What would GOOD regulation look like?

[AndriaD]

Andria, if I may loosely quote you.... is quite possibly the best thing I've read in a very long time.

Keeping irretrievably stupid people around is how politicians stay in business, develop a fear that only the stupid will buy into, convince the stupid masses that only you can protect them from this evil, and use the stupid vote to win elections. Job security at its best.

Maurice

I know!! And just imagine how much real estate would be freed up, if the irretrievably stupid would just vanish. I know my husband's job would become a lot more pleasant for him; he comes home frothing at the mouth about the stupid people at work almost every day. And just think how much more fun driving would be!!

Andria

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I know!! And just imagine how much real estate would be freed up, if the irretrievably stupid would just vanish. I know my husband's job would become a lot more pleasant for him; he comes home frothing at the mouth about the stupid people at work almost every day. And just think how much more fun driving would be!!

Andria

We certainly live our days just trying to stay afloat in the sea of stupidity.

I much prefer the idea of allowing folks to reap the fruits of what they themselves have sown, be those fruits lavish and wonderful or dry and full of poison.

Yet I do have a bit of inner tempering that affords me a desire to help those who are truly unable to help themselves, but I give no quarter to those who can but don't.

Maurice

 

[edyle]

I think perhaps it's more "Standards" than "Regulations" that we need;

For example, I like to see the "CE" compliance logo when I buy equipment.

Similarly, I'd like some way to be assured that the insulators used in the manufacture of tanks are suitable, and not just the cheapest material the manufacturer to find.
I'd like to know that the tank material (steel, brass) conforms to a standard and not have a high lead content.

Personally I think the standard are best driven from the industry itself; we see that with the "AW" batteries for example.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I think perhaps it's more "Standards" than "Regulations" that we need;

For example, I like to see the "CE" compliance logo when I buy equipment.

Similarly, I'd like some way to be assured that the insulators used in the manufacture of tanks are suitable, and not just the cheapest material the manufacturer to find.
I'd like to know that the tank material (steel, brass) conforms to a standard and not have a high lead content.

Personally I think the standard are best driven from the industry itself; we see that with the "AW" batteries for example.

We have a state here in the US that is chock full of standards, one most every Californian is very familiar with is the "This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer" http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...this_product_contains_chemicals_known_to_the/

Nearly anything you touch in the state of California has some potential to cause cancer if the warning labels are to be believed.

As a matter of fact I purchased a bit of lumber the other day here in Kentucky from a nation wide chain of home improvement stores that had the California warning.

The warning does not state exactly what chemical is in the wood, and it doesn't say how much of that chemical is in the wood, or what my chances of getting cancer from my lumber is, just a tidy little warning saying to the effect "this thing like everything else has some cancer causing crap in it". After seeing the warning a zillion million times you kinda just laugh at it and go on about your life (normal folks), or if you really really need big government to tell you what to do, you freak out and go on a year long adventure looking for organic pesticide free, gluten free, all natural, sustainable, fair trade lumber. And take an extra long shower at home because you actually touched the cancer causing wood.

I'm sure whomever drafted that warning is tickled pink every time he or she sees it, and quietly says " I got paid to write that crap".

Maurice

 

[AndriaD]

We have a state here in the US that is chock full of standards, one most every Californian is very familiar with is the "This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer" http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...this_product_contains_chemicals_known_to_the/

Nearly anything you touch in the state of California has some potential to cause cancer if the warning labels are to be believed.

As a matter of fact I purchased a bit of lumber the other day here in Kentucky from a nation wide chain of home improvement stores that had the California warning.

The warning does not state exactly what chemical is in the wood, and it doesn't say how much of that chemical is in the wood, or what my chances of getting cancer from my lumber is, just a tidy little warning saying to the effect "this thing like everything else has some cancer causing crap in it". After seeing the warning a zillion million times you kinda just laugh at it and go on about your life (normal folks), or if you really really need big government to tell you what to do, you freak out and go on a year long adventure looking for organic pesticide free, gluten free, all natural, sustainable, fair trade lumber. And take an extra long shower at home because you actually touched the cancer causing wood.

I'm sure whomever drafted that warning is tickled pink every time he or she sees it, and quietly says " I got paid to write that crap".

Maurice

I swear, every single thing I hear about the 'state of California' just reinforces why it's called "the land of fruits and nuts." and kale -- can't forget the kale!

Andria

 

[rondasherrill]

We have a state here in the US that is chock full of standards, one most every Californian is very familiar with is the "This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer" http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...this_product_contains_chemicals_known_to_the/

Nearly anything you touch in the state of California has some potential to cause cancer if the warning labels are to be believed.

