As Promised to Thulium,Contact Glenn Beck thread

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ritalin

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As promised to Thulium in the following thread I have started a Glenn Beck thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning-discussions/42053-what-about-michael-moore-5.html

Now before this thread starts getting flamed, let me state the following:
I LOATH GLENN BECK
However as I stated in the other thread, I feel if we are to make any headway on this issue at all we will ALL need to set aside personal politics and lend our help in petitioning ANY news outlet or figure that holds the limelight to discuss our cause.

You can find his contact information here
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/contact/

As stated Im not a fan of this man, but here is my letter anyway.

Hello Mr Beck,

I would like to bring your attention to an issue that is currently being fought.

E-cigarettes, a smokeless tobacco alternative originally created in China three years ago has been a blessing to hundreds of thousands of cigarette smokers in the US. The e-cigarette is, basically, a personal vaporizer that uses nicotine diluted in either propylene glycol or glycerin, both common food additives.When a user inhales through the device, air flow is detected by a sensor, which activates a heating element that vaporizes a nicotine solution stored in the mouthpiece. This not only delivers the nicotine that smokers are now addicted to but also mimics the ACT of smoking as vaporized propylene glycol turns to a visible vapor that looks much like smoke. If you would like to find more information about the e-cigarette please have a see the following page where some of the information above was provided from. Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enter the FDA. I , like many users of this product are now fearful that we will not be able to continue this fight as the FDA tightens the noose around the collective neck of the fledgling e-cigarette business in the US. We are now awaiting a verdict in the case of Smoke Everywhere vs FDA. From what I know of the case, the FDA began holding up shipments of their products at customs. Smoke Everywhere, in turn, sued the FDA stating that they do not have jurisdiction over the product. The FDA's claim is that the product is an untested drug, a farce in the mind of most of my fellow e-cigarette users, when you find that ALL of the components in the liquid used to create the vapor are ALREADY FDA approved for human consumption, not to mention we are all well aware of how readily available the most common form of delivery for this "drug" is. So now we wait to see if the product will be deemed a "new drug" or a "tobacco product" .

In this year alone, we have seen several politicians attempt to ban e-cigarettes on the grounds of "Saving the Children". Yep, that old gag. They are stating that the flavors being added to e-cigarette liquids in the form of chocolate, strawberry, cherry and even coffee are all meant to directly influence children. Once they are hooked on these delicious flavored tobacco alternatives, the logical next move is for them to become full fledged traditional cigarette smokers. I wonder what these same politicians thoughts are on rum cake?

In May, 2009, the US FDA's Division of Pharmaceutical Analysis tested the contents of cartridges by two vendors. These are the same two vendors that are currently suing the FDA, Smoke Everywhere and Njoy. Trace amounts (detectable, but not measurable) of diethylene glycol was found in one of the seventeen cartridges. In addition, tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) were detected in some of the cartridges tested which used tobacco flavoring. Further, concerns were raised over inconsistent amounts of nicotine delivered when drawing on the device. In July, 2009, the FDA issued a press release discouraging the use of electronic cigarettes.

You may remember this press release. This is when the FDA stated that the same chemicals used in anti-freeze are used in e-cigarette liquid. What they failed to mention is that diethylene glycol, which again was found only in trace amounts in one of the 17 cartridges tested, can also be found in traditional tobacco cigarettes as it is commonly used as a humectant for tobacco. The fact that nicotine in liquid form is derived from tobacco also explains the presence of tobacco-specific nitrosamines. Nitrosamines can also be found in FDA approved cessation tools, such as the NicoDerm CQ and Nicorette. These facts were curiously absent in the press release.

There are many theories as to the motivation of the FDA in this matter. Some state that Big Tobacco feels threatened. Some state that Big Pharma is feeling the pressure of a product that many claim far exceeds the 6% quit rate of their sanctioned cessation tools. The one I would throw my dollar behind, however, is that at present they are not considered a tobacco product and thus, are not able to be taxed. After all, death and taxes is the only real truth we know, so if it can not be taxed then it better be dead.

I am an e-cigarette user and former smoker. As of one month ago I kicked a 1-pack a day, 16-year habit. I have tried all manner of quit-smoking tools and have never found it as easy to walk away from cigarettes as I have with this product. In 3 days of use, I had my last tobacco cigarette and have not looked back. Currently, I am weening myself off of nicotine with lower strength cartridges. In the months time that I have used an e-cigarette in replacement of traditional cigarettes I can now breath better, I no longer have any congestion in my chest, I have more energy and my sense of smell and taste is returning.

I am not alone in this fight. Many e-cigarette users are currently petitioning their local and state representatives in an effort to demand more research be done on the product before it is banned. There are also many doctors that stand behind this product. Below is a link to a letter by Dr. Joel Nitzkin, Chair, AAPHP Tobacco Control Task Force and Dr. Kevin Sherin, MD, MPH, FACPM, FAAFP, President, American Association of Public Health Physicians, who are also urging the FDA to reconsider is stance towards e-cigarettes.
http://www.ecassoc.org/downloads/AAPHP.pdf

I , along with other current e-cigarette smokers, are soliciting your help in quashing the false information, and in some cases, flat out lies regarding this product. Please help us live a longer life.

Thank you for your time,
 
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ritalin

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Great read I hope it helps although "I , along with other current e-cigarette smokers" I do not call myself "Smoking" It is vapor. I feel after almost 8 months without a cig I am a Xsmoker and I now vape 0 to very low nicotine. Thank you for sharing :)

Thank you for your input I will revise the letter for further use.
 
