Banzhaf that he dropped the case. Here are excerpts from his press release:

"ASH has agreed to dismiss its lawsuit against OSHA...to avoid serious harm to the non-smokers rights movement from adverse action OSHA had threatened to take if forced by the suit to do it....developing some hypothetical [ASH's characterization] measurement of smoke pollution that might be a better remedy than prohibiting smoking....[T]his could seriously hurt efforts to pass non-smokers' rights legislation at the state and local level...

Another major threat was that, if the agency were forced by ASH's suit to promulgate a rule regulating workplace smoking, [it] would be likely to pass a weak one.... This weak rule in turn could preempt future and possibly even existing non-smokers rights laws-- a risk no one was willing to take.

As a result of ASH's dismissal of the suit, OSHA will now withdraw its rule-making proceedings but will do so without using any of the damaging [to Anti activists] language they had threatened to include."
-ASH Nixes OSHA Suit To Prevent Harm To Movement

Looking on the bright side, Banzhaf concludes:

"We might now be even more successful in persuading states and localities to ban smoking on their own, once they no longer have OSHA rule-making to hide behind."

Once again, the Anti-Smoking Movement reveals that it's true motive is basically Prohibition (stopping smokers from smoking; making them "social outcasts") --not "safe air."

And the attitude seems to be, as Stanton Glantz says, if the science doesn't "help" you, don't do the science.

 

[mcdaddy74]

well at first my boss (he was a smoker as well) didnt like my vaping in the office , so i explained to him what it was and gave him one of my spare ego kits to test. Now he vapes as well.

 

[Digitaltitan]

I knew second hand smoke was Bull.... lol.

I hate political figures so much for giving ......s ammo to use when its all a blatant lie.

"Your second hand smoke is killing me"
"No, you being 400lbs is killing you"

 

[erock419]

I knew second hand smoke was Bull.... lol.

I hate political figures so much for giving ......s ammo to use when its all a blatant lie.

"Your second hand smoke is killing me"
"No, you being 400lbs is killing you"

HAHAHA! I completely agree. The second hand smoke argument is so full of crap. Unless you have asthma, leave the damn smokers alone.

I vape at work but I have my own office so no one really pays attention. Some fellow smokers have shown interest but no converts yet. I vape nearly all the time but I do still enjoy an analog once every couple days.

In public it seems like campus areas are more knowledgeable and accepting towards ecigs, including bars and restaurants. I don't feel the need to vape all the time so I haven't started vaping in a questionable location.

I think those who want to ban vaping don't know WTF they are talking about. It's all a smoke screen really (pun intended). There are much more important issues out there than smoking and vaping.

 

[rubi22]

I think the entire e-cig notion is becoming more well-known among people in general. I was in a club the other night vaping and a security guy started walking my way (I'm assuming to tell me to not smoke inside). Got about 10ft from me, started laughing and just turned around and let me carry on.

 

[alanselo]

Hi all. So far I haven't had any trouble about e-cigs, probably because I keep it low profile. On the other hand folks at work gave me a hard time because I smoked cigarrettes, they would say, you been out "camping" because of the smell.

Now that I vape they are tolerant of vaping and don't mind if I vape around them, co-workers, though I still try to be courteous and minimize my vaping around other folks. I do take every opportunity to "enlighten" those who still smoke cigarettes.

Since I now use a garage door opener, battery box mod, there is no question about it being a cigarette, and now brings me even more questions about e-cigs. I like that it does so I can erase the "gimmick" thoughts. I don't blame them though because I thought the same way about e-cigs for a long time. I am glad I finally took it seriously.

Just to impart some of my experiences regarding the tanks, and there are several styles to choose from, I do have 2 of the dual coil carto tanks and I love them. They are easy to use, easy to fill, and no more burnt/dry hits. The ones from madvapes are easy enough on the wallet to try. I have also made a couple of syringe tanks, 2 bucks or so. I use tanks on my e-go and other mods. Some folks say they lose flavor but I haven't had any problems with them. As cheap as they are especially the syringe ones, it can't hurt to try them.

Here is a link to the DIY syringe one. Some of them are pretty fancy and look good plus they are precision made art. Good luck to you.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-mods/222652-syringe-tank.html

 

[alanselo]

We can't educate anyone who is ...... at us. It is better to be cordial and respectful of others. We hurt our cause when we offend folks with our attitudes no matter how "wrong" they are or how "right" we are. I much rather leave the door open so someone can ask and then I can show them.

Works for me.

 

[McDougal]

HAHAHA! I completely agree. The second hand smoke argument is so full of crap. Unless you have asthma, leave the damn smokers alone.

I don't know about that. There are a lot of a------ smokers out there as well. Yes, it's very unlikely one will die or get cancer from second-hand smoke, but many people are allergic to smoke with and without asthma, as well as being a general irritant that also gets stuck in clothes, hair, etc. Even as a smoker, people who smoked everywhere and anywhere without being mindful of others made me cringe.

If one is a smoker, they are already more likely to have an inherent irrational behavior about it. That isn't to say there aren't irrational non-smokers who go overboard on their soapbox, but even so, not wanting that crap in your face isn't irrational. There are also a lot of ex-smokers like myself that always smoked outside, away from people, and now don't like to be around it against our will. It's not because it's tobacco smoke, it's because it's smoke. Burning garbage in a city neighborhood isn't respectful either.

 

[reddtessa]

I myself have only vaped in my home or in my vehicle..and at the mall as that is where I purchased my 3rd e-cig...(the smokefreeonline cig) but I use an 808 from vapornine for the most part as it looks like a real cigarette as long as I use a white cart. My husband doesn't even know that I vape and I like it that way as he stopped smoking completely in 2006 and afraid he'll be hypocritical to the though of vaping as he is .... and follows politics too much.

 

[lawnman3]

I think the entire e-cig notion is becoming more well-known among people in general. I was in a club the other night vaping and a security guy started walking my way (I'm assuming to tell me to not smoke inside). Got about 10ft from me, started laughing and just turned around and let me carry on.

welcome to ecf rubi22 glad to have more florida vapers posting here...

the security guards are funny in tampa clubs thats for shure...
lawnman3...

 

[WomanOfHeart]

The one and only time I've ever been "confronted" in a negative manner ended with two ladies walking away looking thoroughly humiliated. I've posted the story a few times on the forum. It's funny now, but at the time, it really ticked me off.