Are Regulated Devices Future Proof?

[antony73]

It seems there are two current paths when buying vaping kit; Mechs and Regulated.

Mechs can be cheaper and are sturdy. Regulated devices give a constant vape are have safety features. But what if the FDA were to place a ban on EVs? If the mech would outlast the Regulated, then Regulated devices would be a waste of money. Circuit boards and other electronics can and do wear out. I am guessing that even fuses and Kicks have a life span.

For those of you who buy Provari and DNA30 devices, how do you see the future? These devices are not cheap. Why do you buy them with the future being uncertain, ie. ciga-like devices only?

I have my answer, just want to know what others think.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The FDA ( food & drug administration) can't ban or regulate non food or drug products.
Delivery & power devices are not going anywhere, the juice is their only focus.

 

[Singaw]

I don't fully understand the situation with the FDA because I am not in the United States and their laws have no effect on me other than maybe convincing my government to follow suit. I prefer mechanicals for many reasons and I know at the end of this world there will be two things left... Cockroaches and my Panzer mods.

 

[Wow1420]

Logically, the FDA shouldn't be able to regulate mods and batteries. However, reading their deeming proposal, it certainly seems they intend to try.

I have both mechs and regulated devices. Alternating between devices, I should be OK for many years regardless of what happens.

 

[WillyZee]

I honestly see the 3 used Provaris I bought from the classies working for a very long time.

I would not be surprised to see 1 or 2 still working 10+ years from now

 

[SingedVapor]

They can't take the stuff we already own. I love my regulated mods. And besides. I'm not worried about having to buy new ones now that I can make my own. I'll just fix it or make a new one

 

[serenity21899]

I have many mods both regulated and mechs. I vape what I like to vape. The future was uncertain even before the FDA. I cannot see the future, but I think I'm good for quite awhile.

 

[amolson]

Myself, that's probably the number 1 reason I bought a Provari. It's built as a high reliability device, which means at least 20 years service life, probably longer. I can build a mech in an afternoon with pieces from the hardware store, so I see no reason to buy one in advance.

Look at what happens on fleabay. Their list of banned goods is enormous, but no one listens. I don't think a ban on PVs or even eJuice can be effective and it will be no more than a fleabay type ban. Especially since unlike during the era of the Comstock Laws, there are multiple shippers and even ways of paying for goods that are not under government control.

If even the cops ignore the laws and refuse to enforce them, it doesn't matter what some little clique does with their little dress up game off in DC or a capital somewhere. They can ban dihydrogenmonoxide. There have been places that have come really close. 86% of people surveyed, after appropriate education, signed a petition to ban DHMO. Still doesn't matter, since even if they made such a ban, no one would obey it.

 

[The Torch]

If anything, mechs would be banned since they don't offer any regulation and taking any protection out of them is as simple as bypassing wires -if they even have a fuse to start with. That's not some health regulation board's job and would have to come directly from the government.

Good circuit boards don't wear out that easily: I have many 100$ flashlights that use multiple 18650's and they're not dying anytime soon and I use those with 15 to 30 amp output to the LED(s) often enough (okay, not 8 hours per day like a PV, but a PV stays on for seconds at a time only). A good mod with quality circuits should still last about as long. I repair much much more complicated machines that use power packs made of 18650's and some of those have been in service even before I finished college. The real problem here is circuit quality and how the operator trats his machine, but that also depends on how much you are willing to spend for a good unit.

I say: Buy shoes for 30$ and buy multiple pairs a year. Pay 120$+ for your shoes and don't shop for 2 years or more (those are numbers I actually collected through my own unofficial poll). Good electronics can live for 10 years of regular use if treated properly.

Emmm.... I think I've been straying off topic... vape on

 

[Baditude]

From what I understand, if the FDA follows through with their proposed Deeming Regulations, CASAA is prepared to file a class action lawsuit to prevent its implementation.

The FDA banned e-cigs a few years ago. They were taken to court and the ban was reversed. One would think they would have learned from past mistakes.

 

[danca90]

I can see it now, Provaris and DNA 30 mods will be advertised as dry herb vaping. Devices can't go anywhere.

 

[SingedVapor]

I can see it now, Provaris and DNA 30 mods will be advertised as dry herb vaping. Devices can't go anywhere.

The day I see these beautiful machines advertised for that....

I may die a little inside

 

[danca90]

The day I see these beautiful machines advertised for that....

I may die a little inside

If the FDA tries to regulate it, but allow things designed for illegal substances, why not beat them at their own game?

