apparently no longer called electronic cigarette

[Randyrtx]

Personally, I'd rather call it an E-cig because that identifies it to me as an electronic alternative to smoking, rather than a drug delivery device. Nicotine "addiction" or not, I smoked because I enjoyed smoking, not to ingest a drug. I "vape" now for the same reason.

Now, where'd I leave my ACIC?

 

[markarich159]

My question would be(other then the ECA) are TW and the other maufacturers at least running any of these marketing decisions by the FDA(or any other regulatory agency for that matter) before going forth with them. Did the FDA ok this change in name, or did they even know about it, were they consulted in any way, shape or form. As Sun Vaporer brought up earlier in the thread, the reason the industry is in the pickle it's in is because no maufacturers or distributors bothered to ask any regulatory questions before their initial US marketing campaign. It was this initial stealth, under the regulatory radar, marketing technique that ...... BT, BP and the FDA off to begin with. Unfortunately, we live in a society that has regulations. If these regulations are ignored by any persons or companies, eventually it's going to catch up with said individuals. Hopefully, the courts will rule in our favor and the industry can be salvaged, but it's certainly been a hard, long and, in hindsight, unnecessary learning curve.

 

[cdmcfud]

I don't thank changing the name will work as long as we have the super mini"s
or anything that looks like a cig on the market.

A picture say's a thousand words. If some thing looks like a cig. every one ill thank its a cig.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

As Sun Vaporer brought up earlier in the thread, the reason the industry is in the pickle it's in is because no maufacturers or distributors bothered to ask any regulatory questions before their initial US marketing campaign. It was this initial stealth, under the regulatory radar, marketing technique that ...... BT, BP and the FDA off to begin with. Unfortunately, we live in a society that has regulations.

Many suppliers did in fact ask the FDA for guidance and were turned away. Contacted the ATF, FDA... both said they weren't interested OR they didn't return any calls.

 

[dragonpuff]

Off topic here, but this brought up a very serious question in my mind and would like some feedback.

Now I was a 2+ pack a day smoker before starting on the ecig over a month ago. I've reduced my intake of analogs to around 5 or 6 a day. I've been using some 11 and some 18mg juice, since I ordered both and, being the 62 year old kid that I am, like changing up between vanilla, chocolate, and some of the berry flavors.

There talking about using 6-12 cartridges a day. On a heavy day I've maybe used three. Most days two or less. I certainly haven't felt the need to have nearly as many hits on my ecig as I took with analogs. I many times just pull it out of my pocket (would love to find a good lanyard) take a hit or two and go back to what I was doing. Now going to a bar and having a few cocktails also adds to my consumption of smoke, but that's pretty normal for any of us smokers.

My question is, have I actually reduced my consumption of nicotine unknowingly? My second question, if my first question is positive, is nicotine as addicting as we've been led to believe. If I'm comfortable in this short a time with taking less nic, is it more the habit that we all fight rather than a need for more and more nicotine. I guess I should get me some of that 0mg juice and test that out. Any ideas?

This may be off topic but i wanted to answer your question.

The Nicotrol inhaler cartridges contain 10mg of nicotine per cartridge, whereas your e-liquid contains 11-18mg of nicotine per milliliter. See the difference? You're getting more nicotine from vaping than you would from this inhaler. Add to that the fact that you're still smoking a few cigarettes a day; you get more nicotine from smoking than from vaping.

NRT products are notoriously underdosed when compared to what a heavy smoker actually consumes. This is why NRT's are ineffective for many people IMO.

 

[ladyraj]

Off topic here, but this brought up a very serious question in my mind and would like some feedback.

Now I was a 2+ pack a day smoker before starting on the ecig over a month ago. I've reduced my intake of analogs to around 5 or 6 a day. I've been using some 11 and some 18mg juice, since I ordered both and, being the 62 year old kid that I am, like changing up between vanilla, chocolate, and some of the berry flavors.

There talking about using 6-12 cartridges a day. On a heavy day I've maybe used three. Most days two or less. I certainly haven't felt the need to have nearly as many hits on my ecig as I took with analogs. I many times just pull it out of my pocket (would love to find a good lanyard) take a hit or two and go back to what I was doing. Now going to a bar and having a few cocktails also adds to my consumption of smoke, but that's pretty normal for any of us smokers.

