AP: FDA Sending Warning Letters
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I hear ya Carol... LOL I have the same problem...
If I stop and think about the amount of money I spend on vaping supplies, setting aside a little bit to donate to CASAA should be very easy to do
Well they got my dander up when I saw their underhanded tatics. I'm sick and tired of being treated like some 2 year old who can't make an intelligent decision concerning my own health. I don't need the FDA telling me that e-cigs *might* not be 100% safe, I know they aren't but they are definitely better for me than smoking tobacco cigarettes. Yes there needs to be some regulation to insure the safety, accuracy and consistancy of the e-liquid, but that should be done under the Tobacco Act, not as a drug delivery device.
I hear ya Carol... LOL I have the same problem...
If I stop and think about the amount of money I spend on vaping supplies, setting aside a little bit to donate to CASAA should be very easy to do
On that note, this thread seems a logical place for that argument to be made: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0656-bump-evertime-you-buy-something-new.html
first off remember that the court case only applies to njoy...they're the only ones that sued...
secondly.... we went round and round a while back over the case and whether e-cigs should be lumped into the recreational tobacco alternative category...
the people that were against that idea are now seeing the consequences..
the 5 companies that got letters continued to make health claims or use other drugs as additives and are now being hit as drug delivery devices...
all the arguments in the court case and the appeals have been about distancing from making health claims and the drug device classification....and here are these 5 companies that are providing the FDA with amunition by doing just that... presenting their products as nicotine cessation (remember the FDA doesnt draw a line between nicotine cessation and smoking cessation) and making health claims....
the only part I find troubling is that the JC letter was based on customer testimonials not direct company marketing in addition to the fact that they sell other things like syringes
Ok I read the entire letter to Johnson's Creek. In that letter they cite nicotine addiction as a disease... it then could be considered a disability then if it impairs your ability to function normally. Apply for SSI or SSDI......they get enuff apps in someone's gonna stop the BS. This is a clear violation of every right we americans hold dear and it really pisses me off. The letter to JC cites CONSUMER TESTIMONIALS as violations ummm isn't freedom of speech covered under the 1st amendment or does the constitution not exist for the FDA? I really think this is an endrun around the appeals system because the FDA knows they don't have a real case and wants at least a few companies that sell these to admit to being a drug delivery system. I hope there are people smart enough in those companies to see the scare tactic for what it is, the FDA can't win on the 23rd so they're trying to get by sneaking around telling people that they already ARE drug delivery devices and can be governed as such... as far as I know they can't even SAY that until after the appeal. A stay of a previous verdict does NOT make it so.
I feel this is a scare tactic. If we let it work I think we're just playing into their hands. I have no idea how best to handle this as I am not an attorney but I'm sure there are smarter people than I out there who can figure a way through this mess to a conclusion that will hopefully not harm us.
I feel this is a scare tactic. If we let it work I think we're just playing into their hands. I have no idea how best to handle this as I am not an attorney but I'm sure there are smarter people than I out there who can figure a way through this mess to a conclusion that will hopefully not harm us.
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of all the places you can actually find that info per state through the ALA... Tobacco Laws and Public Smoking Policy -- American Lung Association SLATI
Public Smoking Laws, Smoking Policy Summary Reports -- American Lung Association SLATI
This is much the same as when we were still fighting the ban here in Illinois. They worded it in a way that re-categorized E-Cigarettes as something that the state already had full control of.
McDonalds hamburgers are bad for you but not illegal. Lets write a bill to re-categorize them as Toyota's and make them subject to the mass recall.
States definitely don't want all smokers switching over to e-cigs, they would lose millions in tax dollars and the federal government is in much the same position. Both the states and the federal government rely on smokers continuing to smoke cigarettes for the millions in tax dollars that they pay in.
"The agency encouraged the industry group to work with the FDA to ensure the safety and effectiveness of the devices to help people quit smoking traditional cigarettes through usually expensive clinical trials."
Am I interpreting the above statement wrong?..... does it not eqaul:
"The agency encouraged the industry group to work with the FDA to ensure the safety and effectiveness of the devices to help people to quit smoking traditional cigarettes WHICH WILL be through expensive clinical trials.....not to mention the YEARS it will take and as someone else mentioned, the "additives" big Pharma piece of the pie wil include side effects such as suicide, homicidal thoughts and ...........The side effects will discourage people from using them, thus rendering them ineffective....WHICH will then make Tobacco industry happy...AND the Feds won't loose thier precious tax dollars nor will they have to pay Social Security to the 500,000 people who will CONTINUE to die each year from smoking related illnesses....
FDA Approval = Companies with enough money in their coffers to play the game
FDA + Tobacco + Big Pharma = Electronic Cigarette NRT "APPROVED!"
No?
Just checking in case my interpretor is broken, lol!
Am I interpreting the above statement wrong?..... does it not eqaul:
"The agency encouraged the industry group to work with the FDA to ensure the safety and effectiveness of the devices to help people to quit smoking traditional cigarettes WHICH WILL be through expensive clinical trials.....not to mention the YEARS it will take and as someone else mentioned, the "additives" big Pharma piece of the pie wil include side effects such as suicide, homicidal thoughts and ...........The side effects will discourage people from using them, thus rendering them ineffective....WHICH will then make Tobacco industry happy...AND the Feds won't loose thier precious tax dollars nor will they have to pay Social Security to the 500,000 people who will CONTINUE to die each year from smoking related illnesses....
FDA Approval = Companies with enough money in their coffers to play the game
FDA + Tobacco + Big Pharma = Electronic Cigarette NRT "APPROVED!"
No?
Just checking in case my interpretor is broken, lol!
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I interpret it more as, "See! They cooperated! TOLD you they were drug delivery devices! Bring on the effective 20 year ban!"
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