Attack of the Hana Modz Clone. Let's wait together!

[xtwosm0kesx]

People keep saying it over and over, but there is ZERO evidence Hana is going after anyone but Illvapes as they were, as far as i know, the only ones who actually marketed a branded clone. Not only that, the branded clone sold for a higher price than the unbranded (may have had something to do with battery style, no idea) which, in my mind, could be used as a separate argument about them profiting directly from the trademark violation.

Lets repeat this one more time, if the box/stickers/chip boot-up DO NOT contain Hana's name/registered logo/trademark, there is NOTHING Hana can do to the other vendors, even if the boxes were LITERALLY identical.

To take action regarding unbranded clones would require a patent, something Hana doesn't have. (AFAIK, maybe the X-files mindset guys in this thread know of one pending...lol).

 

[CurlyxCracker]

the crappy part is i have to now wait for them to refund me before i can even re order from a new vendor.... god knows how long thats gonna take. I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER ORDER ANYTHING FROM ILLVAPES EVER AGAIN.... GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

Blame Hana and not a company that's trying to make sure they are in the clear

To be fair.... ILLvapes brought this upon themselves by selling trademarked merchandise. Probably a overlooked dumb mistake. That said they handled this in the worst way, keeping their customers in the dark, unacceptable.
To add to this hana modz were "donkeys" for handling it this way. I have zero doubt that a simple cease and desist was all that's needed. I believe the hint of legal repercussions would have scared them into doing the same thing they are doing. If they are in fact sued it will probably ruin their business and it will go away. Anyone read the recent call to action from CASAA? It is pertinent to yet another vendor going out of business... In my opinion it was a male reproductive organ move. They have every right to protect intellectual property, that's been done no profit is being made by ILLvapes from their trademark (they are in fact taking a hit, both financially and consumer based) . But now another American business will be just a bad memory.
Disclaimer: the above are my personal opinions.

 

[dabears34]

I think with the rapid growth of this industry and the nature of cloning we are bound to see more fiascos like this.

 

[mykereid]

I don't see the need for a warning shot. Illvapes advertised openly and often that they were selling a mod that used Hana trademark, was make just like Hana's product, worked at well as Hana's product, and included images that showed the likeness of Hana's product. I don't know who owns Illvapes, but if they don't have a lawyer on retainer for this kind of stuff, they should.

its both there faults, dillvapes fault for selling a logo clone when no one else was and have the audacity to sell it for more, and its hanas fault for jumping the gun and suing them without a warning shot....

 

[p7willm]

If Hana knows of infringers of their trademark and does nothing to stop it Hana will loose the trademark. At one point aspirin was a trademark of Bayer and they did not defend it so it became the generic name for acetasacilic (sp) acid. Coke pays people to go to restaurants & bars, order a Coke and if they are given Pepsi Coke will sue. Ever notice that when you order a Coke the server asks is Pepsi OK?

 

[entoptic]

at this point, I'm thankful that I thought the hana logo looked dumb, and am hoping that silver is an un-popular color..... I'm #2410. to lay down my 2 cents about logos: there'd be no market for them if people (here in the states) were not reselling them and passing them off as legit.

 

[jd1978]

IMO opinion the HANA Modz company is all about the money. At one point I really wanted the authentic. My view of them has dramatically changed with all the run around they gave their customers. I mean come on, how hard is it to increase production to meet demand. Their QC obviously sucks. I've heard of so many ppl waiting months on a 250$ mod just to get a DOA mod or some other quality issues. For 250$ a mod better be top notch, not half a**ed. Imo opinion they kinda deserve the grief they are getting. I own 2 ProVaris and paid a pretty penny for both, this why I don't understand ... is up with HANA. I work in production for a very large US flooring manufacturer. I have to deal with raw material venders quite often. It is known, in my industry, that certain suppliers that are the sole producers of certain items create shortages on purposes to drive up cost of materials. I've wondered if this may have been a trick that HANA was trying to pull only to get bit in the a**. Just my thoughts on what's going on.

 

[truskme]

I don't see the need for a warning shot. Illvapes advertised openly and often that they were selling a mod that used Hana trademark, was make just like Hana's product, worked at well as Hana's product, and included images that showed the likeness of Hana's product. I don't know who owns Illvapes, but if they don't have a lawyer on retainer for this kind of stuff, they should.

i could be wrong, but in their mind they sell other clones with the logos on it and they never had any legal troubles. i think they went about the hana clone the same way and thought hey... its no big deal, its just another 1:1 clone and well have a leg up because apparently were the only ones doing the logo so we can charge more and were gonna sell a ton of them !!!! ohhhhhh MONEY MONEY NOM NOM

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I don't see the need for a warning shot. Illvapes advertised openly and often that they were selling a mod that used Hana trademark, was make just like Hana's product, worked at well as Hana's product, and included images that showed the likeness of Hana's product. I don't know who owns Illvapes, but if they don't have a lawyer on retainer for this kind of stuff, they should.

