Are Zens worth all that money...

[Equality 7-2521]

Hey everybody,

I'm not in the least trying to slam Zens....just curious....is the vape from a zen all that much different than a aga-t or a rsst. Yes they're more beautiful, and well built, and made in the U.S., but vape wise are they that much differentn in vapor production, and flavor? They are really well spoken of but I don't know if it's for the status of the logo, and how cool it looks on your device.Opinions....

 

[varivapr]

No not much different at all. There are many attys out there for approx the same $ as the ZAP,ZAU,ZAG that are better tho

 

[Aubie80]

I like the draw better than an aga-t or rsst. The flavor and vapor is better but not like fill a room wow. If I had the money I would buy another Zen product without second thought, but if you're budget minded the aga-t or rsst are very good as well.

I have the Zen 2 Cinis which is a hybrid and I turned one of my kts storms and original aga-t into a chibrid. The Zen is still the better vape but the chibrid is close.

If you have the money buy a Zen and see what you think, If funds are short stick with the cheaper stuff they work quite well, I own 5 aga-t and 1 rsst, and use those daily as well.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

really, which attys do you think are better.

No not much different at all. There are many attys out there for approx the same $ as the ZAP,ZAU,ZAG that are better tho

 

[Pazazu]

No genesis atomizer is going to vape any better than an aga - t2, no matter how much you pay, unless it has a dual wick setup. The voltage loss bandwagon is just some people with way too much money, and nothing better to do. Oh, your $200 atty has a .1 voltage loss while my aga t2 has a .3 voltage loss? Then i'll build my coil at .7 instead of .8 :O Amazing concept really.

 

[Jeremy Evans]

No genesis atomizer is going to vape any better than an aga - t2, no matter how much you pay, unless it has a dual wick setup. The voltage loss bandwagon is just some people with way too much money, and nothing better to do. Oh, your $200 atty has a .1 voltage loss while my aga t2 has a .3 voltage loss? Then i'll build my coil at .7 instead of .8 :O Amazing concept really.

True but some are easier to setup bc of the design of them and what not, all RBAs are only as good as the wick and coil in them. A premium one with a crap wick and coil setup will suck where as a cheap one with a good wick and coil will blow it out of the water. Typically I buy RBAs and such more by the way they look bc I can make a wick and coil to make it awesome.

 

[Technonut]

No genesis atomizer is going to vape any better than an aga - t2, no matter how much you pay, unless it has a dual wick setup. The voltage loss bandwagon is just some people with way too much money, and nothing better to do. Oh, your $200 atty has a .1 voltage loss while my aga t2 has a .3 voltage loss? Then i'll build my coil at .7 instead of .8 :O Amazing concept really.

How would you know, unless you have tried others to make a knowledgeable comparision? I know for a fact the AGA-T2's wick hole placement is too far from the centerpost, and the small knurled nuts are difficult to tighten without pulling the coil too tight. How so? I own one.. I also have owned higher-end gennys, and most are better designed... I like using my AGA-T2 with XC-116 ceramic rope wick though..

 

[madicen]

Hey everybody,

I'm not in the least trying to slam Zens....just curious....is the vape from a zen all that much different than a aga-t or a rsst. Yes they're more beautiful, and well built, and made in the U.S., but vape wise are they that much differentn in vapor production, and flavor? They are really well spoken of but I don't know if it's for the status of the logo, and how cool it looks on your device.Opinions....

Simple answer, no.

I can speak from personal experience as I own a whole slew of devices, across all price ranges. The single most important factor in vapor quality is your ability to build a wick and coil, not the price you paid for the device said wick and coil are going in to

 

[Technonut]

Simple answer, no.

I can speak from personal experience as I own a whole slew of devices, across all price ranges. The single most important factor in vapor quality is your ability to build a wick and coil, not the price you paid for the device said wick and coil are going in to

Out of curiosity, which upper-end devices in your "slew" do you own?

 

[Jeremy Evans]

Regardless of which ones he has owned, his statement is 100% true. I have had a Zen and have played with a couple others, the main thing is that you have a good wick and coil setup or else no matter how much you paid for it, it's going to suck. Unless all that extra money makes it to where it automatically tweaks and fixes the crappy wick and coil you threw on it for you.

