Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material

[aikanae1]

Have patience with me, but were does it refer to what ceramic or fiberglass type?

 

[drunkenbatman]

I'm certainly not going to pick a fight with Batman, but drawing any correlation between my post and "killing some babies"? Really, "dude"?

Going to ask you to reread, I think you missed the point as that was in no way insinuated. I just reread it to make sure. In fact, it was the opposite -- promise.

 

[PennyLynn]

I thought it was pretty well written coming from a person who's native language is, more than likely, not English. And, if you want to be picky, you really should have said "Someone needs to learn proper English". "Someone needs better English" is poorly written English. [emoji12]


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Yes, sorry. This is a website about E-cigarettes and vaping, not a literary essay site, so I didn't think carefully about my syntax. But now that I think about it, I AM paying a lot less in syn-tax these days.

 

[chargingcharlie]

Going to ignore your statement about Katya's intentions, etc. and just focus on this.

1. We are not talking about standard ceramic dust, we are talking about a very specific type of material called ceramic paper, or fiberglass paper, which is in a different league. We are not talking about large quantities of dust mite feces, we are not talking about sawdust, we are specifically talking about ceramic paper & fiberglass dust, two things known to break apart with agitation and are considered extremely dangerous to inhale.

2. How would you suggest someone wear a respirator while vaping their BVC coils?

The saturated wick IS the "respirator" filter. The mere fact that it is saturated (or even just damp) stops tiny particulates from going airborn. Why would you assume that the ceramic used in ceramic paper is any different than the ceramic used in pottery? The fact that they are using ceramic for its heat resistance and hydropholic properties, I think it's safe to assume that they are using a clay based ceramic rather than something like a quartz based ceramic. The fumes from heated copper are also extremely dangerous to inhale, yet people still use atties made from them [emoji6]


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[chargingcharlie]

Yes, sorry. This is a website about E-cigarettes and vaping, not a literary essay site, so I didn't think carefully about my syntax. But now that I think about it, I AM paying a lot less in syn-tax these days.

The 1st rule of being a grammar warlord:
The use of proper grammar in all attacks is paramount. [emoji6]


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[drunkenbatman]

For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if other atomizers are usuing patented materials they developed. The other option would be if someone else paid for independant testing of what's in ceramic paper.

I explained why this was a BS runaround, the point of patents is that you say exactly what's in it in order to have a monopoly for a certain period. You're doing their job for them, why?

Aspire didn't invent ceramic paper. You can buy this stuff on alibaba. We know what it is, and we know it's considered harmful. Whether you care or not is up to you, whether you want it to be harfmul isn't relevant except in how you selectively filter information.

There is a class people who are emotionally invested in these things and are grasping for any sort of thing to hold onto like "it needs more testing" and stuff. We don't need more testing on ceramic paper, or fiberglass paper. We know this stuff isn't safe to inhale. They know this stuff isn't safe to inhale, they basically come out and say it -- don't ever dry-burn or run low on liquid.

They're tossing in throaway bits of information and stalling tactics hoping to confuse or muddle things to help them buy time while they switch to all-cotton heads. Just like the tobacco industry and auto industry and others. This is tried & true because it works on low-information voters who are emotionally invested in a specific answer and looking for something to hold onto and regurgitate. Don't let it work on you.

 

[vincom]

afaik none of the wicking material used in vaping has been certified by any1 as safe to be used around a heating coil for atomizing liquids, and its pretty much guaranteed than "no" wicking material is safe to inhale if dryburned

 

[chargingcharlie]

I explained why this was a BS runaround, the point of patents is that you say exactly what's in it in order to have a monopoly for a certain period. You're doing their job for them, why?

Aspire didn't invent ceramic paper. You can buy this stuff on alibaba. We know what it is, and we know it's considered harmful. Whether you care or not is up to you, whether you want it to be harfmul isn't relevant except in how you selectively filter information.

There is a class people who are emotionally invested in these things and are grasping for any sort of thing to hold onto like "it needs more testing" and stuff. We don't need more testing on ceramic paper, or fiberglass paper. We know this stuff isn't safe to inhale. They know this stuff isn't safe to inhale, they basically come out and say it -- don't ever dry-burn or run low on liquid.