As a matter of fact I purchased a bit of lumber the other day here in Kentucky from a nation wide chain of home improvement stores that had the California warning.

The warning does not state exactly what chemical is in the wood, and it doesn't say how much of that chemical is in the wood, or what my chances of getting cancer from my lumber is, just a tidy little warning saying to the effect "this thing like everything else has some cancer causing crap in it". After seeing the warning a zillion million times you kinda just laugh at it and go on about your life (normal folks), or if you really really need big government to tell you what to do, you freak out and go on a year long adventure looking for organic pesticide free, gluten free, all natural, sustainable, fair trade lumber. And take an extra long shower at home because you actually touched the cancer causing wood.

I'm sure whomever drafted that warning is tickled pink every time he or she sees it, and quietly says " I got paid to write that crap".

Maurice

Ahem... I wonder if there is a California warning label on brooms, considering they cause cancer. 'Ridiculous' health and safety rules tell carpenters to ban the broom - Telegraph

LMAO!

 

[HauntedMyst]

What would GOOD regulation look like?

List of ingredients on bottles and safety caps on all

A world wide ban on Big Tobacco releasing products into the vaping market.

 

[DaveP]

The list of 599 "FDA Approved chemicals" in cigarette tobacco is at the link below. That's after years of regulation.

Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes

The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes

The list of chemicals in vape juice is short. What are we worried about other than unfair regulation that squeezes Mom and Pop out of business?

 

[Wow1420]

The list of 599 "FDA Approved chemicals" in cigarette tobacco is at the link below. That's after years of regulation.

Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes



The list of chemicals in vape juice is short. What are we worried about other than unfair regulation that squeezes Mom and Pop out of business?

I want Mom and Pop to label their liquids with regards to whether it contains artificial colors, sweeteners like sucralose, alcohol, VG/PG ratio, artificial flavors or natural flavors (natural flavors could turn out to be worse for vaping than artificial) and accurate nic level. Is that really too much to ask for?

Mostly a moot point for me personally, as I'm strictly DIY now, except for using up what purchased liquid I already have. I mostly DIY to save money, but lack of transparency from vendors about what's in their products did play a part in my decision process.

 

[Wow1420]

To all those who say they support age limits -

What if that was enforced by requiring face to face sales only, no internet sales? Is that something you could live with, because I could't.

I wouldn't have a problem with local or state level laws that required vape shops to card for 18+.

 

[rondasherrill]

To all those who say they support age limits -

What if that was enforced by requiring face to face sales only, no internet sales? Is that something you could live with, because I could't.

I wouldn't have a problem with local or state level laws that required vape shops to card for 18+.

I highly doubt that would be a probability. You can buy cigarettes and alcohol online no problem. Age restriction is just something people will have to accept. E-Liquid in its traditional form contains nicotine, and that is not something that any government agency will ever be okay allowing children to freely obtain.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I think welcoming any regulation is like using coyotes to guard your chickens.

Everywhere I've traveled it is already illegal to sell to minors, where I buy juice it has been coming with those funky child/man proof caps for years.

Regulate vaping using your wallet.
Don't buy from vendors that won't say exactly what is in their juice, there are plenty that don't hide the info from their customers.
If you vape a juice that cracks/hazes/degrades plastics that should tell you sumthin, like it's probably not a good idea to inhale it into your lungs.
Don't buy cheap low quality plastic clearo's.
Don't use asbestos for wicking material.
Don't buy suspicious quality / cheap pv's / apv's.
Don't buy re wrapped fake, suspicious / low quality batteries.

Do your own homework be an informed consumer, don't invite or rely on the govt to do it for you.

Buy from reliable reputable vendors let the rest fail from lack of business.

 

[Wow1420]

I highly doubt that would be a probability. You can buy cigarettes and alcohol online no problem. Age restriction is just something people will have to accept. E-Liquid in its traditional form contains nicotine, and that is not something that any government agency will ever be okay allowing children to freely obtain.

Interesting, it appears that you are correct, I thought PACT made buying cigarettes on-line illegal, but apparently, it's only difficult, not illegal.
FedEx, UPS and USPS will not ship cigarettes to consumers. FedEx and USPS will not ship any tobacco product to consumers.

https://www.usps.com/ship/domestic-tobacco-restrictions.htm?
Prohibited & Restricted Articles | FXF Rules Tariff - FedEx (section G)
UPS: Shipping Tobacco (I'm unclear if tobacco products other that cigarettes are prohibited?)

So, after deeming, we may be able to purchase e-liquid, but not have it shipped anywhere?