i dont think they will be able to block sales of the actual ecigs or attys (not hard to make your own even if they could)that would be totally out of there hands i think the only thing they could effect would be the nicotine supply.
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i dont think they will be able to block sales of the actual ecigs or attys (not hard to make your own even if they could)that would be totally out of there hands i think the only thing they could effect would be the nicotine supply.
Yes, but they can produce license. Also, iy we think anyone would risk a fine/jail to sell/purchase online-NOT
Well, the FDA has officially now issued its "Notice of Intent to Propose Deeming Regulation by April 2013 for e-cigarettes and other tobacco products" .Looks like it won't be long before we know exactly how the FDA proposes to handle our ecigs. You will find the offical notice in the Legislative News section here on ECF.
We need more comments to the FDA, if I can do it, anybody can.
I intend to order 100mg/ml. By the time i mix it with three more parts PG & VG and add flavoring it'll be close enough to 24mg for me.
Thursday I am ordering a telescope and three more vivi nova tanks, since I know that I can recoil the heads with some semblance of competence.
By the end of February I intend to get 1500ml of that 100mg juice, since it's not just me but my father in law and brother in law we have to keep going.
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Its not like they can Schedule Nicotine as a Controlled Substance, or could they? Fascist!
I don't think they could make it a controlled substance, just regulate who can sell it and how, make QC too difficult for ours smallish vendors to be able to conform to, putting it back in the hands of our favorite people, big pharma.
IDK if they could really regulate hardware. I mean, I can go to plenty of shops on the beach and buy paraphernalia. It is perfectly legal to own, as long as there is no illegal residue in it. (Not that I have any interest in said paraphernalia, just using as an example.) If they do, I have an I pro that will last, and 3 vivi novas that I can rebuild ("with some semblance of competence"...
love that, Orobas!!!)
PG and VG have other uses, so I don't think those will be regulated either. And flavorings are used for food, so they will still be around.
I checked my order history and I ordered a 250 ml bottle of nic 3/12 and another 7/12. I just cracked the seal on the one I bought 7/12. Thinking I will order maybe another 500 ml. That should be plenty to last me at least long enough to wean myself off the nic, which I intend to do anyway.
These are just my unresearched thoughts on the subject, don't put too much stock into them. If you have other ideas or research, please feel free to educate me!
IDK if they could really regulate hardware. I mean, I can go to plenty of shops on the beach and buy paraphernalia. It is perfectly legal to own, as long as there is no illegal residue in it. (Not that I have any interest in said paraphernalia, just using as an example.) If they do, I have an I pro that will last, and 3 vivi novas that I can rebuild ("with some semblance of competence"...
love that, Orobas!!!)PG and VG have other uses, so I don't think those will be regulated either. And flavorings are used for food, so they will still be around.
I checked my order history and I ordered a 250 ml bottle of nic 3/12 and another 7/12. I just cracked the seal on the one I bought 7/12. Thinking I will order maybe another 500 ml. That should be plenty to last me at least long enough to wean myself off the nic, which I intend to do anyway.
These are just my unresearched thoughts on the subject, don't put too much stock into them. If you have other ideas or research, please feel free to educate me!
I got interested in rebuildable atomizers just because of this. Now I'm hooked! See?!?! The FDA already increased my nicotine addiction!
I don't think they could make it a controlled substance, just regulate who can sell it and how, make QC too difficult for ours smallish vendors to be able to conform to, putting it back in the hands of our favorite people, big pharma.
IDK if they could really regulate hardware. I mean, I can go to plenty of shops on the beach and buy paraphernalia. It is perfectly legal to own, as long as there is no illegal residue in it. (Not that I have any interest in said paraphernalia, just using as an example.) If they do, I have an I pro that will last, and 3 vivi novas that I can rebuild ("with some semblance of competence"...
PG and VG have other uses, so I don't think those will be regulated either. And flavorings are used for food, so they will still be around.
I checked my order history and I ordered a 250 ml bottle of nic 3/12 and another 7/12. I just cracked the seal on the one I bought 7/12. Thinking I will order maybe another 500 ml. That should be plenty to last me at least long enough to wean myself off the nic, which I intend to do anyway.
These are just my unresearched thoughts on the subject, don't put too much stock into them. If you have other ideas or research, please feel free to educate me!
I just checked, there's all kinds of bath places that sell VG, and PG is evidently a common thing for cattle farmers to buy.
I'll have to look closer to find pharmaceutical grade versions of this stuff to buy, but it is available. I'm more worried about nic and devices at this moment. resistance wire, wicking materials, PG, VG, and flavorings will always be available.
I just wonder if this goes through will they let people sell 0 nic e juice? I wouldn't be really happy with that but its better then going back to cigs. I think for me it just going through the motions I crave more then the actual nic.
Said jazon1 (post #81):
Not to be too alarmist, it would take very little for the Feds to declare all our hardware to be drug paraphernalia. This is from wikipedia:
So, I'm of the belief that folks so inclined would be well advised to stock big-time up on just about everything hardware, excepting maybe batteries.