They're tossing in throaway bits of information and stalling tactics hoping to confuse or muddle things to help them buy time while they switch to all-cotton heads. Just like the tobacco industry and auto industry and others. This is tried & true because it works on low-information voters who are emotionally invested in a specific answer and looking for something to hold onto and regurgitate. Don't let it work on you.

And yet there are those who don't own one and are trying to justify their own decision. If they have a patent on the ceramic paper they use then it obviously isn't the same material that you would buy from alibaba. Perhaps they made alterations to that type of ceramic paper that makes it safer for its use? The only thing equally as bad as those who ignore scientific facts to justify their use of something, are those who try to demonize something that they have no knowledge of based on little more than hunches and assumptions.


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[chargingcharlie]

BTW, if they were "stalling" then why do you think they would have marketed it has having a patented ceramic wicking material in the first place? Using cotton, organic or not, would be more cost effective for them anyway.


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[drunkenbatman]

And just FYI, while I am not exhibiting the patience at the level of Saint Katya or my own standards in this thread, it's Christmas Eve. As a quick reminder, none of this is personal, especially the joke -- and I am assuming everyone's intentions are good, even the ones stuffing their bras. I hope you all are somewhere warm with people you care about, in good health, and ideally have good food and company to look forward to tomorrow. And if you don't have those things right now, I wish them for you.

 

[chargingcharlie]

And just FYI, while I am not exhibiting the patience at the level of Saint Katya or my own standards in this thread, it's Christmas Eve. As a quick reminder, none of this is personal, especially the joke -- and I am assuming everyone's intentions are good, even the ones stuffing their bras. I hope you all are somewhere warm with people you care about, in good health, and ideally have good food and company to look forward to tomorrow. And if you don't have those things right now, I wish them for you.

I never took any of your (or Katya's) posts personally, and I hope you don't take mine that way either. I'm just very big about not freaking out about anything unless there's a valid reason to. I'd be willing to bet that anyone who works in a dusty barn mucking stalls has a far greater risk of respiratory damage than a person who vapes from BVCs for 10-20 years.


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[TRoxx]

I just got a new Toothbrush ..
Im concerned about the type of material the bristles are made from..
I contacted CVS and they gave me the run around...
Seems like they dont know or care about the....
Wait a minute...
Im on the wrong Forum!!

 

[chargingcharlie]

BTW, just a side note...have you ever wondered about what you put in your lungs when you're sitting in a room with burning incense or candles? Or while sitting in a car that has an air freshener? I'm not being a smartass here...it's something I actually think about pretty often.


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[drunkenbatman]

And yet there are those who don't own one and are trying to justify their own decision. If they have a patent on the ceramic paper they use then it obviously isn't the same material that you would buy from alibaba. Perhaps they made alterations to that type of ceramic paper that makes it safer for its use?

Patent-pending doesn't always mean what you think it means. I've seen them as "patent-pending ceramic technology coils," eg if you wanted, you could take peanut butter and stick it between a layer of yarn and steel mesh and apply for a patent, and call it "patent-pending peanut butter technology coils."

As for all the perhaps they did this, perhaps they did that -- I'm just using logic and available evidence, not trying to spin what-ifs in favor of the company. As direct evidence against this, when they've been asked if this stuff is the case, they've chosen not to say and just said it's ceramic paper, after stating to the regulatory agency that it's fiberglass paper, so I feel no need to assume they're sprinkling it with magic fairy dust to make it safe ceramic paper.

 

[chargingcharlie]

Patent-pending doesn't always mean what you think it means. I've seen them as "patent-pending ceramic technology coils," eg if you wanted, you could take peanut butter and stick it between a layer of yarn and steel mesh and apply for a patent, and call it "patent-pending peanut butter technology coils."

As for all the perhaps they did this, perhaps they did that -- I'm just using logic and available evidence, not trying to spin what-ifs in favor of the company. As direct evidence against this, when they've been asked if this stuff is the case, they've chosen not to say and just said it's ceramic paper, after stating to the regulatory agency that it's fiberglass paper, so I feel no need to assume they're sprinkling it with magic fairy dust to make it safe ceramic paper.

