Anyone really suprised that vaping is getting heavily regulated in many places?

[MacTechVpr]

No. I am not. Ever since I got my first njoy with the "how to explain vape everywhere" I knew it was a bad idea. I knew vaping was doomed.

What I AM kind of surprised about is how far vaping GOT without all the regulation and stuff.

Call me crazy, call me a pessimist but I am not surprised.

Anna

Sadly, I agree Anna. Certainly concluded the odds were against the phenomenon succeeding. Especially given the indifference to the broadly ambiguous TCA and its ramifications. But I chose to make the optimistic effort. I still do. Mostly because it suits me to say **** 'em.

Good luck all.

p.s. Not exactly as you know why I'm here. But hey, still suits me.

 

[iVapeDIY]

Seeing kids (under 18) vaping proudly in front of their friends and even family

Big tobacco is replacing lost revenue with top line growth in vaping space by targeting a new generation of nicotine addicts. Millennials (and younger) are puffing away at 50mg/ml, only to counteract its effects with caffeine pills (coffee and energy drinks are viewed as insufficient); this is no longer anecdotal. Policy wonks in countries, with partial or universal healthcare, have stats that project the impact of this behavior on future health costs. IMHO, this is the real issue.

 

[Horselady154]

At a university in my state the college passed an anti tobbacco rule where it is banned anywhere on campus including cars, except designated tobbacco consumption areas. That includes chewing tobbacco.

It's getting crazy. San Fran has banned plastic straws and smoking (ie plus vaping in public) but free needles for consumption of an illegal drug is ok.

Hell, even communist Russia wasn't this crazy.

How the hell do they think they can dictate what you do in your own damn car?

 

[HigherStateD]

How the hell do they think they can dictate what you do in your own damn car?

Private property. The school has every right to tell you to remove yourself and all your property from the IRS.

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[Horselady154]

Private property. The school has every right to tell you to remove yourself and all your property from the IRS.

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If it is a private school, yes. If it's not, not so much.

 

[HigherStateD]

If it is a private school, yes. If it's not, not so much.

Even at a state school, they could get away with it.

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[Horselady154]

Even at a state school, they could get away with it.

Oh, they "get away with" all kinds of stuff they shouldn't be doing.

 

[HigherStateD]

Oh, they "get away with" all kinds of stuff they shouldn't be doing.

Didn't say that wasn't the case, but the bigger issue is that we let them.

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[vimagreg]

How the hell do they think they can dictate what you do in your own damn car?

US, the land of freedom!

 

[zoiDman]

Didn't say that wasn't the case, but the bigger issue is that we let them.

 

[DaveP]

I don't see that many vapers in my county of 157,000 residents. I don't see that many people smoking compared to a decade or two ago. There's a number of small to large vape shops in the area and a lot of small shops in strip malls.

I suppose that health and life insurance premiums for smokers had a lot to do with cessation of cigarette smoking. It's a shame that life insurance tests for nicotine (Cotinine test). Vaping with NIC classifies us as smokers in the eyes of the medical and insurance worlds.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I don't see that many vapers in my county of 157,000 residents. I don't see that many people smoking compared to a decade or two ago. There's a number of small to large vape shops in the area and a lot of small shops in strip malls.

I suppose that health and life insurance premiums for smokers had a lot to do with cessation of cigarette smoking. It's a shame that life insurance tests for nicotine (Cotinine test). Vaping with NIC classifies us as smokers in the eyes of the medical and insurance worlds.

Not necessarily true. You (and everyone) should check with your insurance company. Here's a post I made about a year ago. Saves me almost $200/mo. I had Northwestern Mutual, and they agreed to this. But I actually got a better rate with Prudential. So at least those two won't classify you as a smoker.

And for health insurance, they don't even test you. They only ask if you're a smoker.

 

[Letitia]

Banning vaping will only cause it to go underground, it's not hard to make your own juice, coils, mech mod, so where does this lead us, whatever the ban they cannot stop vaping, everything is easy to source, it's just nanny state politics in my opinion.

For those (the majority) of vaper's that don't diy or build banns will have a huge impact if shipping vape products from overseas is also banned. We here on the forums tend to lose sight of the bigger picture concerning the true average vaper.

