Are Premium Juice Vendors Taking Advantage of us?
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How is that a rip-off? Look. If the site says $20.00 per 30 ml and then charges your credit card $25.00 for it, THAT's a rip-off. The vendor can set their prices anywhere they want. We decide if we're willing to pay it.
It's a little concept called "capitalism" and "What the market will bear" ;0)
It's a little concept called "capitalism" and "What the market will bear" ;0)
They cant because that's the beauty of marketing. It always wins.
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Hahaha.... I'm sorry, I find almost everything you said funny.
Suicide bunny, at least as recently as three months ago would not allow their juice to be sold over 22$ a bottle. At least that's what I was told by a buddy who owns a b&m. I'm not cool enough to have a 55 location chain here. I'm in the dirty south we are stupid. Despite the fact that you have no clue on any of knowledge base, you do realize MONSTER make beats? Not that I like their products or HK, since the mid 80s their sound quality has been steadily dropping. Its now about equivalent with pioneer.
Again, I'm not an audiophile and don't feel the need to brag about my knowledge base, if I like it that's all I care about,
Exactly. And if cigarettes weren't so expensive which creates the perception, liquids would be far cheaper.
I didn't realize how bad we were being ripped off either until I tried other juices sold in high quality at low prices.
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Umm Monster hasn't made Beats in a very long time but whatever tickles your fancy.
But I'm glad you brought up monster though. $150 HDMI cables that perform exactly the same as $3 ones from Monoprice.
And here's Suicide Bunny on sale for $20. It's normally $25. Look at the garbage Space Jam right next to it.
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The Bloodbath from their GWAR line was the worst thing I have ever vaped. Taste is subjective, of course but man it was terrible. I'll never try another GWAR liquid again just on principle. Not knocking MBV as a whole though. I was able to find 3 or 4 from them I like....in fact vaping on one now. I dislike the 3-4 week steep though.
yeah, there will always be people who think something is overpriced or something if just right though. their reasonings behind it are different though. From what I see here though, people who are saying it is a ripoff compare it to the price it costs for them to make their own and they say the stuff they make cheaper tastes good or as good. People who are saying they are fine with the price are saying they cannot duplicate the recipe/flavor from a premium vendor which is a good reason i agree, but then people trying to justify it just for the fact that 'because premium is just better than any DIY' is just flat out wrong.
Umm Monster hasn't made Beats in a very long time but whatever tickles your fancy.
But I'm glad you brought up monster though. $150 HDMI cables that perform exactly the same as $3 ones from Monoprice.
And here's Suicide Bunny on sale for $20. It's normally $25. Look at the garbage Space Jam right next to it.
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Oh I'm so sorry for not keeping up with bad electronics, we dont use that at the lab...
Again... not an audiophile, nor do I use anything that needs to compensate for what it is by using key words in its marketing strategy. I let the items speak for themselves,
I must say though, I really hope you are a happy person in real life.
I'm Gonna pray for you.
Well, kids its been fun!
Time for the weekend!! Gotta go milk the cows and feed the chickens
I'm very happy, thank you and even happier that my wise spending habits and not buying price gouged eLiquid can fund a February family vacation.
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Heres how easy it is to make your own ejuice step by step (lol):
step 1: get nicotine base and flavorings
step 2: add flavorings to nicotine base
step 3: close and shake
There we go! Vanilla Cinnamon Sugar Cookie Gingerbread!
sorry i didnt have a sterile kitchen to make this in, nor did i have precise measuring syringes or beakers or a mixing plate. Left all that crap at the store. Still tastes GREAT, Makes CLOUDS, and was only 2$ and a minute of my time!
step 1: get nicotine base and flavorings
step 2: add flavorings to nicotine base
step 3: close and shake
There we go! Vanilla Cinnamon Sugar Cookie Gingerbread!
sorry i didnt have a sterile kitchen to make this in, nor did i have precise measuring syringes or beakers or a mixing plate. Left all that crap at the store. Still tastes GREAT, Makes CLOUDS, and was only 2$ and a minute of my time!
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Hahahhahahaha... you just come online to bash other people for what they choose to spend their money on and brag to make yourself feel better hahahahaha
Nite all!!
How is that bragging? And I'm not bashing people's habits. They are the victims here. I'm bashing the companies who do it to them. Because even I was a victim of it before actually learning my options.
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yeah i honestly dont know, the people who came in here all mad about people stating facts that premium eliquid is overpriced, act like we are bashing them for buying it. I never read anywhere in this thread someone calling someone else stupid for buying premium eliquid or anyone trying to force someone to stop buying premium eliquid? Sounds like a personal issue to me.
That's what you are not getting!
For 1- no one speaks for me but me.
For 2- when i pay for any liquid its because i want to. If something is not worth the price asked I wont pay it.