Could have been a iLlvapes lost all the money on the units and they are not sold, instead a company making no doubt more than iLlvapes is going to put them into bankruptcy (speculation alert)

 

[jd1978]

I think with the rapid growth of this industry and the nature of cloning we are bound to see more fiascos like this.

Most mods produced are from outside the US, the Filipino, and German ones anyway. Their trademarks don't count here so I doubt much will change.

 

[dr g]

People keep saying it over and over, but there is ZERO evidence Hana is going after anyone but Illvapes as they were, as far as i know, the only ones who actually marketed a branded clone. Not only that, the branded clone sold for a higher price than the unbranded (may have had something to do with battery style, no idea) which, in my mind, could be used as a separate argument about them profiting directly from the trademark violation.

Lets repeat this one more time, if the box/stickers/chip boot-up DO NOT contain Hana's name/registered logo/trademark, there is NOTHING Hana can do to the other vendors, even if the boxes were LITERALLY identical.

To take action regarding unbranded clones would require a patent, something Hana doesn't have. (AFAIK, maybe the X-files mindset guys in this thread know of one pending...lol).

This is not exactly true. The appearance of the product could be trade dress, however Hana's design may not be distinctive enough for that. In any event they are not pursing trade dress in the complaint as it probably would require more legal work and be less clearcut.

I don't see the need for a warning shot. Illvapes advertised openly and often that they were selling a mod that used Hana trademark, was make just like Hana's product, worked at well as Hana's product, and included images that showed the likeness of Hana's product. I don't know who owns Illvapes, but if they don't have a lawyer on retainer for this kind of stuff, they should.

I don't see anything wrong with protecting your business and property, intellectual or otherwise.

Someone gets it. I looked at the complaint and the 3 claims are logo, name and copyrighted images from Hana's website. So Illvapes really totally ignored Hana's IP and flagrantly used it to sell.

It's worth noting that the name is trademarked so any company that uses or ever used the Hana name, such as "Hana clone" is also infringing.

Which part do you not agree with or which part was miss-typed.....did my ohm's law calculator not calculate right?

Watts is watts, so 20 watts will not be the same as 25 watts under any circumstance. Furthermore the resistance of the load is largely irrelevant to DNA and other regulated mods.

 

[truskme]

Ever notice that when you order a Coke the server asks is Pepsi OK?

haha WHAAAAAAAAAT!!!?!?!? i was a waiter and that certainly was not part of the training, "oh make sure you ask if pepsi is ok or else well get sued" i think that spot of gold would have stuck out in my mind. i always just assumed some people can taste the difference between the two and prefer one over the other, i certainly can...

 

[lot17ss]

Was this a mass email? I didn't get anything

It was a personal email. I had asked what the status was of my NO LOGO unit and that was the response.

 

[dr g]

IMO opinion the HANA Modz company is all about the money. At one point I really wanted the authentic. My view of them has dramatically changed with all the run around they gave their customers. I mean come on, how hard is it to increase production to meet demand.

It can be very difficult for a small company to add employees or change processes, especially when they are spending all their time producing current orders.

Their QC obviously sucks. I've heard of so many ppl waiting months on a 250$ mod just to get a DOA mod or some other quality issues. For 250$ a mod better be top notch, not half a**ed. Imo opinion they kinda deserve the grief they are getting. I own 2 ProVaris and paid a pretty penny for both, this why I don't understand ... is up with HANA.

Quality control issues I won't comment on, however comparing to Provari is not really valid. For one Provari is a larger company with a much larger capital investment, which has been around a lot longer so its production capacity is well matched to its demand. For another, producing a single button tube mod, even a regulated one, is significantly simpler than producing a DNA mod.

I work in production for a very large US flooring manufacturer. I have to deal with raw material venders quite often. It is known, in my industry, that certain suppliers that are the sole producers of certain items create shortages on purposes to drive up cost of materials. I've wondered if this may have been a trick that HANA was trying to pull only to get bit in the a**. Just my thoughts on what's going on.

This doesn't really happen among mod makers, at least not among DNA mod makers. You have to be in very solid position financially and in the market to attempt this. As a young company in the first stages of growth of an industry in flux, it's not really possible to do this. It wouldn't do anything positive anyway.

 

[truskme]

how long do you guys think it will take to get my refund back in my debit card?

 

[jd1978]

I don't see anything wrong with protecting your business and property, intellectual or otherwise.

The only thing they have to protect is their logo. Did they create the box mod, no. They actually stole that from whoever was the first to make a box mod. Do they have anything special inside, no. They're using a widely available modding chip.

 

[MrBeo]

within 5-10 business days is the normal time frame.

 

[lot17ss]

I just got my refund confirmation from ILLvapes.

 

[dr g]

The only thing they have to protect is their logo. Did they create the box mod, no. They actually stole that from whoever was the first to make a box mod. Do they have anything special inside, no. They're using a widely available modding chip.

If what they had had no value, it would not have been cloned.

 

[Fegbri]

Not to piss in your cereal, but free speech has nothing to do with "allowing others to speak what they will."

That is your contribution to this thread? Thanks. Well noted.