Atmistique Atomizers

[jayD]

what size o-ring is needed to fit into the poles base?

 

[Kataphraktos]

Too early for any conclusions, but I'm pretty sure the juice is not going through the center of the Diver pole, but seeping between a loose Diver pole and the inner surface of the Diver base, the small black plastic insert in the base of the Diver.

I believe the difference between some Divers and the Killer/eBDP is that the poles in the latter are extra-tight, leaving zero space between the pole and the hole into which it is inserted. Based on my brief experience covering this gap by inserting a tiny O-ring on the pole, I'm pretty confident there is no issue with juice leaking out the center hole of the Diver pole. If this was the case, any device that could be used with a bottom feeder would leak, including generic disposable atomizers.

My ceramics are always a tight fit in the Diver, as they should be. It's the center poles that are a bit loose.

After a night with a "standard" wick and a tiny O-ring inserted on the pole's base, no leakage, not even a hint of condensation! I'm pretty sure this confirms that the juice is travelling through the gap between the center pole and the inner circumference of the Diver. If your pole wedges in tight, you have no leaking. if your pole is on the loose side, like mine is in both Divers I own, you get some leaking.QUOTE]





I recently acquired a Killer and noticed that the pin is solid, not hollow.
I believe it to be the same dimensions and if so i will try to use it with a regular coil in a tight cup and see where that takes me.
I think you are right about the juice dripping down via the inside of the pin.

 

[Kataphraktos]

what size o-ring is needed to fit into the poles base?

I used the top hole O-rings from a GP Paps SnP, which are "black hard Viton© food grade top O-rings 2,5 x 0,8 mm". Any tiny O-ring that you can squeeze on should work. I would not use anything like aluminum foil or other conductive metal, as this would heat up a lot, nor would I use anything that isn't at least food grade (like these O-rings are), as you will be vaping anything that comes off of whatever you use to tighten up the pole.

 

[andrebandre]

Too early for any conclusions, but I'm pretty sure the juice is not going through the center of the Diver pole, but seeping between a loose Diver pole and the inner surface of the Diver base, the small black plastic insert in the base of the Diver.

I believe the difference between some Divers and the Killer/eBDP is that the poles in the latter are extra-tight, leaving zero space between the pole and the hole into which it is inserted. Based on my brief experience covering this gap by inserting a tiny O-ring on the pole, I'm pretty confident there is no issue with juice leaking out the center hole of the Diver pole. If this was the case, any device that could be used with a bottom feeder would leak, including generic disposable atomizers.




I misread your initial post on leaking around the pin.
I guess it is because i did also try a ring around the head of the pin in Noah's times when flooding was the order of the day.
What i tried though was shrink wrap tubing that fit just as snug around the shaft of the pin after it shrank. Any o ring i had was too thick and pushed the pin out too much leaving a huge gap between the tank bottom and the top of the mod.
I still had the some leak afterward but not as much hence the thought it must come out through the center of the pin.
Regardless, since there are so many places where it can leak, whatever does the trick is all that matters.
I'm leakless now so i'm happy.

PS. The pin of the Killer is tight like a mothertrucker. I don't know how it doesn't shatter the tiny cup to pieces.

 

[Kataphraktos]

PS. The pin of the Killer is tight like a mothertrucker. I don't know how it doesn't shatter the tiny cup to pieces.

I don't think it is tight in the ceramic, it is tight vis-a-vis the base of the Killer - that's how my eBDP is as well.

I do believe either of these solutions should work for the Diver - one plugs the gap where the leak occurs on some Divers, the other mops up the admittedly small amount of juice involved in these leaks. Result is one of the best vapes around, no leaking, and a lot of fun getting it there. I hope one of these solutions works for those with this issue.

 

[eratikmind]

I have a hard time removing the ceramic and a harder time removing the pole. I have never had issue with either of the two. Is it dumb luck?

I always grasp the ceramic cup with a rubber balloon. All I do is twist and pull. It comes right out with just a bit of effort.

- Andy

 

[synic]

I always grasp the ceramic cup with a rubber balloon. All I do is twist and pull. It comes right out with just a bit of effort.

- Andy

I do the same thing, except with that cupboard liner stuff. I cut two small squares and I use them all the time for my RBA stuff:

 

[Kataphraktos]

Short update: midday with the O-ring solution, there's a bit of juice on the pole and in the 510 connector. More than with the long wick solution, but still a lot less with neither long wick nor O-ring on the pole - I'd say about a drop total, as opposed to a fraction of a drop max with the long wick, and 2-3 drops with neither. Next up, I'll test long wick and O-ring together.

