Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

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airdogvan

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I don't want to accuse anyone but personally I think they are, although for most of them, not intentionally.

A few considerations:

For vapers, it's very tempting to ignore the potential dangers:
Most vapers were former smokers, including myself. For most of us it is extremely tempting to jump on something that satisfies our craving for nicotine and is very similar to smoking. I was a smoker (2 packs a day of Camels) for 46 years and like most smokers I've tried all alternative methods for quitting, without success. I quit smoking after the fist puff of vapor and never thought about cigarettes again (it's been 6 months now). It's very tempting for me to try to ignore any argument that would point to potential dangers of vaping.

Those who claim that vaping is safe might very well be protecting financial interests of their own:
One argument I often read about those pointing to the potential dangers of vaping is that they are protecting interest of big tobacco or pharmaceutical (patches, gums, etc) companies. That may very well be true but let's not forget that although the vaping industry represent only a small fraction of revenues compared to the 2 mentioned above, the vaping industry is still cashing billions and that amount is growing exponentially (estimates vary from 100% to 400% yearly growth). Are we forgetting that those who claim so loudly that vaping is so much safer than smoking might very well be protecting their own financial interests?

The fact that most or all ingredients found in e-liquids are considered safe to eat doesn't mean that they're safe to vape:
First there's the fact that ingesting PG or VG or any of the thousands of chemicals contained in flavoring and/or coloring with food or medication is NOT the same as ingesting them through vapor. As we all know heating something sometimes modifies its chemical structure, can create chemical interactions and/or modifications of the components involved. In other words it's not because it's safe to eat something that it's safe to inhale the same thing that has been submitted to extreme heat and vaporized.
And then of course there's the question of pure quantity. My wife is asthmatic and inhales (non heated) PG with her medication. But let's face it, quantities involved are hugely different. I vape more or less 10ml/day. Can I assume that because the few micro mls of PG contained in asthma medication have been deemed safe I can with impunity ingest million of times that quantity when vaping?

And then there is the fact that amongst some of the thousand of chemicals involved in the composition of e-liquids a few ARE extremely dangerous:
If you're vaping and find my post ridiculous, please at least read this thread: XXX.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html (Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?) Forgive the XXX but I'm not allowed to post links. Please replace with www

Long term research is non-existent:
We do have a few researches about short term effects of vaping and they do seem to indicate, for most of them at least, that vaping is much safer than smoking. But of course we have absolutely no long term researches due to the simple fact that vaping hasn't been around for that long. In other words, me and other vapers are guinea pigs and our cadavers, when we die, are hopefully going to provide data for future generations of vapers.

Does it mean we should panic and stop vaping?
Of course that's for each of us to decide. Personally, I consider that if we think that we are daily ingesting GMO's, breathing polluted air, eating transformed food containing millions of chemicals, vaping is probably not much worse than all that stuff.
But blindly believing that vaping is safe and that as ex-smokers, we can have our cake and eat it too is a bit unrealistic.
And also let's try to keep in mind that those defending vaping so loudly may have strong financial motivations to do so. Pointing the finger at tobacco and pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have financial interests of your own to protect.
 

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Valid questions! I often take a step back to analyze self for bias, because I, like thousands of others, want the truths, not the hype. If they're safe for 364 days, but not 365, we want to *know*, so we can make informed decisions, not preference decisions.

With that said, most studies find vaping is indeed MAGNITUDES safer than smoking. This, of course, suggests, moderation is the key in every thing we humans do.

Here is a page with a nice compilation of studies. The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping

Welcome to the forum!
 

Jay-dub

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Nothing is safe. There are always potential dangers. I just know I can taste and smell things again. I no longer wheeze and cough, I have more stamina, and this year is the first of year in many that I haven't had so much as a cold - let alone an annual visit to the clinic for a sinus/throat/lung infection. I'm hard-pressed to believe that somehow, over time, the symptoms that stopped after switching to vaping would start up again because of vaping. Other, unforeseen issues may arise. But I see no reason to quit a good thing based on speculation. My experience is concrete, so I'll go by that for now.
 

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I don't want to accuse anyone but personally I think they are, although for most of them, not intentionally.

A few considerations:

For vapers, it's very tempting to ignore the potential dangers:
Most vapers were former smokers, including myself. For most of us it is extremely tempting to jump on something that satisfies our craving for nicotine and is very similar to smoking. I was a smoker (2 packs a day of Camels) for 46 years and like most smokers I've tried all alternative methods for quitting, without success. I quit smoking after the fist puff of vapor and never thought about cigarettes again (it's been 6 months now). It's very tempting for me to try to ignore any argument that would point to potential dangers of vaping.

