Are E-Cigs Really Safe?

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Hello fellow Vapers!

I've been thinking about how much better I am going to feel as I continue my transition from analogs to ecigs. After having smoked a pack a day for over 40 years, I am already down to a half a pack a day and I've only been vaping for a little while. This really works!!! If nothing else, I feel better mentally knowing I am doing the right thing by swapping one bad habit for one good habit. Or am I?

How many times in the past even with FDA approval on different medications have the people who were prescibed said medications either died, got very ill or had genetically deformed offspring? Only after the science community contiuned its research on said medication and found out that it did cause severe health issues? This happens all the time, more so when a new drug flies under the FDA radar or some exotic herb from another country is sold in the U.S. to some unsuspecting consumer looking for a fast cure. Afterall the pharmaceutical companies hate the FDA and are eager to get their drug on the market regardless of how it make hurt somebody. It's all about greed.

With the advent of ecigs and especially ejuice, I am relieved at this point in time to not hear of any health risks associated with vaping. It almost seems too good to be true and causes me to wonder why Britain want to ban ejuice. But has the FDA and the vaping industry in general really done sufficient research and testing on e-juice to say with 100% confidence that e-juice is totally harmless? When we purchase a bottle of e-juice do we really know what it contains? Just recently I heard reports that DEG was discovered in e-juice imported from China after several users of the product fell ill. Although I'm not really surprised to hear this given the numerous other health issues associated with different items imported from China since they have very different (low) quality control health standards in their country than the U.S. But sometimes even the U.S. public can get ahead of itself and make huge claims that something we take into our bodies is harmless only to find out later that someone either died or fell ill after consuming it.

I for one would like to know what is in this ejuice. I don't feel comfortable squirting a foriegn substance into my tank and then inhaling it without some piece of mind as to what I am consuming. If I'm not mistaken there are a couple of companies that do provide content labeling on their e-juice bottles and I thank them for that. I am inclined to use their product for at least I am making a more informed decision about the consumption of that product.

So let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet. Let's hope these vaping companies will decide to do the right thing to protect the health and safety of those who trust them and consume their ejuice. If one company can do it, why can't all companies follow suite? We all want to know that vaping will not cause us any long or short term health issues. I for one would like to see the vaping industry step up to the plate and further that goal by labeling their e-juice and conduct additonal studies as to the possible health effects of vaping could not hurt either. After all we are just fooling ourselves if we think constantly introducing a foriegn substance into our lungs that is not supposed to be there naturally is good for us. We know cigarettes can kill us but how many people died and how many decades went by before the public was really made aware of the bad effects of smoking? It's all about the good ole American dollar over human life and capitalism at its finest.

Let's proceed with caution and encourage companies to be more responsible and do the right thing as much as they can to promote full-disclosure and do more independent studies of e-juice. At some point I predict this e-juice will hurt somebody especially if it contains anti-freeze. Just a thought!

Happy & Safe Vaping!

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I have never heard of e-juice containing anti freeze. It contains food grade ingredients. PG and VG are safe.

PG and VG are both antifreezes. So is alcohol. It simply means they have a lower freezing point than water.

Oh, and both have been used as antifreeze for automotive applications, but they were used as safer alternatives to diethylene glycol.
 
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Are cookies safe? If I eat to many cookies I get sick, If I continue I get fat, leading to other diseases.
I smoked cigarettes for 42 years. I did not care what the FDA thought about it. Now I vape. I've started feeling better. I can breath better.

Is Vaping SAFE? I don't think anything is 100 percent SAFE. Safer than smoking tobacco? I think YES!
 

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I think you should always be critical of what you put in your body. Ejuice, fluid, food, or medication. I feel like there is sometimes excess scrutiny on vaping where people don't bat an eye at the food that is bought.


DIY like cooking at home gives you the best shot to actually know what you are using.

Very good points. I would be willing to bet that drinking soda every day would have much more deleterious effects on your body than vaping regularly, but knowing exactly what goes into your ejuice is probably the best way to minimize risk.
 

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Are cookies safe? If I eat to many cookies I get sick, If I continue I get fat, leading to other diseases.
I smoked cigarettes for 42 years. I did not care what the FDA thought about it. Now I vape. I've started feeling better. I can breath better.

Is Vaping SAFE? I don't think anything is 100 percent SAFE. Safer than smoking tobacco? I think YES!

True. I think if vaping caused any serious health problems, there would be indications (by changes in body chemistry or other markers of health) that we would know about by now. And I seriously doubt there's anything in your ejuice (provided you go through a reputable company, or DIY), that would cause genetic mutations, so as far as I'm concerned, it's safe enough. Completely safe? Being alive isn't completely safe.
 

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Even when you DIY (which I am attempting as well) you do not know 100% of what you are inhaling - after all you still purchasing Nico, PG/VG and flavorings....yes there are all labelled - but there is no guarantee these are safe and/or not contaminated. Doo doo happens - tainted peanuts, lettuce - nothing is 100% safe............like a fellow member often writes something similar to "breathing air aint 100% safe".
 

