Arguments in favor of e-cigs?

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Sugar_and_Spice

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No harm in your visiting them and letting them know of ecigs, by you being an example.....just a friendly visit.....
I was always in awe of my grandmother, who at the age of 80ish still worked in a nursing home....she always said..."somebody has to take care of those old folks."
she was something....
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I should have clarified. Present to the occupants who are currently smoking analogs. My first target is the Veteran's assisted living center. Almost all lonely vets smoke, unfortunately. Also I thought targeting the 55 and over retirement communities could convert many over to the e-cig. In my experience, most older folks don't even know e-cigs exist and that there is an alternative to analogs. Almost to a person, every one of them want to quit cigs. I very rarely meet anyone over 55 who still actually enjoys smoking. They just accept it as their cross to bear.

Kudos Mohawk I am glad to see that you are doing your part! I actually had to see a therapist (because of my cronic pain condition ((RSD))) and I told her about how I quit smoking and demonstrated my ego in her office. She asked me for a heap of info so I gave her my Puresmoker business card and I wrote the ECF website for her and gave her some basic info. She is going to look into it for not only her patients, but also for people in her family that want/need to quit analogs. I love spreading the word!

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My position, just to add my 2 cents, I don't provide arguements.

I wait until there is a question and answer it honestly.

Like: What are the long term health effects? = I don't know, they have not been around long enough to get that knid of study. I know I feel better. My doctor is impressed with my improving health and I'm happier. What is the long and short term effects of cigarettes?

Finish with a question. They will either keep talking and learn more, or they will go quiet and we can move on to other subjects.

I could go on, but that is what I do. Sometimes a question will open more minds than a 5 foot stack of data.
 

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My position, just to add my 2 cents, I don't provide arguements.

I wait until there is a question and answer it honestly.

Like: What are the long term health effects? = I don't know, they have not been around long enough to get that knid of study. I know I feel better. My doctor is impressed with my improving health and I'm happier. What is the long and short term effects of cigarettes?

Finish with a question. They will either keep talking and learn more, or they will go quiet and we can move on to other subjects.

I could go on, but that is what I do. Sometimes a question will open more minds than a 5 foot stack of data.

A very good point Hoosier! Some people can be presented with miles of data and still not "get it" (if you have ever been in the OUTSIDE you'll know what I mean lol )
I just try to explain all that I DO know and how I feel better etc. There is no long term data, but all the stories on ECF show that it is at least BETTER than smoking analogs. I am glad that this site exists so that we can share and compare stories and further our overall ecig knowledge.

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You can almost instantly go from 2 packs a day to one here and there using an Ecig. If you are serious about quitting, you can quit with little or no withdrawal symptoms. Ecigs satisfy the hand to mouth habit and allow you to enjoy the act of smoking without the carcinogenic dangers of tobacco. Find the right juice and hardware combination, get serious about quitting, and you will succeed.

Tobacco cigarettes are reported to contain over 4000 chemicals that you inhale into your lungs. Ecigs contain substances that are use in foods and medicines. PG is used to carry medicines in injectable form and in inhalable fogs. PG is also used in hospital HVAC systems to introduce a fine mist into the air that combines with airborne germs from sneezes and carries them to the floor where they can be mopped up and removed. This method removes airborne particles that even HEPA filters miss.

Burning does not occur in Ecigs. The juice is heated to the boiling point and a fog results. You inhale a watery mist containing PG and flavorings. The PG molecule is to large to enter the alveoli and is exhaled. Most nicotine is absorbed through the mouth and the mucosa in the nasal cavities. vaping does not kill your sense of smell. Most vapers who completely quit tobacco speak of smells that they haven't experienced in years since they started vaping. The morning cough slowly goes away.

Tobacco burns and the tiny products of combustion carry nicotine and tars into your lungs that are trapped in the alveoli where the nicotine is absorbed. Carcinogenic tars are accumulated that remain in your lungs for long periods. Once you quit, the tars eventually begin to clear and the cilia in the bronchial tube begin to recover, as well as the sense of smell.

Ecigs may not be totally safe. We don't have complete clearance from the FDA, but they are obviously several orders of magnitude safer than continuing to smoke cigarettes.
 
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You can almost instantly go from 2 packs a day to one here and there using an Ecig. If you are serious about quitting, you can quit with little or no withdrawal symptoms. Ecigs satisfy the hand to mouth habit and allow you to enjoy the act of smoking without the carcinogenic dangers of tobacco. Find the right juice and hardware combination, get serious about quitting, and you will succeed.

Tobacco cigarettes are reported to contain over 4000 chemicals that you inhale into your lungs. Ecigs contain substances that are use in foods and medicines. PG is used to carry medicines in injectable form and in inhalable fogs. PG is also used in hospital HVAC systems to introduce a fine mist into the air that combines with airborne germs from sneezes and carries them to the floor where they can be mopped up and removed. This method removes airborne particles that even HEPA filters miss.