Those who claim that vaping is safe might very well be protecting financial interests of their own:
One argument I often read about those pointing to the potential dangers of vaping is that they are protecting interest of big tobacco or pharmaceutical (patches, gums, etc) companies. That may very well be true but let's not forget that although the vaping industry represent only a small fraction of revenues compared to the 2 mentioned above, the vaping industry is still cashing billions and that amount is growing exponentially (estimates vary from 100% to 400% yearly growth). Are we forgetting that those who claim so loudly that vaping is so much safer than smoking might very well be protecting their own financial interests?

The fact that most or all ingredients found in e-liquids are considered safe to eat doesn't mean that they're safe to vape:
First there's the fact that ingesting PG or VG or any of the thousands of chemicals contained in flavoring and/or coloring with food or medication is NOT the same as ingesting them through vapor. As we all know heating something sometimes modifies its chemical structure, can create chemical interactions and/or modifications of the components involved. In other words it's not because it's safe to eat something that it's safe to inhale the same thing that has been submitted to extreme heat and vaporized.
And then of course there's the question of pure quantity. My wife is asthmatic and inhales (non heated) PG with her medication. But let's face it, quantities involved are hugely different. I vape more or less 10ml/day. Can I assume that because the few micro mls of PG contained in asthma medication have been deemed safe I can with impunity ingest million of times that quantity when vaping?

And then there is the fact that amongst some of the thousand of chemicals involved in the composition of e-liquids a few ARE extremely dangerous:
If you're vaping and find my post ridiculous, please at least read this thread: XXX.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html (Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?) Forgive the XXX but I'm not allowed to post links. Please replace with www

Long term research is non-existent:
We do have a few researches about short term effects of vaping and they do seem to indicate, for most of them at least, that vaping is much safer than smoking. But of course we have absolutely no long term researches due to the simple fact that vaping hasn't been around for that long. In other words, me and other vapers are guinea pigs and our cadavers, when we die, are hopefully going to provide data for future generations of vapers.

Does it mean we should panic and stop vaping?
Of course that's for each of us to decide. Personally, I consider that if we think that we are daily ingesting GMO's, breathing polluted air, eating transformed food containing millions of chemicals, vaping is probably not much worse than all that stuff.
But blindly believing that vaping is safe and that as ex-smokers, we can have our cake and eat it too is a bit unrealistic.
And also let's try to keep in mind that those defending vaping so loudly may have strong financial motivations to do so. Pointing the finger at tobacco and pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have financial interests of your own to protect.

Who's side are you on here?

IMO youre far from an expert on vaping.Come back and give us your opinions when you know more about it.

The CASAA website would be a great place to start, they have more than just "a couple of studies" that might offer some illumination for you.

Posts like this by "vapers" always make me question their intentions and/or their intelligence because it seems like youre doing the other sides work for them as well as spreading fear and misinformation.

The official policy here on these forums and with CASAA has always been about harm reduction. It might not be completely safe but its still far safer than the alternative.

Anyone who has actually vaped for any length of time can see the benefits for themselves. I'm almost 17 months completely cigarette free and I havent felt this good in 20 years.
 
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I consider vaping harm reduction. My own body reminds me every day that I'm healthier than I was two years ago, and the only thing that has changed over the last two years is that I've traded cigarettes for e-liquid.

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the inevitable scientific studies, but I don't need them to tell me that I'm not destroying my body. My own improved health is all the evidence I need to feel okay about telling other smokers that while vaping may not be "safe," it is most certainly "safer."
 

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I don't want to accuse anyone but personally I think they are, although for most of them, not intentionally.

A few considerations:

For vapers, it's very tempting to ignore the potential dangers:
Most vapers were former smokers, including myself. For most of us it is extremely tempting to jump on something that satisfies our craving for nicotine and is very similar to smoking. I was a smoker (2 packs a day of Camels) for 46 years and like most smokers I've tried all alternative methods for quitting, without success. I quit smoking after the fist puff of vapor and never thought about cigarettes again (it's been 6 months now). It's very tempting for me to try to ignore any argument that would point to potential dangers of vaping.