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Didn't cigarettes used to be safe?

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It always makes me ever so slightly amused when someone extolls the possible dangers of using ejuice in replacement of the cigarettes they used to smoke. This is by no means a personal jibe at yourself - merely a generalisation I have made from observation.

There are inherent risks when it comes to choosing and using an ejuice supplier. There will always be someone out to make a quick buck at the expense of the customers they sell to. I counteract this personally by ensuring I only purchase juices that are made in Britain (where I reside) by vendors that mix themselves and have already amassed a fairly good reputation within the community. I did initially try the Chinese juices but soon came to the logical conclusion that I did not want to risk possible contamination with inferior products through using those juices exclusively.

I try to purchase only from Vendors that state they use the highest quality ingredients. But no matter how much you try to ensure the "cleanest" suppliers you are ultimately having to use a certain amount of trust and faith that they do indeed divulge the truth about their products.

This can be applied to literally ANYTHING though - do you really know what is in ANYTHING you purchase - even the common everyday items that you have in your fridge. Take time to study the various chemicals that make their way into normal old Milk one day and you may never drink the stuff again - or eat meat - or eat vegetables - or wear clothes or use washing powder - or use air freshener sprays - I can go on but I think you see what I'm getting at... ;)

We can also get the wrong impression from bad reporting. As has already been mentioned anything - any substance - that lowers the freezing point of water can be accurately called "antifreeze" and as people in general know that it's not a good thing to drink or swallow car antifreeze (the most common occurence of the term in the public mindset) we automatically make the leap that car antifreeze is in our ejuice and are naturally shocked and worried about this fact.

But there are various types of antifreeze used in cars - ethylene glycol or polyethylene glycol is the most common component and other additives are added by various makes - you wouldn't want to ingest this stuff for long as it can be fatal - it's odourless colourless and sweet tasting.

The stuff once discovered in a batch of ejuice was Diethylene glycol - but apparently the amounts discovered were very small even for amounts that are classified as "trace" and not near the levels where they would be considered toxic. However I agree they shouldn't have been found at all really.

But bear in mind that propylene Glycol (what we vape) is considered as safe presently - used as a carrier directly into the bloodstream with various drugs - and used as an atmospheric bactericide/virucide in certain aspects of the health industry - even in some inhalers. - Crucially though this can be called ANTIFREEZE because if you put it into your car it would stop the coolant freezing - so it would not be a lie to state that PG containing ejuices have antifreeze in them. This is an important fact to consider.

Personally myself I don't think IMHO that we have to be too concerned with PG or VG - of course the long term studies have not come in yet - We've only been at it a few years and we - all of us vapers - are the guinea pigs / lab rats whether we like it or not. So long as we ensure that we use the best quality ingredients and better yet if we can mix the juices for ourselves with known quality ingredients - the very best we can do at present is to make the risks that we may or may not be facing as low as is possible.

What is the alternative? Smoke cigarettes? We know what is in them - up to 4,000 KNOWN harmful chemicals. On the face of it - 3 chemicals of unknown long term effect versus 4,000 known harmful ones is a very easy decision to make - for me at least.

The other variable then becomes the nicotine itself - is it artificial? Or has it been naturally extracted? Does man made lab nicotine have a worse / lesser effect on the human body than natural nicotine? Probably not an issue or man made nicotine would NEVER have gotten health approval to be used within NRT products otherwise. The only danger posed then from it would be abuse - if you vape like a steam train then you must drop your NIC level or you will eventually suffer NIC OD issues.

So the final variable is whatever is in the flavouring that is used. Should we be inhaling a flavour? On the face of it why not?? - When we smell something do we not get a great big lungful of those self same flavour chemicals? But should we be inhaling them when they are burnt I hear people say - well we're not really - we're inhaling them when they have reached the point where that have converted into a gaseous state - but we never actually burn our ejuice - the atomisers should never be burning the juice unless they become dry and the coil becomes overheated - in which case the juiice will have long gone by then anyway - still not recommended though, so use good quality atomisers and keep them moist!

Some kinds of flavours need to be avoided - some of the buttery or custard types contained a substance called DIACETYL - however nearly all vendors now have sourced flavourings that they say do not contain it after response from the vaping community voicing their concerns regarding the substance. but a forum member called Nikhil explains it better than me in this post here - the rest of the thread is a good read too....

Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl, and Acetoin



Utlimately though I think I can surmise it like this - I've been trying gradually to get my elder brother onto vaping - he's in his fifties and a few years back suffered a heart attack - not because of smoking just bad luck with a clot that had an attitude. Naturally though he's now left with a heart that is partially damaged and should really give up the stinkies. I let him have a vape now and then and he always reacts the same way - coughs his guts up.

Which I find truly amazing as this man smokes every last drop out of his rollies!! And he inhales quite deeply.

So the other night he had another little puff - almost a scared tentative puff and proceeds to cough his guts up - looks at me and states "it can't be good for you!"

Then he rolled a cigarette and smoked it.................??????
 
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