 

[DaveP]

Not necessarily true. You (and everyone) should check with your insurance company. Here's a post I made about a year ago. Saves me almost $200/mo. I had Northwestern Mutual, and they agreed to this. But I actually got a better rate with Prudential. So at least those two won't classify you as a smoker.

And for health insurance, they don't even test you. They only ask if you're a smoker.
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I'll check that out. I've had a policy for my wife and I for about 25 years with the same company. It might be very wise to go back and renegotiate and compare companies and rates.

 

[Rossum]

Didn't say that wasn't the case, but the bigger issue is that we let them.

"Is it time yet?"

 

[stols001]

Schools do this all the time. My son's principal was almost pathologically interested in what was in my son's car all the time. To be fair, it was my son's "dark" period.

I got to the school one time because the principal was like, gonna open it. I made my child give me the car keys (after finding out what was in the car which yes, include some paraphernalia. He had a card, I was his caregiver, but I needed to know what was IN that car before deciding how to proceed. The kid got hell from me LATER about it.)

In any case, I went out tot he car with the principal and we had a long argument about the car. Opening it. I kept citing it was my private property and he did not have the right to impact my privacy. I even offered to call the police (that could have gone either way, honestly, but I figured he would like, probably back down as I was so "confident" in my vehicle.)

I would up driving it off in the end. And, while I WAS pretty annoyed with the kid I did BELIEVE that (unless there was a dead body there or something) there was a right to privacy for the vehicle. The principal had not SEEN anything (he admitted it) he was jus SUSPICIOUS.

He was a total tool in any case, but people dictate what is done in the car (Texting and I am FOR that one.) MD I hazily remember wanted to put anti smoking ordinances in the car if a kid was in it. IIRC it did not last.

But society is all over cars big time.

Anna

 

[HigherStateD]

"Is it time yet?"

Remember, remember, the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and riot.

Schools do this all the time. My son's principal was almost pathologically interested in what was in my son's car all the time. To be fair, it was my son's "dark" period.

I got to the school one time because the principal was like, gonna open it. I made my child give me the car keys (after finding out what was in the car which yes, include some paraphernalia. He had a card, I was his caregiver, but I needed to know what was IN that car before deciding how to proceed. The kid got hell from me LATER about it.)

In any case, I went out tot he car with the principal and we had a long argument about the car. Opening it. I kept citing it was my private property and he did not have the right to impact my privacy. I even offered to call the police (that could have gone either way, honestly, but I figured he would like, probably back down as I was so "confident" in my vehicle.)

I would up driving it off in the end. And, while I WAS pretty annoyed with the kid I did BELIEVE that (unless there was a dead body there or something) there was a right to privacy for the vehicle. The principal had not SEEN anything (he admitted it) he was jus SUSPICIOUS.

He was a total tool in any case, but people dictate what is done in the car (Texting and I am FOR that one.) MD I hazily remember wanted to put anti smoking ordinances in the car if a kid was in it. IIRC it did not last.

But society is all over cars big time.

Anna

The issue exists where you take your property onto theirs. They have every right to know what is on their property.

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[Letitia]

Down here in southern IL there is no alcohol, tobacco, or drugs allowed within a certain number of feet of any school property, this includes places of business.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

The issue exists where you take your property onto theirs. They have every right to know what is on their property.

No, not "every" right.
The Supreme Court disagrees. In May of last year, they ruled that a warrant was required to search vehicles on private property.

There is no universal law, but generally public school officials are subject to "reasonable" suspicion. Which means each case would be determined in court.

 

[HigherStateD]

No, not "every" right.
The Supreme Court disagrees. In May of last year, they ruled that a warrant was required to search vehicles on private property.

There is no universal law, but generally public school officials are subject to "reasonable" suspicion. Which means each case would be determined in court.

Got a link? I'd like to read that, as my understanding is the scotus has been leaning toward public safety over personal freedoms.
I'd imagine that a car on the owners property is what they were referring to, as the owner of the property the vehicle is on would then get the day to search, or the principal of the school.

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