Are any of you (Americans) stocking up?

[NCC]

Americans don't stock up unless their scared.The average south floridiot does not have 2 bottles of water.The dumb stick still exist.

I've got months' worth of juice on hand.

I'm working on an order tonight which includes: 5 XL eGo batteries, 10 eGo cylinder atomizers, 15 empty eGo mega cartridges, 5 empty eGo Mega Cartomizers, 15 prefilled eGo Mega cartos, 2 chargers, 5 LR 510 attys, 6 adapters, 7 drip tips ... I'm not done shopping.

And, I'm a NW Floridian. Maybe we're not floridiots way up here in LA (Lower Alabama).

My stocking up isn't so much in fear of any imagined banning though.

 

[ShannonS]

It is not just a fear of an outright banning. The could ban sales online, which means that mall kiosks like SE will continue to sell 25 dollar 15 mL bottles of ejuice while my beloved vendors all go under. That would suck. Even if the FDA treats ecigs like tobacco products, it is likely that they will try to keep them from being sold online.

This makes me a sad panda.

 

[NCC]

It is not just a fear of an outright banning. The could ban sales online
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This makes me a sad panda.

I wish them luck with that! No, I don't really. Just saying, it would be nearly impossible to do.

Smile Panda!

 

[jacey]

I find it very didheartening that an agency in this free country has the power to hold us at bay. I feel helpless; I've written to my represenative and she assured me she was in favor of e-cigs. This doesn't seem like enough. This brings to mind a saying that I read somewhere along the line in my 61 years:


"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

 

[sofocused978]

It is not just a fear of an outright banning. The could ban sales online

Impossible, they MIGHT be able to stop US companies from selling online but thats as far as they could possibly go and even that would be hard.

 

[ShannonS]

Aren't tobacco products already banned from being sold online in the US? If the FDA classifies ecigs as tobacco products, won't online sale be immediately banned by default?

 

[NCC]

Aren't tobacco products already banned from being sold online in the US? If the FDA classifies ecigs as tobacco products, won't online sale be immediately banned by default?

Not unless this is a recent development. For the last two years I smoked, ending last January, online is how I purchased cigarettes.

If they are, in fact, banned from online sales ... and I was buying them oblivious to that 'fact', this illustrates only that banning the internet sales of electronic cigarettes will be, at best, difficult to enforce.

 

[Twinkie]

THEY CAME FIRST for...

I don't like the thought of a ban any more than the next person here, but I'm not sure it's on par with observing the Holocaust.

Aren't tobacco products already banned from being sold online in the US? If the FDA classifies ecigs as tobacco products, won't online sale be immediately banned by default?

Yes and no.

The PACT Act went in to effect recently, which makes it illegal to mail most tobacco products. (And before anyone asks, no, you're not "certain individuals" exempted if you're buying small amounts of cigarettes from a company.)

It doesn't cover other carriers like UPS and FedEx, though.

And that's why it's a good thing I didn't just receive a few cartons of Djarum Super clove cigarettes from an online store in Indonesia. Not only are the cigarettes themselves prohibited in the United States under the FDA ban last year, they would have been illegal to send in the mail.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

I spent my last years as a smoker ordering my cigarettes from the Native American reservations. I still get ads from them occasionally, so I know they're still in business. Wonder if our Native friends will start selling e-cigs next if a ban goes in, because that wouldn't really affect them, now would it?

 

[Twinkie]

I spent my last years as a smoker ordering my cigarettes from the Native American reservations. I still get ads from them occasionally, so I know they're still in business. Wonder if our Native friends will start selling e-cigs next if a ban goes in, because that wouldn't really affect them, now would it?

It does.

Reservations aren't entirely sovereign. Behold Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution:
"Congress shall have the power to regulate Commerce with foreign nations and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

The Seneca Nation asked for an injunction, and received a partial one. They're allowed to sell cigarettes, but it's still illegal to send them in the mail. (See Red Earth LLC et al. V. United States of America for the full details)

 

[BatemanZ]

Its all being funded by people like philip morris to try and kill the electronic cigarette industries so they can sell more tobacco! Write your congressmen and tell them how absurd it is to allow a big company to throw their weight around simply because a newer, better replacement has come around. It is us who are in power, not them! Band together America!