Said tnt56 (post #48),
Not necessarily. Remember, during Prohibition, the Volstead Act defined an intoxicating beverage as anything containing more than 0.5% alcohol. So you had "near beers" to drink. Also, citrus fruits naturally have yeast in them; by the time oranges reached the retail buyer via slow train, freshly squeezed orange juice had 1.5% alcohol or more.
So, all the feds have to do is define a level of nicotine uselessly low for us vapers, and all the veggies (you forgot potatoes and all peppers) could continue to be sold without a problem. People who need nicotine liquid for bug poison could have nicotine liquid federally denatured to the point to make it a deadly poison for people as well.
Not to be too alarmist, it would take very little for the Feds to declare all our hardware to be drug paraphernalia. This is from wikipedia:
So, I'm of the belief that folks so inclined would be well advised to stock big-time up on just about everything hardware, excepting maybe batteries.
Said tnt56 (post #48),
Not necessarily. Remember, during Prohibition, the Volstead Act defined an intoxicating beverage as anything containing more than 0.5% alcohol. So you had "near beers" to drink. Also, citrus fruits naturally have yeast in them; by the time oranges reached the retail buyer via slow train, freshly squeezed orange juice had 1.5% alcohol or more.
So, all the feds have to do is define a level of nicotine uselessly low for us vapers, and all the veggies (you forgot potatoes and all peppers) could continue to be sold without a problem. People who need nicotine liquid for bug poison could have nicotine liquid federally denatured to the point to make it a deadly poison for people as well.
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I'll pull resistance wire out of hair dryers if i need to.
Anyways all is settled in my house, we'll be buying three telescopes with batteries and chargers on friday.
Anyways all is settled in my house, we'll be buying three telescopes with batteries and chargers on friday.
I have been worried about the direction of the FDA for some time, and watching the constant pressure of the anti smoking zealots as well.
I do not plan to take any chances. I already have nic in the freezer and plan to add more. I've been buying cartos by the brick and bringing in my favorite dripping atties. I have a couple of RBA's in hand, going to get a few more. Can always get wire, wick and mesh, PG VG batteries and food flavorings. I have a good supply of mechanical mods with a few more on the way and I have vv and vw mods that I hope will last a long time without repair.
The FDA can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the better. Between the FDA, their paymasters big Pharma and big Tobacco and the government's ever increasing need for tax money they will crucify every e cig user they can to get what they want. Control and money, they are hogs for both.
I do not plan to take any chances. I already have nic in the freezer and plan to add more. I've been buying cartos by the brick and bringing in my favorite dripping atties. I have a couple of RBA's in hand, going to get a few more. Can always get wire, wick and mesh, PG VG batteries and food flavorings. I have a good supply of mechanical mods with a few more on the way and I have vv and vw mods that I hope will last a long time without repair.
The FDA can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the better. Between the FDA, their paymasters big Pharma and big Tobacco and the government's ever increasing need for tax money they will crucify every e cig user they can to get what they want. Control and money, they are hogs for both.
The math is done.
If we're just looking at my personal needs, for $89.89 (plus a little shipping) I can make enough juice to last two years.
For $158.14 i can vape for four.
If we're just looking at my personal needs, for $89.89 (plus a little shipping) I can make enough juice to last two years.
For $158.14 i can vape for four.
For those saying that "they can make an extract illegal, but not the plant the extract is taken from" must not understand the government.
Hell, they treat ......... like it's heroine for god's sake! (Well, I'm in WA, so not anymore!)
They can outlaw anything they want.
More likely, they will just make things VERY expensive. They want their taxes, and the easiest way to tax people, is on things they "need" like their vices. In a lot of states, even alcohol has a 25+% tax!
Hell, they treat ......... like it's heroine for god's sake! (Well, I'm in WA, so not anymore!)
They can outlaw anything they want.
More likely, they will just make things VERY expensive. They want their taxes, and the easiest way to tax people, is on things they "need" like their vices. In a lot of states, even alcohol has a 25+% tax!
People are always saying they have a boatload of tanks, cartos, batteries etc. that they bought and don't use anymore because they found a better system. I have drawers of the stuff myself, but I'm hanging onto it because if it becomes impossible to buy new stuff, at least I'll have those options. Maybe it wasn't a waste after all. I have a ton of eGo C plastic tanks that I never used because i moved on to clearos pretty quickly, but if my choice was between not being able to vape or vaping with those, they'll do.
Maybe the vapers who made the most impulse buys will end up surviving vape apocalypse the best!
Maybe the vapers who made the most impulse buys will end up surviving vape apocalypse the best!
Well, my Puck, which I just built, runs on AAA batteries. And I can make a lot more Pucks if I ever wanted too.
Sometimes being scared is good, it can lead us to actions that are for our own good.
The FDA is a serious concern. But, its really not the biggest in the world even for us vapers.
Many consider China our friend and would never stop selling to us.....I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
If our economy were to collapse, and our dollar would become worthless, would China want it?
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