 

[Technonut]

Regardless of which ones he has owned, his statement is 100% true. I have had a Zen and have played with a couple others, the main thing is that you have a good wick and coil setup or else no matter how much you paid for it, it's going to suck. Unless all that extra money makes it to where it automatically tweaks and fixes the crappy wick and coil you threw on it for you.

So, you're telling me that the diameter / placement of the wick hole in regards to the centerpost, and other design features make no difference in performance?

 

[Pazazu]

Well we're not talking about setup. We're talking about the vape. The Aga T2 does have its setup issues, but once you set it up correctly its just the same as any of the rest. A piece of wick, going through a hole with a coil wrapped around it.

Doesn't matter if its a foggatti or an Aga T2, they're both stainless steel, some are titanium. The only difference is the Foggatti will run dual wicks, cost $200, and leak like crazy. Doesn't matter how far away the hole is from the center pin, if you don't have any hot spots your golden.

The only other difference is the airhole in the cap, and of course the outer design (for looks). Bigger airhole, more vapor, less flavor.

 

[Technonut]

Well we're not talking about setup. We're talking about the vape. The Aga T2 does have its setup issues, but once you set it up correctly its just the same as any of the rest. A piece of wick, going through a hole with a coil wrapped around it.

Doesn't matter if its a foggatti or an Aga T2, they're both stainless steel, some are titanium. The only difference is the Foggatti will run dual wicks, cost $200, and leak like crazy. Doesn't matter how far away the hole is from the center pin, if you don't have any hot spots your golden.

The only other difference is the airhole in the cap, and of course the outer design (for looks). Bigger airhole, more vapor, less flavor.

Again, unless you have actually owned and tried others, how do you know? Much more thought and craftsmanship in function and design are put into the "higher-end" gennys. Things like the size of the air chamber in the cap, materials, position of the cap air hole in relation to to exactly where it will allow air to flow over the wick, etc... Also they are designed by vapers for vapers, not just a knock-off design from a picture or vid that the Chinese brings to market to rake-in quick cash...

 

[BuzzKilla]

I can get all of these tanks to perform at the same level:
RSST
DID Clone
DID(D20)
Cobra
Cobra Clone
Z-Atty Pro
AGA-T
AGA-T 2

and a few drippers....


Proof of concept as i have built coils on all of the above.
They may be slightly different in design, but if you can ACTUALLY build a good coil, it really makes no difference what the coil is in.
So YES, the performance can be equal depending on your skill level....

Anyone that wishes to dispute this... please let me know what you have actually built yourself.
My current favourite is the RSST, but i still think better designs will come in the future, as it is far from perfect.
But for build quality, the D20 takes the prize.

*disclaimer* i cant attest to every rebuildable, but with the wide range of tanks that i have personally worked on, i feel that my statements are valid!

 

[Pazazu]

I do own and have tried others dude I'm not trying to be mean or rude either. Really though the only thing that will effect performance at all is the size of the wick hole, and the size of the air chamber (other than your coil, wicking material, and which wire you use)

As I said before, big wick hole for more vapor/less flavor, small wick hole for more flavor/less vapor. The size of the air chamber I'm really not that clear on what its supposed to do, but for me personally it adds a little warmth, and the vapor/draw size ratio seems to increase a bit with a smaller chamber. Nice thick moist vapor, mmm.

 

[Lonely Raven]

Is there a shop that I can get the AGA-T2 and XC-116? I want to save on shipping if I can.

I'm looking to upgrade to RBAs now, so I'd like to one stop shop all the parts; RBA, wick and wire.

I'm currently using Kanger Protanks on mechanical mods.

 

[BuzzKilla]

i honestly can not think of a logical way to link wick hole size to flavour...
air chamber does affect the heat... but winding the coil differently can achieve the same thing...

so to me... all rebuildables can be made to have the same hit.... Reguardless of construction.

 

[BatKing]

I own the iHybrid fecta and AGA-T2, RSST and AGI. There is no difference on performance between the AGA-T2, AGI (after fix the center post spring) and the premium fecta's atty. The RSST, due to the wick hole size, I am facing a massive heat sink effect. but still perform very good.

 

[justordinary]

Same sheet different league.

 

[mostapha]

So, what you're all saying is that apart from design flaws that would make something hard to work in, by on looks.

Got it.