Considering the title of this thread, I suspect that you missed the part where I said I don't hate Michael Moore. He does a good job at making humorous documentaries, but considering the grave nature of his subjects, he doesn't make very convincing arguments, IMO. My problem with trying to convince Michael Moore to make an e-cig documentary is that even if he made one, I'm not convinced it would help our cause more than it could hurt it.

This letter to Glenn Beck is quite good, but I'm afraid he'll skim over it and think we're just fanatics who won't even listen to the FDA tell us that e-cigs have "antifreeze and stuff" in them.

Don't get me wrong: I completely support sending educational letters like this to anyone and everyone who'll listen. However, if we want the help of filmmakers, we should be sending out full screenplays or sending letters like this to screenwriters like Kevin Smith who are known smokers or ex-smokers and likely to be supportive of our cause.
 

Crooooooow!

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What about getting a master list of doctors who are "pro-e cigs", to sign a petition of sorts, and send it to....governors? Our local doctor in our town was impressed with the e cigarette. He even asked my girlfriend vape in his office to give him a quick demonstration. I am now aloud to vape in his waiting room! I am very sure there are many other doctors (who arent getting kick backs from pfizer and other pharm companies) who can see that electronic cigarettes are a much, much safer alternative to chemical laden tobacco products.
 

G_Jones

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I think anyone that can get the word out about e-cigs is a good person to contact, regardless of their target audience. How about Howard Stern? How about anyone that is going to be on a reality show (get them a kit!). We need celebrity vapers! Articles in Wired magazine, Playboy, Rolling Stone, etc. The media is staffed with smokers, they just need e-cig starter kits.

I see various opinions being tossed around about the Michael Moores and Glen Becks, but the e-cig issue should not be about any political ideology beyond the basic freedom of adults to entertain themselves with reasonably harmless activities. I bet both those two guys would enjoy a nice vape when the cameras aren't pointed at them. Anyone who has to generate hours of content every day could probably find the time to cover this issue.
 

dubnluvn

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I caught the beginning of this guy's show the other day. I knew he was a crackpot but dammit when he said 'I'm going to show you this video, but let me tell you a story first' wouldn't you know i sat there and listened to his nonsensical rant and ultra-obvious fake emotional expressions just so I could see this ridiculous video, that I knew would be ridiculous.

Despite the high probability that this guy is a cracker jack, he's is able to captivate audiences like an televangelist. Get his attention...his viewers will believe.
 

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As promised to Thulium in the following thread I have started a Glenn Beck thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning-discussions/42053-what-about-michael-moore-5.html

Now before this thread starts getting flamed, let me state the following:
I LOATH GLENN BECK
However as I stated in the other thread, I feel if we are to make any headway on this issue at all we will ALL need to set aside personal politics and lend our help in petitioning ANY news outlet or figure that holds the limelight to discuss our cause.

You can find his contact information here
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/contact/

As stated Im not a fan of this man, but here is my letter anyway.
Beck is an eternal nut that I can't stand, however if he will do anything, it is great for us. He really hates ACORN. If we had someone at Acorn that "hates" e-cigs, Beck would spin that in our favor. I know it sounds rediculous but that is how he rolls!!
 

esdel

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Reaching low. When you lie down with pigs ....

Actually, when you lie down with liberals, you get more government control over people's lives. A lot of people here who see themselves as liberals are in fact taking a conservative/libertarian view when it comes to the e-cig issue, whether they realize it or not. It's true that many also take the more leftist view that there's collusion between the FDA, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma; however, like so many other liberal conspiracy theories, this has not been proven. Even if it turned out to be true, it would still mean that the government (FDA) was overstepping its bounds. This is what happens when government gets too big, too powerful, and too arrogant. I'm with Glenn Beck all the way on that. His personality is completely irrelevant.
 

jxmiller

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I briefly read through the Michael Moore and then this Glen Beck thread.

I am confused a bit by the decisions on either person of choice here.

My logic is as follows.

Who is trying to make health care affordable?

Who is trying to save Medicare/Medicaid?

Who has a lot of clout to loose if they fail?

Who used to smoke and quit recently and had troubles doing so? (probably still sneaks a cigarette here and there)

Answer: Barack Obama.

No matter what camp you are in (so long as you are in the camp that wants E-Cigs to stay around) this is the guy to petition to. Not 2 people that are despised by half of the country ... or more.

Saving E-Cigs saves how much money in the long run for health care? I guess that is what needs to be brought to the attention of the powers that be. Want to lower health care costs with preventative care? Ok, save the Electronic Cigarette. This is probably the single most mighty blow you could throw at that challenge and it is also EXTREMELY EASY.

Step 1: Allow E-Cigs (so forth so on).

Step 2:???

Step 3:profit.

I feel like when a non smoker or hard core health advocate sees and understands what an electronic cigarette is they have this mental break down where there ego becomes that of a 7 year old briefly and tells them "you can't do that" and that you are "cheating" and that they are going to go tell on you.

If you know any of these types please give them the middle finger, for me.

Thanks.

When I think about e-cigs I think how insane it all is. In this day and age we have how many people dying of tobacco related deaths? We have insane technology, going to the moon, sending probes to far off places .... quantum mechanics... list goes on... but it was only 3 years ago someone discovered <insert lengthy e-cig description here>?????? WOW

And now after all of this common sense is telling people that the device should be banned? Help me understand this please.

Are people going to continue smoking? Yes.
WTF!!?

You mean to tell me common sense is telling people to ban a healthier alternative but not the Flipping nasty original version!! I laugh in disgust at ignorance.

Ok so I went on a rant there for a bit sorry about that.
 
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