 

[mwa102464]

I fully agree, big tobacco and there lobbyist are so behind all of this, what needs to be done is to go after them the same way they are coming after us. Catch these people who are on the take and crooked in our Govt. If we only had a way to do this, together we need to stand on this matter if we want our Vape to stay the same because once they get us it will all change so lets not let them get us people. I love my darn vape way to much the way it is and want it to stay like it is.!!!

 

[mwa102464]

I also believe we should really go after them and keep showing how bad Analogs are compared to vaping. The big hitters need to do some more comparative infomercials and introduce to the public the difference in smoking vs Vaping and get more people vaping to put Big tobacco in the back seat

 

[Twinkie]

Its all being funded by people like philip morris to try and kill the electronic cigarette industries so they can sell more tobacco!

This isn't as likely as it may appear.

For instance, PM was (allegedly) looking in to buying Ruyan Group less than a year ago. With more and more states going smoke-free, tobacco companies have enough incentive to sell a product that can be used where smoking is prohibited.

Two years ago, Camel sent me a sample of snus. I had no idea what I was supposed to do with it, and was afraid if I got hooked on it, I'd never be able to buy more. Now it's available in almost every gas station, with several brands and flavors to choose from.

Similarly (because this always seems to go hand-in-hand when conspiracy theories are afoot), Pfizer does okay selling Chantix. But you're only supposed to use Chantix for three months.

From a profitability standpoint, someone with high blood pressure who continues to smoke and has a doctor willing to prescribe the blood pressure medication du jour is a goldmine. One one hand, you have an expensive pill you take for three months. On the other, a somewhat less expensive pill you take forever.

Tobacco and drug companies have every incentive in the world to keep nicotine flowing in you. How that actually happens is inconsequential.

I also believe we should really go after them and keep showing how bad Analogs are compared to vaping. The big hitters need to do some more comparative infomercials and introduce to the public the difference in smoking vs Vaping and get more people vaping to put Big tobacco in the back seat

The only way this is going to happen, is if there is independent, credible, and peer-reviewed evidence that e-cigs are safe.

At best right now, there's "Some company from China paid for a study in New Zealand, and it turned out pretty okay." and arguments that appear logical, but haven't been tested. Sure, PG is generally recognized as safe. But the effects of intentionally inhaling it vaporized multiple times daily aren't exactly easy to find. It should be reasonably safe. But that's not the same as "It is safe."

Oddly enough, it could be PM that spends the money or greases the wheels to get that research developed and released to the public.

 

[williebb123]

dont want to think about the people that might go postal

 

[SilverStrings]

Well at least we've only angered the FDA.. would be worse if it was the DEA

FDA guys put labels and taxes on things. DEA guys carry automatic weapons:

 

[potholerepairman]

I've got months' worth of juice on hand.

I'm working on an order tonight which includes: 5 XL eGo batteries, 10 eGo cylinder atomizers, 15 empty eGo mega cartridges, 5 empty eGo Mega Cartomizers, 15 prefilled eGo Mega cartos, 2 chargers, 5 LR 510 attys, 6 adapters, 7 drip tips ... I'm not done shopping.

And, I'm a NW Floridian. Maybe we're not floridiots way up here in LA (Lower Alabama).

My stocking up isn't so much in fear of any imagined banning though.

Good thinking, got 2 years of supply now myself.Trying to love the eGo mega cartridges but they dont love me back yet.Every filler seems to leak or produce sadly, unlike my regular carts.

 

[cjf1961]

Think I'm good for a while, just got a 500ml nic from MFS and that will go a long time since I do my own juices now. Also buy a battery here and there or a kit when it's priced right, along with blanks cartos and atomizers, one way or another I will survive this, if and when it happens and I think by then if it really came down to it I could just walk away and not ever pick up another cigarette or vape if it came to that.

 

[DC2]

For instance, PM was (allegedly) looking in to buying Ruyan Group less than a year ago.

I read somewhere, but don't remember where, that PM is still interested in Ruyan Group and that they are waiting for the FDA case to be settled before they do anything.

It may be nothing more than a rumor, and I don't have any idea how credible the source is, so take it with a grain of salt for sure. But I thought I should at least mention it.

 

[ASmith]

I'm not sure stocking up is an option just because there is an experation date on ejuice. Well I suppose you can stock up on just nicquid and the flavorings and stuff will still be on the market. I see an new industry similar to tupperware parties arising in the event of banning, marketing home-made and saving on fines. but then again they've banned narcotics and it is still in ready supply, if a bit more expensive. Still cheaper than smoking I can tell you that.