Being over the age of 18 and legally an adult I have a fully functional brain(arguable point for some) and dont need nor want an anonymous 'audiophile' speaking for me.
For 3- as of this moment the feds have not intervened in the vaping industry and if/when that happens we will probably wish prices went back to where they are now.
I dont understand how the concept of an unregulated free market system is so complicated.
I'm with the OP on this one. I think that some of the liquid vendors have their juices priced too high for the cost it takes to make it. I have no issue with the ones that put time making their own extracts charging a bit more because hell they took the time to do that. However, some of these vendors do not put that same level of care into producing their flavors and will use the same flavorings that I have access to then charge the same prices or maybe a bit lower for their liquid. IMO that's like paying for apples and getting oranges; it just doesn't make any sense. I also feel that the level of customer service that I received from some of these vendors just made it so miserable for me to even get my liquids. I've been DIY'ing my own stuff for the past 6 months and don't plan on spending another dime on anything other than what I can find at my local vape shop because their customer service is amazing. The people that put care into their product and care into their customer base will get my business every time, but these others not so much. That's just my opinion though and I won't knock anyone for purchasing their liquids where ever they want. Some flavors are not easy to clone and are very addictive
I took the plunge and paid full price for Gambit! so far I haven't been impressed. For the price I paid I was expecting top quality stuff. Thought I would check the stuff out and see if it was worth the high price.
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yep, everyones tastebuds are different, some will rave about a flavor while others will bash it. When youre vaping on subohm coils and go through so much juice nowadays thats where the price gets steep in trying all these premades with it being hit or miss. could be 20$ down the drain or 20$ well spent, I personally am not one to take the chance to toss 20$ down the drain anymore unless like you said, they exhibit high customer service, or personally, their branding and advertising and word of mouth is standout and extremely attractive to me.
I'm not here to sway anyone or to say 'start DIY'. I'm here to give the numbers; and help those wondering what the costs are. Thats all. If you like your vendor, keep your vendor, im Derty, not Healthcare.gov
I use to buy from a couple of companies that were a bit lower priced... like $8 / 30ml and even i took the plunge.
Let's assume the flavor you like has 4 flavors. We'll make 30ml of it right now.
Flavoring: 4x2.5=$10 / 40ml .025/ml *only 10-20% max should be used per bottle*
pg 3.19 / 120ml .02658 / ml
vg 3.19 / 120ml .02658 /ml
nic 6.39 / 120ml @ 12mg/ml .053 /ml and thats if you make 12mg
this is a rough showing of how much it costs to make your liquid. in all actuality you won't be doing it exactly like this but i went with the more 'expensive' method instead of getting 1 liter or 1 gallon of each pg / vg *which does make a difference* 100mg nic and busting that sucker down to size.
so grand total it would cost me $4 for a 30ml bottle *again this is if i get the more expensive option for nic and pg / vg*
feathers costs you $13 for a 30ml bottle
good example: spend $200
feathers: aprox 462ml
diy: aprox 1500ml *thats NEARLY half a gallon*
but truth in numbers; i just spent 75 last night, about to buy another 95 and i'll have enough fluid, flavor and nic to make 3 gallons... as long as SOME ONE keeps the damned cats out of my office while im mixing lmao
I use to buy from a couple of companies that were a bit lower priced... like $8 / 30ml and even i took the plunge.
Let's assume the flavor you like has 4 flavors. We'll make 30ml of it right now.
Flavoring: 4x2.5=$10 / 40ml .025/ml *only 10-20% max should be used per bottle*
pg 3.19 / 120ml .02658 / ml
vg 3.19 / 120ml .02658 /ml
nic 6.39 / 120ml @ 12mg/ml .053 /ml and thats if you make 12mg
this is a rough showing of how much it costs to make your liquid. in all actuality you won't be doing it exactly like this but i went with the more 'expensive' method instead of getting 1 liter or 1 gallon of each pg / vg *which does make a difference* 100mg nic and busting that sucker down to size.
so grand total it would cost me $4 for a 30ml bottle *again this is if i get the more expensive option for nic and pg / vg*
feathers costs you $13 for a 30ml bottle
good example: spend $200
feathers: aprox 462ml
diy: aprox 1500ml *thats NEARLY half a gallon*
but truth in numbers; i just spent 75 last night, about to buy another 95 and i'll have enough fluid, flavor and nic to make 3 gallons... as long as SOME ONE keeps the damned cats out of my office while im mixing lmao
I would definitely not consider Halo premium. I don't like anything they make -- none of their so-called "tobacco" flavors taste the slightest thing like any tobacco I've ever tasted! And people say, oh it's the high PG you don't like -- BS! Everything I make is 83%-84% PG! I realize that tobacco-flavored vapes are nothing like real smoking, but some "virginia" and smokier flavors are in the same neighborhood as tobacco; Halo's don't even come close.
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