I hate to see big tobacco getting into our thing so deep. They will ruin it I fear http://www.journalnow.com/business/...cle_1dc31e4c-77ae-11e2-915f-001a4bcf6878.html
Article in Winston-Salem paper ( Home of RJR)
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sooo pathetic!!! I started to get angry as I read the end.
somebody said something like, "well we don't even really know whats in those products, and they could be really dangerous".... CIGARETTES KILL YOU, vaping DOESNT!!!!!!!!!!!! the end.
somebody said something like, "well we don't even really know whats in those products, and they could be really dangerous".... CIGARETTES KILL YOU, vaping DOESNT!!!!!!!!!!!! the end.
Ugh. Listen to this tool.
Okay, the last part he said is partially true. We don't know what impact they have on health. We do know what is in them. Manufacturers cannot claim they are proven safer, the FDA has sued several to assert that limitation. Liar liar pants on fire for everything but "we don't know the impact on heath".
As to RJR, come on in, the water is warm. They have been involved for a while now. Altria (Phillip Morris) is also getting in to, just more quietly. They will be good for the industry, in my opinion. More money, oodles of flavor research, and they could help with study financing. We need to keep an eye on them, but my initial reaction is positive.
Okay, the last part he said is partially true. We don't know what impact they have on health. We do know what is in them. Manufacturers cannot claim they are proven safer, the FDA has sued several to assert that limitation. Liar liar pants on fire for everything but "we don't know the impact on heath".
As to RJR, come on in, the water is warm. They have been involved for a while now. Altria (Phillip Morris) is also getting in to, just more quietly. They will be good for the industry, in my opinion. More money, oodles of flavor research, and they could help with study financing. We need to keep an eye on them, but my initial reaction is positive.
Mixed reactions here. I like all the money they can put into development and research of the products, but hate the idea of them adding 5 billion chemicals to our e-liquids like they did with tobacco.
And Blu sold out for $135 million? They should've held out. Would've been worth WAY more a bit further down the road.
And Blu sold out for $135 million? They should've held out. Would've been worth WAY more a bit further down the road.
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A friend of mine is in medical school in Winston Salem and told me how happy he was I am using an ecig and quit smoking. He said patients use them at the hospital am doctors say there is very little if any harm.
While at first I was unsure of BT getting involved in ecigs I think with all the things going on with the FDA we need that money funnel.
I agree completely. If BT gets their hands in the pot, the FDA will back down. We don't have to buy their products because new vapers will, and with any hope they will end up here with an APV and a cleaner set of lungs and better smelling clothing
I'm all for big business getting involved as long as they don't lobby to shut down the little guys. It's always nice having lots if cash and a billion lawyers working for you.
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"Bonnie Herzog, a Wells Fargo Securities analyst, thinks the e-cig craze has shifted from fad to here to stay, in part because Lorillard and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. are generating more consumer confidence in the products than most of the little-known marketers have to date."
Seems Most people in the Real world are not averse or fearful of BT involvement. How refreshing.
Seems Most people in the Real world are not averse or fearful of BT involvement. How refreshing.
I was just thinking that today, as I read an article about NJoy...
http://gothamist.com/2013/01/22/e-cigs_e-cigarettes_njoy_vaping_vap.php
Sort of sounds positive..... Once BT have invested money then you can guarantee that 'e-cigs' are here to stay. But... there is no way anyone who recieves cash from BT is going to allow that cash to disappear.
'Health' tax on e-liquid is coming.
'Health' tax on e-liquid is coming.
They may have captured 30 percent of the sales for the year.......recurring sales however are another story.
The article mentions RJ Reynolds test marketing their own e-cig called the Vuse. I think it is also called the Vuse Solo. Has anybody seen or tried the Vuse? From what I have read they are only testing them in a very limited way at a handful of Virginia stores. I am curious, with all their money, if they have actually developed something different, or are just adding branding to an already existing product.
Interesting article. The title was deceptive. I thought it was reasonably balanced in its representation of the industry.
Thanks for that article DC2.