Burning does not occur in Ecigs. The juice is heated to the boiling point and a fog results. You inhale a watery mist containing PG and flavorings. The PG molecule is to large to enter the alveoli and is exhaled. Most nicotine is absorbed through the mouth and the mucosa in the nasal cavities. Vaping does not kill your sense of smell. Most vapers who completely quit tobacco speak of smells that they haven't experienced in years since they started vaping. The morning cough slowly goes away.

Tobacco burns and the tiny products of combustion carry nicotine and tars into your lungs that are trapped in the alveoli where the nicotine is absorbed. Carcinogenic tars are accumulated that remain in your lungs for long periods. Once you quit, the tars eventually begin to clear and the cilia in the bronchial tube begin to recover, as well as the sense of smell.

Ecigs may not be totally safe. We don't have complete clearance from the FDA, but they are obviously several orders of magnitude safer than continuing to smoke cigarettes.

Very well said. I had asthma and even wheezing all the time was not enough to get me to quit, but my eGo sure did.
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Kudos Mohawk I am glad to see that you are doing your part! I actually had to see a therapist (because of my cronic pain condition ((RSD))) and I told her about how I quit smoking and demonstrated my ego in her office. She asked me for a heap of info so I gave her my Puresmoker business card and I wrote the ECF website for her and gave her some basic info. She is going to look into it for not only her patients, but also for people in her family that want/need to quit analogs. I love spreading the word!



~Kitty
I love to see the looks on peoples faces when they try an ecig for the first time.....that' omg this can reallly WORK' kind of look and then they want to know everything....that's where the ecf business cards come in real handy...
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I love to see the looks on peoples faces when they try an ecig for the first time.....that' omg this can reallly WORK' kind of look and then they want to know everything....that's where the ecf business cards come in real handy...
:)

I don't have any ECF business cards, but I do have a heap of Puresmoker cards, and I hand write the ECF address on all of them before I hand them out. I get all my hardware from Steve and his crew and pretty much all my juices too. I have tried juice from other suppliers, but my all day vape is TONIC Mellonica (watermelon, more like the actual fruit than a candy)
~Kitty
 

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It's cool and you don't smell like an ashtray? I'm sure there are some even better totally non-cosmetic reasons for switching, eh? ;)

Yes lol there are. Like less killing more satisfying and the health benefits of nic and the germicidal properties of PG etc etc

Switching was the best thing I ever did for myself

~Kitty
 

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Wow! I just came back to this thread and already so many responses!

In short, yes, e-cigs are a no-brainer, once you understand them. There are still many people out there that are too scared to let go of their analogs, or are afraid of e-cigs. Sadly, the better e-cig options out there do have a bit of a learning curve to them, and I think that scares a lot of people off.

I personally am a HUGE fan of the Ego XL batteries with Boge 510 LR attys, although I think I am going to step up to SR since my friend has the same battery and has already cooked a few of his attys. I personally have yet to have a single one die on me, but then again I frequently power flush them with 91% alcohol, never flood them, never let them run dry, and never mix flavors.

But aside of cleaning them religiously like I do (of course I am more of a "power user") I find this to be the best way to get people to convert. It IS a bigger battery, but the Ego XL batteries perform extremely well, and last all day. If you work at a computer all day like me, you can get an Ego passthrough and never run out of power. I personally own both an XL and a passthrough, and then have a second passthrough without a battery as a backup. I also for emergency sake have my old Blu kit laying around.

I am NOT subtle with my vaping in public. I use a higher VG blend to make sure there is TONS of vapor. I want people to ask me what it is. I have a stack of Pure Smoker cards in my wallet.

I've converted my future brother in law, my 2 best friends, several other friends I don't even see any more, and even the tellers working at my bank that were amazed when I was "smoking cinnamon" while they made my deposits.

The only time I try to be careful are situations like movie theaters, where I can't exactly stop the movie to explain to everyone there what it is and that I am NOT smoking. In these situations, I just stealth vape.

I really want to do my part to convert more people, because e-cigs are a GODSEND to those of us who just couldn't quit any other way. I smoked for 16 years, a pack or 2 a day, and quit cold turkey with my Ego and some 32mg liquid. In 15 minutes. Threw all my other nicotine stuff away, haven't looked back since.

By converting people we do our part to save lives, and the environment (cigarettes ARE harmful to the environment), while at the same time supporting the companies that produce the products we love, and ultimately driving price down for e-liquid and hardware because it is in such high demand. Additionally, higher demand and more conversions means more people on our side when some greedy government a**holes decide they want to try to ban them. Be real, they only want to ban them because they take money away from big tobacco, and as such, hurt the gov't budget. Also, less people dying hurts the income of hospitals.