My question is, have I actually reduced my consumption of nicotine unknowingly? My second question, if my first question is positive, is nicotine as addicting as we've been led to believe. If I'm comfortable in this short a time with taking less nic, is it more the habit that we all fight rather than a need for more and more nicotine. I guess I should get me some of that 0mg juice and test that out. Any ideas?

Bingo, your natural observational skills have nailed the issue...I personally have never been a proponent of the "nictine addiction theory". But I firmly believe in behaviors or habitual rites that are engaged in almost unconsciously. I have seen the face of true addiction as a therapist and simply put...it ain't nicotine.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Bingo, your natural observational skills have nailed the issue...I personally have never been a proponent of the "nictine addiction theory". But I firmly believe in behaviors or habitual rites that are engaged in almost unconsciously. I have seen the face of true addiction as a therapist and simply put...it ain't nicotine.

And to further this and what dragon notes... Is it the OTHER things in our tobacco cigarettes that really are the addiction? The additives particularly. Why have there not been addiction studies on the additives? Because we don't know what they are for sure?

 

[TropicalBob]

Easy to visualize Jason's new ad campaign:

The mini e-cig will be the Totally Wicked Teeny E-Ni. And the larger, more powerful model will be the Totally Wicked Meanie E-Ni. Devilish good fun ...

 

[dragonpuff]

And to further this and what dragon notes... Is it the OTHER things in our tobacco cigarettes that really are the addiction? The additives particularly. Why have there not been addiction studies on the additives? Because we don't know what they are for sure?

For what its worth, i used to be tense most of the time. If i went more than an hour without a smoke, i'd get really anxious and obsessed with having one until i had one.

Now i'm more relaxed, and i don't think its just because i can vape more frequently than i could smoke-- the cravings don't bother me at all now. I don't get tense at all anymore, i don't feel like "i gotta have one now!" Its more like i WANT to vape than i NEED to. Huge difference! I've never felt this relaxed about everything

It makes me wonder what i was putting in my body all those years and what it was doing to me

 

[dragonpuff]

Easy to visualize Jason's new ad campaign:

The mini e-cig will be the Totally Wicked Teeny E-Ni. And the larger, more powerful model will be the Totally Wicked Meanie E-Ni. Devilish good fun ...

supermini... Totally Wicked Teeny Weenie E-Ni!!!

 

[HaploVoss]

I have to second the fact that it should not be associated entirely with Nicotene. My wife has now completely cut nicotene out of her vaping. All she vapes are the VG / Flavor combos I make for her and I.

I am still surviving off the very few carts we have with nic in them left. As soon as we come up with extra bucks we are ordering juice from Drew!!! WITH NIC!
Cuz I'm tired of vaping nothing but flavors most of the time to stretch out the nic carts

But like I said - wifey doesn't use nic, and I know there have to be tons of vapers out there who use "0 nic" or make it themselves.

 

[kinabaloo]

Personally, I'd rather call it an E-cig because that identifies it to me as an electronic alternative to smoking, rather than a drug delivery device. Nicotine "addiction" or not, I smoked because I enjoyed smoking, not to ingest a drug. I "vape" now for the same reason.

I agree ......

 

[hxj]

Yeah, I'm no-nic myself and the idea of associating e-cigs inextricably with nicotine consumption by sticking it right in the name rubs me the wrong way. Some of us got over the nicotine thing ages ago and vape entirely zero-nic liquids because we miss the ritual, the hand-to-mouth, the smoke/vapor in the lungs, etc. I could stop vaping right now; indeed, sometimes I go a busy day or two without vaping at all. But I like to vape, I have no particular intention of stopping, and I have no intention of ever using an e-cig to inhale nicotine. (Incidentally, that would be why I have never tried any TW liquids-- there's no zero-nic.)

In the U.S., at least, whether or not e-cigs should be considered medical devices is a huge issue and will probably determine their eventual fate. Any move to make them seen as NRTs gets a thumbs-down from me. And there's no doubt in my mind that "electronic nicotine inhalator" will strike most people as more of a medical device than "electronic cigarette."

 

[kinabaloo]

I have to second the fact that it should not be associated entirely with Nicotene. My wife has now completely cut nicotene out of her vaping. All she vapes are the VG / Flavor combos I make for her and I.

I am still surviving off the very few carts we have with nic in them left. As soon as we come up with extra bucks we are ordering juice from Drew!!! WITH NIC!
Cuz I'm tired of vaping nothing but flavors most of the time to stretch out the nic carts

But like I said - wifey doesn't use nic, and I know there have to be tons of vapers out there who use "0 nic" or make it themselves.

