Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

[zanedog]

TJ - when you die, can you please ensure that you are wearing a nicotine patch and running shoes, and have half of a fat-free healthy snack and a sugar-free soda beside you, please?

That way, your death can be attributed to Public Health - an entirely satisfactory outcome.

Off topic, but rolygate, you mentioned you had a sig that shows how to contact you? Well, i don't know whats going on, if it's my settings or what not, but I see no sig in any of your posts. I tried a PM but you are not accepting any. So, just wondering why your sig is not showing up when I view your posts.
Thank you

 

[crxess]

Safe or Healthier?

Safe is never being Born - after that it is all down hill.

There ARE recent studies and using an argument like NO Long term to argue a relative new interest/item/discovery is a total joke.
How long term was the study of the Earth being Flat before some adventurous fool sailed off......errr....around the world?

My personal belief, not swayed by any entity, is vaping is the BETTER choice for Me at this point in life.
60yrs old - Health was fading FAST
steadily getting healthier and stronger every day over the last 18 months.

That's my story and I'm LIVING IT.

 

[rurwin]

jman5, just to confirm Hypatia's point.

There are three different meanings to the term "organic":

1. Belonging or derived from living matter, such as a plant extract. The alternative would be to be derived from minerals, such as petroleum.
2. Being a chemical containing carbon. This is organic chemistry. Most plastics are organic by this definition, although they are derived from minerals.
3. Produced according to agricultural standards regulating the use of artificial pesticides and fertilizers. This is what we mean by Organic food and Organic eliquid.

Diacectyl is an organic chemical by the second definition -- it contains carbon. It may or may not be organic by the first definition -- it may be derived from a plant or it may be synthesised in a laboratory.

It's status under the third definition is meaningless, because it won't be there. As a food additive, having organically produced diacectyl would make sense, but it would be just as much a bad idea as any other production method when it came to using it in eliquid.

An organically produced (third definition) eliquid contains only components that are produced without pesticides and fertilizers. It won't contain diacectyl, and if you are worried that it might, then ask the suppliers. If they cannot put your mind at rest, find another supplier who can. It won't be a hidden component, whether or not it is described as organic.

 

[Katya]

i ideally want off .

i love the experience of vaping and seeing as it is very much healthier
i think its an incredible step in the right direction - and will save a lot of people.

but i don't know if i can do it with peace of mind; but then i can't go on smoking cigarettes either..

Jman, use common sense. If you're worried about additives to your eliquids, vape unflavored (PG/VG and nicotine)--it's not that bad. Or buy eliquids with simple additives that are known to be safe, like menthol.

Join CASAA, visit their website and educate yourself.

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

BTW, the term "organic" is meaningless when it comes to vaping. Many essential oils are organic but they are a big no-no in vaping (flavoring). You don't want to inhale oils.

Please read this post (# 42) by Kurt, our resident chemist:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/439996-no-one-talks-organic-3.html#post10059329

And this (post 26):

Actually, read the whole thread--very interesting.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ew-vapeteam-show-wednesday-2.html#post6508680

Good luck!

 

[Uma]

Very interesting Uma. Censorship that will limit access to studies on vaping?

Censorship, wherever the powers that be, feel that censorship is needed. Once one door opens, the flood gates begin. There's no stopping it.
Google UN internet censorship, and you'll find fights about it ongoing for years.
Google ICAAN internet censorship and ... well, it's sad. Here's an interesting read about it, complete with links to further research and a video of the excited ICAAN president talking about it. » Obama Administration Turns the Internet Over to the Globalists Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The more we uncover about the vaping wars, the more we learn the truths about the smoke wars. It isn't pretty. It's as corrupt as a baby's bottom is soft. Will there be censoring of studies on smokes and on vapes? Quite possibly. I would pretty much count on it. Thankfully, those with printers have made hardcopies, but not everyone has a hard copy, like they have the internet....

 

[Uma]

Well said Katya!
More studies can be found at:
OVALOK OvalOK.org – Resources and Downloads. Sources and downloads
On vaping has a collection at The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping
Plus, Dr. Farsalinos is constantly updating his research blog, be sure to join his newsletter. Home

P.s. Jman5, it might be prudent to also switch your smokes for the organic, no additives, styles out there while you are smoking. This will help to cut back on pesticides and ingredients. They come in every price, grade, and quality. They're not safe, no, but they're a step towards fewer ingredients to inhale.
That reminds me! While researching those, I ran across this pamphlet that even mentions electronic cigarettes! How cool is that. http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/ent...skydancer-cigarettes,500045257af68a84dc06d77d

 

[1/2 fast]

Safe or Healthier?