But there is a much bigger picture to take into consideration.

Imagine if everyone stopped smoking. Period. Everyone who smokes converts to e-cigs. What would happen?

Tobacco companies would obviously try to sue but would ultimately go out of business. This would cause the government to lose a large portion of income, but it's worth it in the long run, because:

Health insurance costs would drop substantially. Less people dying of lung cancer means less payout from insurance companies. This could make privatized health care affordable to everyone.

No more would you have to go online to get supplies, pay shipping, and wait. You would be able to walk into any convenience store or wal-mart in America and just buy what you need. No shipping cost. More supply at less cost, and still more profit for the companies dealing in higher volume. Imagine it, walking up to a clerk in 7-11 and asking for some Pure Smoker Firecracker, getting it, and paying $10 for 30ml. Ok, $15 at 7-11, but still...

Higher supply and demand would also make for more varieties of higher quality e-liquids, and a little bit of FDA regulation could be a good thing for this, perhaps even a quality grading system. No more worrying about some chinese e-liquid containing something harmful.

I could go on and on for days... but I'll end here. Let's all do our part to make this happen!

Just remember you can't force people into it, they have to want to. I keep various flavor samples around for just the purpose of making people go "WOW! You can get THAT flavor too?!?". There really is something for everyone out there, and anyone who says they tried it and didn't like it, just tried the wrong thing for them.
 

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DJApoc,
It is nice to see such enthusiasm,,,,I image most members feel like you do.....it is so easy to see a much brighter future with ecigs......I converted several people from my job and some of my friends at home....and they in turn, have done the same......but everything takes time so don't get frustrated with all of the hurtles that may be thrown at our society of ecig smokers,,,,,,,we will get there.
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I don't have any ECF business cards, but I do have a heap of Puresmoker cards, and I hand write the ECF address on all of them before I hand them out. I get all my hardware from Steve and his crew and pretty much all my juices too. I have tried juice from other suppliers, but my all day vape is TONIC Mellonica (watermelon, more like the actual fruit than a candy)
~Kitty
Kitty,
the ecf cards are free....you only pay to ship them to you.......I find it easier for them to look at this site first, and let them ask for vendor recommendations, that way they don't think you are trying to sell them a product.......or your favorite vendor, which may not turn out to be their favorite.....
just saying what I've found to be true for me....ymmv lol
 

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Kitty,
the ecf cards are free....you only pay to ship them to you.......I find it easier for them to look at this site first, and let them ask for vendor recommendations, that way they don't think you are trying to sell them a product.......or your favorite vendor, which may not turn out to be their favorite.....
just saying what I've found to be true for me....ymmv lol

If the ECF cards were just free, period, I'd carry a lot of them with me and hand them out.
 

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They are free.....just pay to ship them.....They really do help the board out greatly.....The ecf admin already went thru the expense of not only hosting this great place but to produce the business cards also....shipping is not unreasonable....imo

and you can become a supporting member at only $24.00 a year...that is NOT unreasonable either in my book..........
 

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Be real, they only want to ban them because they take money away from big tobacco, and as such, hurt the gov't budget. Also, less people dying hurts the income of hospitals.
Actually, the driving force behind all of the bans is the pharmaceutical companies.
Electronic cigarettes are a direct threat to their smoking cessation products.

Cigarette smokers are like a gravy train that keeps on giving...
1) Become addicted to cigarettes
2) Use an expensive smoking cessation product
3) Go back to smoking
4) Use an expensive smoking cessation product
5) Go back to smoking
6) Rinse and repeat, again and again

The pharmaceutical companies give huge amounts of money to the alphabet soup of "trusted" health advocate agencies...
--American Lung Association (ALA)
--American Heart Association (AHA)
--American Cancer Society (ACS)
--Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids (CTFK)
--American Legacy Foundation (ALF)
--Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
--Etcetera, etcetera

Their job is to do the bidding of Big Pharma, not to mention the fact that many of them would cease to exist without smokers.
They have a text book on how to play the game, and a common game plan that they all follow.

I can find a link to the gameplan document if you are interested, and it is a very disturbing read.

They are the ones that urged the FDA to step in and ban electronic cigarettes.
And they are the ones attempting to pass the various electronic cigarettes bans around the country.

And then there is the relationship between the FDA and Big Pharma...
--Many FDA officials take cushy positions working for Big Pharma after they leave office
--Many Big Pharma people sit on boards and policy advisory committees for the FDA

These folks are so deep into each other's pockets it has become difficult to know where one ends and the other begins.


All of this is very well researched and documented, and most of the information can be found in the following subforums...
Legislation News
Campaigning
 
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