Should nicotine become unavailable through some madness, I might try clove or capsaicum flavors to at least get a flavor hit - that is, if the devices don't get banned too. Maybe even straws will be banned because of the resemblance.

Differentiating the device / behaviour from nicotine wuld be wise.

E-juice is not a new drug - it's just nicotine dissolved in PG.

 

[kinabaloo]

And there's no doubt in my mind that "electronic nicotine inhalator" will strike most people as more of a medical device than "electronic cigarette."

Yes, tantamount to a badge of shame.

 

[deewal]

If it's a Nicotine Inhalator why does it look like a Cigarette ?
I bought my first E-Cig because it was a way to "smoke" without having to inhale the 10mg of Tar and the 10mg of Carbon Monoxide that i was inhaling with my 0.8mg of Nicotine per Cigarette.
It has got **** all to do with ASH. I am not Smoking.
It has got **** all to do with NRT. I am not trying to stop Smoking.

Nicotine is Legal. PG is Legal.
What we are doing is a Good thing not a Bad thing.
Stand up for what few Rights we have left.

 

[kcr]

I don't really care what they are called, as long as the model numbers are clearly displayed so that I can know what I am ordering.

And I am not going to run and hide in shame because I am using an electronic cigarette by whatever name it ends up going by. I am not ashamed of using it, and I won't be bullied into it by people who obviously have no lives of their own and try to poke their noses into mine by trying to pretend I am doing something that could possibly offend them.

I wasn't ashamed when I smoked analog cigarettes, either, no matter how hard some people tried to make me feel that way. I tried hard not to annoy non-smokers, I did not hand them out as Halloween treats to children and I respected the wishes of the owners of establishments if they preferred people not smoke in their businesses.

I did not get an e-cigarette to quit smoking, I got it out of curiosity. Not smoking just ocurred naturally, since I discovered I *prefer* vaping to smoking. I do not see how it is anyone's business either way, as most people have habits that are unhealthy and or offensive to me, but it is none of my business. I know that--why don't they?

I could accept that smelling the smoke of a Virginia burley was unpleasant for non-smokers, but now there is no smoke or odor to offend them. If they are offended because it *appears* that I am smoking, then they have a personal problem I cannot help them with. If some odious little man who makes his living taking children away from smokers gets his fine lace panties all wadded up because it *looks* like I am smoking, why does that mean I need to change? *He* is the one with the problem, and it goes far deeper than his attack on electronic cigarettes. And, just to throw this in, I am pretty sure the FDA could not find their collective rear ends with a flashlight at high noon in a hall of mirrors, and if that press release they put out about electronic cigarettes is any indication of the quality of their analysis, the only thing to do is fire them all and start over because a satirist couldn't get away with writing something of that calibre and attributing it to science and get away with it without its being clocked for the bovine excrement it is.

I am starting to look behind doors to see if Rod Serling is there. What in the name of all that is holy is going on in this world?

I apologize. I did not intend to go off on a rant, it just sprang up on its own.

I am going to have a glass of wine and enjoy my electronic cigarette. Or Personal Vaporizer. Or E-NI. Or whatever.

 

[kcr]

Hey, Pillbox--make a big e-cig. A big, honking ugly sucker and call it "The Banzhaf."

I'll buy one.

 

[CJsKee]

I was curious and looked up "inhalator"...


Medical Dictionary

Main Entry: in·ha·la·tor
Pronunciation: 'in-(h)&-"lAt-&r, 'in-&l-"At-
Function: noun
: a device providing amixture of oxygen and carbon dioxide for breathing that is used especially in conjunction with artificial respiration —compare INHALER

Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


No wonder it sounds like a medical device! Also, M-W did not find a word "inhalate"...

 

[arembee]

This may be off topic but i wanted to answer your question.

The Nicotrol inhaler cartridges contain 10mg of nicotine per cartridge, whereas your e-liquid contains 11-18mg of nicotine per milliliter. See the difference? You're getting more nicotine from vaping than you would from this inhaler. Add to that the fact that you're still smoking a few cigarettes a day; you get more nicotine from smoking than from vaping.

NRT products are notoriously underdosed when compared to what a heavy smoker actually consumes. This is why NRT's are ineffective for many people IMO.

How many ml's of liquid in a nicotrol inhaler cartridge containing 10mg of nicotine?