Those who claim that vaping is safe might very well be protecting financial interests of their own:
One argument I often read about those pointing to the potential dangers of vaping is that they are protecting interest of big tobacco or pharmaceutical (patches, gums, etc) companies. That may very well be true but let's not forget that although the vaping industry represent only a small fraction of revenues compared to the 2 mentioned above, the vaping industry is still cashing billions and that amount is growing exponentially (estimates vary from 100% to 400% yearly growth). Are we forgetting that those who claim so loudly that vaping is so much safer than smoking might very well be protecting their own financial interests?

The fact that most or all ingredients found in e-liquids are considered safe to eat doesn't mean that they're safe to vape:
First there's the fact that ingesting PG or VG or any of the thousands of chemicals contained in flavoring and/or coloring with food or medication is NOT the same as ingesting them through vapor. As we all know heating something sometimes modifies its chemical structure, can create chemical interactions and/or modifications of the components involved. In other words it's not because it's safe to eat something that it's safe to inhale the same thing that has been submitted to extreme heat and vaporized.
And then of course there's the question of pure quantity. My wife is asthmatic and inhales (non heated) PG with her medication. But let's face it, quantities involved are hugely different. I vape more or less 10ml/day. Can I assume that because the few micro mls of PG contained in asthma medication have been deemed safe I can with impunity ingest million of times that quantity when vaping?

And then there is the fact that amongst some of the thousand of chemicals involved in the composition of e-liquids a few ARE extremely dangerous:
If you're vaping and find my post ridiculous, please at least read this thread: XXX.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html (Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?) Forgive the XXX but I'm not allowed to post links. Please replace with www

Long term research is non-existent:
We do have a few researches about short term effects of vaping and they do seem to indicate, for most of them at least, that vaping is much safer than smoking. But of course we have absolutely no long term researches due to the simple fact that vaping hasn't been around for that long. In other words, me and other vapers are guinea pigs and our cadavers, when we die, are hopefully going to provide data for future generations of vapers.

Does it mean we should panic and stop vaping?
Of course that's for each of us to decide. Personally, I consider that if we think that we are daily ingesting GMO's, breathing polluted air, eating transformed food containing millions of chemicals, vaping is probably not much worse than all that stuff.
But blindly believing that vaping is safe and that as ex-smokers, we can have our cake and eat it too is a bit unrealistic.
And also let's try to keep in mind that those defending vaping so loudly may have strong financial motivations to do so. Pointing the finger at tobacco and pharmaceutical companies doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have financial interests of your own to protect.

If you are interested in getting some data, please go to CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association and read up.

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

Also there are simply thousands of first hand cases where individuals who have been doing this for quite sometime have noted health benefits, not only observable by themselves, but by their physicians as well.

If you do have a true interest in making sure that vaping is safer than smoking, then I suggest you do your research and read up.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to throw up the...

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... and be done with thee.
 

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Safer than smoking? It would be hard to argue that it isn't.

Most things are safer than smoking. While there is the possibility that there are a few dangerous compounds that arise when e-fluid is vaporized (and it depends on the fluid, some are now advertising themselves as diacetyl free), if you compare this with the dozens of compounds in real cigarettes it's pretty safe to assume that you are engaging in a much less risky behavior.

That said, I really miss the benzine and toluene I got from a pack of Camel Turkish Royals...
 
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To me saying that I'm feeling better doesn't mean much. Did any of you feel the effects of smoking after only a few months? Reading about the effects of diacetyl is scary and it's contained in a lot of juices

Most e-liquid companies have worked hard to remove diacetyl. It is in trace amounts in one popular UK liquid concentrate.
....other than that, it's become one of the great no-nos in liquid manufacture.

How old are the reports? Things are far better now than 2-3 years ago.
 

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The official policy here on these forums and with CASAA has always been about harm reduction. It might not be completely safe but its still far safer than the alternative.

That's my own personal policy, too. I've tried to consume as much information about vaping as I could get my grubby little paws on. I know that nothing would be better than to inhale nothing but clean, filtered air, but I am convinced that vaping is MUCH better for me than my three-decade smoking habit.

From how my body has responded, and what my doctor tells me, I know I made the right decision by switching to something that is much less harmful than cigarettes.

If you do have a true interest in making sure that vaping is safer than smoking, then I suggest you do your research and read up.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to throw up the...

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... and be done with thee.

Hopefully that's not the case. I don't mind ANY dialogue on the subject of vaping versus smoking, but I wish more people would do their homework before proclaiming that the sky is falling.
 
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