 

[K_Tech]

Mechanical wear and thermal stress are your enemy. If you take good care of your electronics, they'll take care of you. Although electronics have sort of a lifespan, I have some old audio gear that's 30 to 50 years old that has had nothing but a little TLC to keep running strong.

I'd be willing to bet that there's a lot of good vape gear that will still be kicking after 30 years as long as the 510 threading doesn't wear out.

 

[Ryedan]

It seems there are two current paths when buying vaping kit; Mechs and Regulated.

Mechs can be cheaper and are sturdy. Regulated devices give a constant vape are have safety features. But what if the FDA were to place a ban on EVs? If the mech would outlast the Regulated, then Regulated devices would be a waste of money. Circuit boards and other electronics can and do wear out. I am guessing that even fuses and Kicks have a life span.

For those of you who buy Provari and DNA30 devices, how do you see the future? These devices are not cheap. Why do you buy them with the future being uncertain, ie. ciga-like devices only?

I have my answer, just want to know what others think.

How far into the future are you talking about antony? In the US no new regulations will likely significantly change vaping as we know it for three more years anyways. In that time I foresee a lot of new technology still being brought to market. It would not surprise me if something innovative developed in that time that would make all our present power supplies and/or attys almost irrelevant. For that reason I believe It's too early to start buying for vapeocalypse just yet.

There are though a few really tough mods on the market now that can be counted on to last a long time in use. IMO these include both regulated and mechanical mods. Mech mods are probably easier to repair, but not everyone can do it and they are IMO a bit harder to keep running well. Regulated mods are more difficult to repair for the average user, but until something goes wrong they just work.

OTOH, if mods become scarce, people will figure out ways to keep good quality regulated and mechanical mods working for quite a long time.

 

[turbocad6]

most people change phones every 1-2 years, cars and computers every 3-4 years, why anyone requires there few hundred buck pv to last them 20+ years I just don't get... how long did 2 cartons of cigarettes last you?

 

[WillyZee]

most people change phones every 1-2 years, cars and computers every 3-4 years, why anyone requires there few hundred buck pv to last them 20+ years I just don't get... how long did 2 cartons of cigarettes last you?

The difference is ... companies like Apple and Android change the OS, which makes perfectly good phones not work so well.

The Provaris and Reos of today are going to continue providing the same awesome vape years from now.

I'm posting this on a 4 year old Mac ... that works just as it did when it was new.

 

[amolson]

most people change phones every 1-2 years, cars and computers every 3-4 years, why anyone requires there few hundred buck pv to last them 20+ years I just don't get... how long did 2 cartons of cigarettes last you?

And I've used a 50 year old Kitchen Aide mixer that works just like new. Other than cosmetic and reliability issues, there are no significant differences among PVs other than PWM vs DC output. Power is simply a matter of scale.

So unless someone comes out with something really, really spectacular in the way we vaporize ejuice, I don't see there being any upgrade path. Just like there's nothing new in the way of mixing ingredients so there's no point in buying a new mixer if you had the sense to buy a Kitchen Aide 50 years ago.

Oh, and cars, well, people do (albeit rarely) drive cars that were made 100 years ago and regularly drive cars that are more than 50-60 years old. Computers and cell phones have become commodities, but how many people (who still have a land line phone) have replaced one that was less than 10-15 years old? And there are companies who haven't fallen pray to constant upgrades who are using 10-15 year old computers. For basic things, they work just fine. And vaping is a pretty basic thing to do. It doesn't need much in the way of smarts from the electronics.

 

[antony73]

Good answers, all.

I hear many scare stories sometimes about the future of vaping. I have considered going down the Mech Mod route to cover myself. But really, how much can a person cover themselves. Even with the best kit, it's an almost impossible task to be 100% future proof. I often consider ways to build my own kit, including Atomizers and a safer homemade Mech Mod.

I'm becoming more self-reliant all the time. I really don't need anything for the next two years. I'd hate to be in a situation where I was tied to spending hand over fist on cartridges for ciga-likes.

But as has been said, a ban on Mods is a worst case scenario, and a highly unlikely outcome. But still, there are ways and means to keep kit going in some form if it's looked after well enough.

 

[Dusif]

You can never be sure when it comes to the future BUT you can always fix whats broken the only things to worry about is how much does it cost and where to get spare parts...
So if you end up loving a dna30 device, they get banned and it breaks... Go to a person that knows about small electronics and pay to have it fixed


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