Safe is never being Born - after that it is all down hill.

There ARE recent studies and using an argument like NO Long term to argue a relative new interest/item/discovery is a total joke.
How long term was the study of the Earth being Flat before some adventurous fool sailed off......errr....around the world?

My personal belief, not swayed by any entity, is Vaping is the BETTER choice for Me at this point in life.
60yrs old - Health was fading FAST
steadily getting healthier and stronger every day over the last 18 months.

That's my story and I'm LIVING IT.

^^This^^^
I'm 62 and only three or so months in but I couldn't agree more......I know what was killing me at a faster and faster pace the last few years. I'll take my chances with vaping...I had no chance at all with continuing to smoke.

 

[Phlotsum]

I couldn't make myself read the whole thread, but you all appear to be easily trolled. Just saying.

 

[Hypatia]

I couldn't make myself read the whole thread, but you all appear to be easily trolled. Just saying.

Why, did people start yelling at each other and getting mad, disrupting the whole flow of the forum? I didn't see that at all , and I've read most of the postings here. There is a difference between trolling and a question/observation based in misinformation that needs addressing.

I see, for the most part, a great discussion, with valuable information shared. Sure, some statements here were patently false, either by ignorance, or perhaps by design. However, we here are wise, and take the opportunity to educate where knowledge is lacking.

 

[FourWinds]

I couldn't make myself read the whole thread, but you all appear to be easily trolled. Just saying.

I think the suspicion was that it was a little more than trolling, but rather an attempt to sow fear and uncertainty, and therefore stop people from reaping the huge personal health benefits of vaping when compared to smoking.

Some 'scientists' are researching the most effective ways of provoking this uncertainty: An astonishing statement made by public health scientists: young adults (smokers) should be deterred from trying e-cigarettes (and therefore maintain their smoking habit?

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Safe or Healthier?

Safe is never being Born - after that it is all down hill.

There ARE recent studies and using an argument like NO Long term to argue a relative new interest/item/discovery is a total joke.
How long term was the study of the Earth being Flat before some adventurous fool sailed off......errr....around the world?

My personal belief, not swayed by any entity, is Vaping is the BETTER choice for Me at this point in life.
60yrs old - Health was fading FAST
steadily getting healthier and stronger every day over the last 18 months.

That's my story and I'm LIVING IT.

This brought to mind a lyric from one of my favorite songs:

"...He not busy being born is busy dying" -Bob Dylan from 'It's Alright, Ma'

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Bob+Dylan+Bringing+It+All+Back+Home+10+It+s+Alright+Ma+I+m+Only+Bleeding+mp3/boQF8?src=5

 

[rurwin]

I couldn't make myself read the whole thread, but you all appear to be easily trolled. Just saying.

In most forums, posts like the OP are called "concern trolls" and they will be quietly deleted and the poster banned. However all popular forums also spawn a host of people who consider themselves unfairly censored and bang on about it in their own little blogs that nobody reads. Sometimes they gang together in groups. Very occasionally legal action has to be taken, but in the main it never amounts to much.

But we have ANTZ looking over our shoulders. The last thing we want is for someone to be able to say that ECF censors all anti-vaping research. We have to be seen to be open. If occasionally that means that we have to fill 33 (or more) pages with polite and comprehensive rebuttal then so be it.

 

[molimelight]

I couldn't make myself read the whole thread, but you all appear to be easily trolled. Just saying.

Sez the troll...

flot·sam (flŏt′səm)
n.
1.
a. Wreckage or cargo that remains afloat after a ship has sunk.
b. Floating refuse or debris.
2. Discarded odds and ends.
3. Vagrant, usually destitute people.

Hey I have an idea. Why don't you use an over used, tired phrase, like, "Just saying."

 

[Joshkotke]

3 chemicals in eliquid compared to 7000 in cigs and carcinogens . Not a perfectly safe alternative but damnit it's close enough

 

[rolygate]

Aaaaaand there we go. The thread is complete, and it only remains for people to start shooting at each other.

Goodnight

 

[Caridwen]

Off topic, but rolygate, you mentioned you had a sig that shows how to contact you? Well, i don't know whats going on, if it's my settings or what not, but I see no sig in any of your posts. I tried a PM but you are not accepting any. So, just wondering why your sig is not showing up when I view your posts.
Thank you

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