Sadly one couldn't accuse the photographer of trying to glamorize the industry.lol
What caught my eye was the decision of the SOTTERA, INC.(NJOY) v. FOOD & DRUG ADMIN case.
Interesting reading, explains the necessity of E-Cig Mrfs/ Distributors/ Vendors avoiding the promotion of devices as therapeutic. Based on this decision, I also think the FDA will struggle to implement heavy handed regulations on the industry.
I disagree, look at Blu, Njoy, and probably Vuse. They all sell prefilled carto's. That's it. It's the same old marketing strategy for BT, get 'em addicted and then force them to buy overpriced refills from you. the Tobacco industry is betting the FDA will basically outlaw ejuice, and then get ecigarettes covered under the PACT act which will mean no more USPS delivery and so many regulatory requirements that the internet sales will vanish. That's one reason Blu is making such a big push to get into retail stores.
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At least they talked to Bill Godshall, and had a relatively balanced article. Not long ago we couldn't even get these.
I agree with nosaint. That is what I was thinking when I said I fear they are going to ruin things. That along with the money they infuse will make it a bigger target which will bring the government at a greater pace with their ever growing taxation. The old sin tax routine.
They will try to fuse the public perception towards vapers so closely with analog smokers that to the uniformed, we will be one in the same.
I agree that the small e-liquid providers will be the targets because BT will see the real money for them will be in the pre-filled cartridge market. They have the money and influence to make the production of e-liquid so difficult and expensive that many will be driven out. They can afford a laundry list of regulations, fees and licences. The small guy or girl cannot.
We are in the golden age of vaping. I am afraid it is about to become very different in the next few years.
I'm really trying not to be paranoid but what has the government not screwed up lately?
I honestly hope I'm wrong but whenever something gets big, the small usually are the ones who pay the most.
May the golden age continue!
Like most things in life, Big Tobacco entering the e-cigarette market a mixed bag representing a series of trade-offs.
On the one hand, Big Tobacco will bring credibility, marketing savvy, and probably substantial innovation to e-cigarettes by investing large amounts of cash into the creation, branding, and messaging of e-cigarettes. They'll also have the resources to prevent an all-out ban by the FDA.
On the other hand, they'll almost certainly be pushing for tighter FDA regulation of e-cigarettes. They will make a substantial investment in e-cigarettes, and FDA regulation will enable them to protect that investment. (Government regulation invariably acts to increase barriers to market entry in ways that favor large companies, because large companies can always afford to jump through regulatory hoops that tend to be cost-prohibative to smaller companies.)
Will it ruin e-cigarettes? Or is it merely part of the natural, profit-driven process of market penetration and maturation? It depends on the way you frame the question. I tend to believe it's just a market penetration and maturation process.
In 1984, even many of the most conservative voices predicted disaster when the feds broke up AT&T's telephone monopoly. There was, admittedly, some charm in the one-phone-line-per-household telephone model, with the Andy Griffith ads and whatnot, but the telecom market has moved on. That's life. Over time, the pain of losing the familiar decreases as people adapt and move on to new things.
On the one hand, Big Tobacco will bring credibility, marketing savvy, and probably substantial innovation to e-cigarettes by investing large amounts of cash into the creation, branding, and messaging of e-cigarettes. They'll also have the resources to prevent an all-out ban by the FDA.
On the other hand, they'll almost certainly be pushing for tighter FDA regulation of e-cigarettes. They will make a substantial investment in e-cigarettes, and FDA regulation will enable them to protect that investment. (Government regulation invariably acts to increase barriers to market entry in ways that favor large companies, because large companies can always afford to jump through regulatory hoops that tend to be cost-prohibative to smaller companies.)
Will it ruin e-cigarettes? Or is it merely part of the natural, profit-driven process of market penetration and maturation? It depends on the way you frame the question. I tend to believe it's just a market penetration and maturation process.
In 1984, even many of the most conservative voices predicted disaster when the feds broke up AT&T's telephone monopoly. There was, admittedly, some charm in the one-phone-line-per-household telephone model, with the Andy Griffith ads and whatnot, but the telecom market has moved on. That's life. Over time, the pain of losing the familiar decreases as people adapt and move on to new things.
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