 

[tmcase]

Could somebody with a diver and calipers give me some measurements please? I need

1. What is the diameter of the flange

2. What is the depth of the flange

3. What is the height of the Diver (only the height that goes into the tank,
so from the top of the flange to the tip of the top of the diver)

Thanks in advance.

 

[Idaholandho]

Short update: midday with the O-ring solution, there's a bit of juice on the pole and in the 510 connector. More than with the long wick solution, but still a lot less with neither long wick nor O-ring on the pole - I'd say about a drop total, as opposed to a fraction of a drop max with the long wick, and 2-3 drops with neither. Next up, I'll test long wick and O-ring together.

My brother Kat...I'm curious why you wouldn't just use another ceramic? Seems the tolerance on them could be askew on a few.
My diver in the SnP dripped and gurgled a bit but seems the ekowool swelled after a bit and now 1.5 tanks later I still have no issue.
Sorry if I missed something just seems you are working hard for repairing issues and divers have been in use for a long time with no issues.
Love ya my Greek neighbor.

 

[Kataphraktos]

My brother Kat...I'm curious why you wouldn't just use another ceramic? Seems the tolerance on them could be askew on a few.
My diver in the SnP dripped and gurgled a bit but seems the ekowool swelled after a bit and now 1.5 tanks later I still have no issue.
Sorry if I missed something just seems you are working hard for repairing issues and divers have been in use for a long time with no issues.
Love ya my Greek neighbor.

I rotate 6 ceramics, and have a bag of another 20 in reserve.

I know most Divers work perfectly, but as I posted in the GP Paps thread, these tolerances on such devices are such that a few will come out a tad off - either the metal base, or the black insulator within, or the post insert. In some cases (like my SnP, where no cart or Diver would go through), the flaw is insurmountable, and a replacement is in order.

Anyways, I post these mini-diaries as a means to stimulate conversation and facilitate new ideas, not to belittle a product. The Diver is awesome, and so very simple and effective compared to other similar products. I would not spend so much time tinkering with a device if it wasn't amazing to begin with.

And, I'll toot a couple of horns here, the back and forth may have created a slightly better wick & coil setup leading to a slightly better vape, and a way around the occasional leaking a small fraction of owners experience.

Besides, it's fun.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Sorry if I missed something just seems you are working hard for repairing issues and divers have been in use for a long time with no issues.

And, for the record, I consider my issue completely resolved, I'm just tinkering with the variables of this new wick configuration now. Like I just rebuilt both my Divers using even longer wicks, one with 1mm Ekowool and the other with 2mm Ekowool, just to see the difference.

Which reminds me, I need a third Diver.

 

[Idaholandho]

Ah, I see. Just wondering, when I read you are adding o-rings to the post and doing a corkscrew wick inside for gurgling issues and such, I was under the impression you were reinventing the wheel.

 

[andrebandre]

I don't think it is tight in the ceramic, it is tight vis-a-vis the base of the Killer - that's how my eBDP is as well.

That explains it.
Hearing about people busting cups left and right and thinking that the force needed to push the pin up the Killer's digestive tract seemed to me way too much, made me wonder how my cup can withstand such abuse without any complaint.

 

[tmcase]

I'd like to bump this because the info is important.

Could somebody with a diver and calipers give me some measurements please? I need

1. What is the diameter of the flange

2. What is the depth of the flange

3. What is the height of the Diver (only the height that goes into the tank,
so from the top of the flange to the tip of the top of the diver)

Thanks in advance.

 

[sircharles]

I'd like to bump this because the info is important.

Cleaning up my diver right now
I'll get you measurements before putting it back together

 

[tmcase]

Cleaning up my diver right now
I'll get you measurements before putting it back together

Cool, thanks.

 

[sircharles]

Cool, thanks.

1. Flange Dia = 10mm
2. Flange Depth = 1.2mm
3. Top of flange to top of diver = 36mm

Flange tapers on the top. that's why I got 1.2mm
Without the taper, it's 1mm

I hope that helps

 

[tmcase]

1. Flange Dia = 10mm
2. Flange Depth = 1.2mm
3. Top of flange to top of diver = 36mm

Flange tapers on the top. that's why I got 1.2mm
Without the taper, it's 1mm

I hope that helps

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

 

[Idaholandho]

1. Flange Dia = 10mm
2. Flange Depth = 1.2mm
3. Top of flange to top of diver = 36mm

Flange tapers on the top. that's why I got 1.2mm
Without the taper, it's 1mm

I hope that helps

Nice brother.