are cities being paid to ban? (x steveVape)

[Uma]

UPDATE: According to the Times Record News:



Feeling a little heat, were we, Cherokee County Communities of Excellence tobacco Control Program? Worried at the scrutiny of your bribe... er, financial incentive program were we, Cherokee County Communities of Excellence tobacco Control Program?

Sad isn't it.
I've seen the "TobaccoFreeCa" tone change lately too. They have switched from boldface prejudice of minorities, to flattering them for all they're worth. White man (ANTZ) still speaks with forked tongue.

 

[AgentAnia]

An excellent follow-up article is posted on the Cherokee County Republican Party blog (thanks to Bill Godshall for the link in his weekly update):

E-Cigs & Vaping, Do Our Policy Makers Ask Real Questions Before Deciding? | Cherokee County Republican Party

 

[Uma]

Outstanding!!! That's the most beautiful Question & Answer I've witnessed to date. They didn't leave a stone unturned did they.

 

[Dave_in_OK]

An excellent follow-up article is posted on the Cherokee County Republican Party blog (thanks to Bill Godshall for the link in his weekly update):

E-Cigs & Vaping, Do Our Policy Makers Ask Real Questions Before Deciding? | Cherokee County Republican Party

Great read

 

[MacTechVpr]

An excellent follow-up article is posted on the Cherokee County Republican Party blog (thanks to Bill Godshall for the link in his weekly update):

E-Cigs & Vaping, Do Our Policy Makers Ask Real Questions Before Deciding? | Cherokee County Republican Party

Bookmarked!

Good luck!

 

[Anjaffm]

wow great find!!!

What a wonderful, wonderful article!
Will share with German vapers forum and on Twitter

 

[jpargana]

(...)
Actually, I shouldn't be surprised. Nothing, it seems, is beyond these people.... My contempt and disgust have reached new stratospheric levels...
(...)

Quite. Those people (?) always keep us finding new levels. Levels that we didn't even know they existed before...

 

[AgentAnia]

Upon reflection, I should have said "My contempt and disgust have reach new lows; dangerously nearing earth's core..." (Some say there's a black hole at the earth's core. If so, I hope there's a prohibitionist-free dimension on the other side...)

 

[Vocalek]

The Federal Government appears to be pulling some dirty tricks as well:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has a fund called "Communities Putting Prevention to Work" (CPPW) which it uses to support 50 community programs to tackle obesity and tobacco use. CDC - Communities Putting Prevention to Work Program Home A document describing CPPW success stories notes several locations that have included e-cigarettes in their smoking bans. http://healthyamericans.org/health-issues/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CPPW-Success-Stories-8-8.pdf

 

[AgentAnia]

The Federal Government appears to be pulling some dirty tricks as well:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has a fund called "Communities Putting Prevention to Work" (CPPW) which it uses to support 50 community programs to tackle obesity and tobacco use. CDC - Communities Putting Prevention to Work Program Home A document describing CPPW success stories notes several locations that have included e-cigarettes in their smoking bans. http://healthyamericans.org/health-issues/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CPPW-Success-Stories-8-8.pdf

Didn't they get already get slapped on the wrist by ?Congress? over using federal funds for lobbying purposes? I thought those efforts were shut down?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

When the sin tax was first applied economists warned that if the money raised from it was for anything other than health problems associated with the particular subject of the tax the government would become dependent on it. If they keep them related and people cut down on smoking then less money is needed. If they use the funds for something else it creates a situation where the government does not have a true incentive to eliminate it. It was suggested at the time that for other expenditures they needed the source to be from someplace else to avoid this conflict.

What is the government funding with tobacco taxes. Even if it is worthy it probably should have come from another source.

 

[Vocalek]

Didn't they get already get slapped on the wrist by ?Congress? over using federal funds for lobbying purposes? I thought those efforts were shut down?

That was for using government funds to pay lobbyists. I consider this lobbying, too, but the government might not.

Communities Putting Prevention to Work Archives - Page 2 of 2 - Cause of Action

 

[AgentAnia]

When the sin tax was first applied economists warned that if the money raised from it was for anything other than health problems associated with the particular subject of the tax the government would become dependent on it. If they keep them related and people cut down on smoking then less money is needed. If they use the funds for something else it creates a situation where the government does not have e true incentive to eliminate it. It was suggested at the time that for other expenditures needed the source to be from someplace else to avoid this conflict.

What is the government funding with tobacco taxes. Even if it is worthy it probably should have come from another source.

This is the nasty little secret governments at all levels don't want to talk about. On the one hand they make noise about encouraging smokers to quit, while on the other hand they *need* tax revenue from tobacco to fund non-tobacco related programs like eduction and health care. In some instances, some localities even need tobacco tax revenue flowing into the general fund just to keep afloat.

 

[AgentAnia]

That was for using government funds to pay lobbyists. I consider this lobbying, too, but the government might not.

Communities Putting Prevention to Work Archives - Page 2 of 2 - Cause of Action

Thanks for clearing that up. So evidently it's okay to use government funds to encourage the same efforts/results that lobbyists do (sort of eliminating the middleman...?) Oh wait, when the government does it, it's not lobbying?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Thanks for clearing that up. So evidently it's okay to use government funds to encourage the same efforts/results that lobbyists do (sort of eliminating the middleman...?) Oh wait, when the government does it, it's not lobbying?

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Strange, isn't it.

 

[Uma]

Here is the page with the Bronze, Silver, Gold incentive rules.
Tobacco Settlement Endowment Trust - Application

 

[Anjaffm]

The Nanny State can get you killed
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago Move to Restrict Devices that Help Smokers Quit

by Jeff Stier
December 6, 2013

In his testimony, Stier encouraged council members to think twice about whether it is in fact "prudent" to extend New York City's ban on smoking in public places to include e-cigarettes:

I would caution you that this is not the prudent thing to do. The prudent thing to do here is to help cigarette smokers quit. Rushing to judgment here could have serious, unintended consequences that you need to be aware of. It will stop people from quitting smoking. E-cigarettes are not a gateway to smoking. The data does not show that. E-cigarettes are a gateway to quitting smoking.

 

[BuGlen]

There was a related story in Oklahoma (linked below). Maybe some media outlets are starting to understand this concept?

Oklahoma communities ban e-cigarettes with grant money in mind | News OK

 

[Uma]

The Nanny State can get you killed
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago Move to Restrict Devices that Help Smokers Quit

by Jeff Stier
December 6, 2013

Straight forward, honest article. Thanks for sharing this, Anja, I needed that.

 

[AgentAnia]

The Nanny State can get you killed
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago Move to Restrict Devices that Help Smokers Quit

by Jeff Stier
December 6, 2013

"Mayor Bloomberg and his nanny state allies in New York City and Los Angeles have steam coming out of their ears about e-cigarettes. Here is a product created by private-sector innovation that is doing what many hundreds of millions of dollars of government spending, costly litigation, addictive excise taxes, warning labels and punitive regulation have been unable to do: help cigarette smokers quit happily."

"Regulators understand that in order to maintain not only their huge budgets, but their basis for authority to control both private-sector businesses as well as personal decisions, they must demonize, delegitimize, and defeat e-cigarettes every step of the way," Stier says.

I love this guy!