My point was that assumptions are assumptions no matter which side of the debate you're sitting on. Your right...they could've added a Popsicle stick, or arsenic, or even magical unicorn saliva that attracts all the nasties. The bottom line is that nobody knows and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's harmful. Do you kno exactly what material is used for the wicking materials and/or coil materials of each comercially available atty? Do you know all of the exact ingredients that are in any pre-mixed juice you buy? How do you know if they are, in fact, using USP grade PG/VG and not farm grade? And, if you don't know all of those things, and you can't back it up with chemical analysis papers for each of them, then why are you so concerned about this one material?


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[Lilvapie]

"Walt" didn't sound like any kind if scientist at all. "Walt" sound incompetent indeed. Unsure about what he was even talking about. Why is there no specification as far as what degree he holds? Biological science? What is he? Some hipster with a college degree?

 

[PennyLynn]

The 1st rule of being a grammar warlord:
The use of proper grammar in all attacks is paramount. [emoji6]


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Um, your earlier post had a small error, and in my dismay, I didn't see it.
That should be "whose native language," not "who's."

 

[chargingcharlie]

Um, your earlier post had a small error, and in my dismay, I didn't see it.
That should be "whose native language," not "who's."

You must be imagining things. I don't make silly mistakes.

I thought it was pretty well written coming from a person whose native language is, more than likely, not English. And, if you want to be picky, you really should have said "Someone needs to learn proper English". "Someone needs better English" is poorly written English. [emoji12]


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[drunkenbatman]

My point was that assumptions are assumptions no matter which side of the debate you're sitting on. Your right...they could've added a Popsicle stick, or arsenic, or even magical unicorn saliva that attracts all the nasties. The bottom line is that nobody knows and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's harmful.

If it was a lead atomizer and the person wasn't forthcoming about any specific changes they made to make it safe... well it's a lead atomizer. If it was arsenic flavored ejiuce and the person wasn't forthcoming about how they made the arsenic inert, well it's arsenic flavored ejuice (would taste like almonds). If it's an atomizer using ceramic paper or fiberglass paper and the people aren't forthcoming about how and why it is safe -- and in fact *admit* it isn't safe under at least some circumstances -- well...

I get what you're trying to say about not jumping to conclusions, but that just isn't where we are here. The burden of proof for using something like that isn't on the people going "uhhhhh," and we're even well past that point.

 

[chargingcharlie]

If it was a lead atomizer and the person wasn't forthcoming about any specific changes they made to make it safe... well it's a lead atomizer. If it was arsenic flavored ejiuce and the person wasn't forthcoming about how they made the arsenic inert, well it's arsenic flavored ejuice (would taste like almonds). If it's an atomizer using ceramic paper or fiberglass paper and the people aren't forthcoming about how and why it is safe -- and in fact *admit* it isn't safe under at least some circumstances -- well...

I get what you're trying to say about not jumping to conclusions, but that just isn't where we are here. The burden of proof for using something like that isn't on the people going "uhhhhh," and we're even well past that point.

I don't think you do understand what I was trying to say. I wasn't just talking about jumping to conclusions. I was trying to point out that anyone who buys premixed juice has absolutely no idea of what actual ingredients are being used, nor do they know of the sanitation practices of the person they buy it from. The same goes for the cotton that people buy from Amazon and fasttech. Out of the multiple atties I have, only one of them uses BVCs, so I honestly have no bias. If I find out tomorrow that they have asbestos in them then it wouldn't bother me one bit to throw all my unused coils in the trash. The major point that I was trying to make was that the whole vaping industry is unregulated right now. The amount of effort that people put into worrying about the material in BVCs just baffles me. I just don't understand how someone can worry so much about a tiny swab of material that would literally take at least 5-20 years to affect your health, if it is even as harmful as they assume...while ingesting copius amounts of juice that they bought from some hipster who's possibly mixing it up in his mothers basement with unsanitized utensils. Is that assumption a stretch? Yes, it is... but it is probably more of a threat than these coils would be if the were to be as harmful as people assume that they are.


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