yeah, that crossed my mind, to be frank,,,,,,,but what about the vice president etc etc,,,,,I don't know the business lingo. Doesn't he have others he is accountable to who could collectively stop him? LOL, as you can tell, I'm not business savvy
Attack on UK vapers by TW
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yeah, that crossed my mind, to be frank,,,,,,,but what about the vice president etc etc,,,,,I don't know the business lingo. Doesn't he have others he is accountable to who could collectively stop him? LOL, as you can tell, I'm not business savvy
I feel sorry for all the franchise outlets that will lose buisness from this.
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Hopefully one of his employees is savvy enough to go it alone and take the mass exodus of his current customers with them.
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Youtube have removed most of Mr. Cropper's threatening and intimidating comments from the Totally Wicked Opinion channel, but thisone remains. Surely illegal, no?
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Unfortunately some folks will never understand how's this Universe actually works... Sometimes I wanna scream: Stop fool! Don't do that! You'll earn nothing by doing this! It's just an illusion. You'll eventually loose much much more...
His brother released a statement that to me read as though he is good with Jason's actions.
I couldn't knowingly do business with someone who is as unstable as he seems to be.
All of the posts regarding events to happen lead me to believe he is acting as a [unjustifiable accusation removed by admin]. Trying to scare people and threatens with blatant disregard.
I couldn't knowingly do business with someone who is as unstable as he seems to be.
All of the posts regarding events to happen lead me to believe he is acting as a [unjustifiable accusation removed by admin]. Trying to scare people and threatens with blatant disregard.
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Somehow I can soon see this thread locked, this entire situation is getting out of control, and both sides are responsible for that.
As Roly has said, this can continue as long as there are no personal attacks, and no product bashing.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...312107-attack-uk-vapers-tw-8.html#post6622984
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...12107-attack-uk-vapers-tw-15.html#post6629046
So, I am also glad to see that not only has this thread not been stopped, but it is #1 on the list of people who are writing. I would like to talk about the Country I live in and how 54 people changed the way of life for us all today.
In 1776, UK was not the same great people they are today. Yes, they gave the USA their start, but were overtaxing us and we wanted to be independant. The problem was, someone had to make a stand in order for a new Nation to exist.
Here in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a few miles from where I am right now, the Continental Congress finally voted on making a new Nation and had the General George Washington wage war on England. It all could have ended for those few men. Yet, making the stand that they were going to be independant or... die, they had no other choice.
Let's bring it up to present day. Vaping has only been existance for less than 10 years. It is only a very small percentage of the money that goes to cigarettes and traditional smoking cessation devices like patch and gum. The owner of TW cannot have made more than several million from it which is way less than Big Tobacco around this World. So as big of a fish as he may seem here, in the "Real" World, he is small fry!
But, Forums are not money makers. They have way less. They have fear now that free speech can lead to this type of "Strong Arming," and they can go the way of UKV too.
It is up to us, the vaping public around the World to make a stand, like when my Country was formed. The stand is that we will not go back to smoking. Vaping is my life. Vaping is my hobby, vaping is my love.
To have anyone do what this man has done is not ok with me. He has threatened me and you. I don't have to curse when I write. As long as I don't do that, the material I am talking about, good or bad, is the basis of vaping. I want to help new people not to make the same mistakes I made. If this is threatened and I know if I say something bad about any Company, especially TW who put UKV out of business based on a threat, and I am afraid to say it here at ECF.. he is here at ECF too, I just cannot live with this. Like I said the 1st time on this thread... it is a "Snowball" effect.
Either we grow, or we shrink. Yesterday we shrank.. I am glad we made it through the night here at ECF. Let's make today a new day where all vapers win. Love him, hate him, Mr. Cropper has called us to action. 1 Man made this hobby much smaller yesterday due to a threat... and yet, we are the ones, I personally have spent over $2,000 with him. Not lately, but most certainly at the beginning. Anyone can go and check this.
Also, I am not saying I don't like TW. I don't want to make my opinion known because it does not matter. What matters is what happened. That he did not like what was said and made a threat that closed UKV, a place I loved. It is gone and even if it ever comes back, it has shrunk to nothing.
Please, make the stand that vaping is ours, not any 1 persons. People who do reviews, if you have a fear that someone that does not like your review can come to your home and shoot you... you get what I am saying.
How can anyone have their own opinion and attitude if they live in fear something or someone will have power over them. How much power does it take to write these words? None. The power is in ECF's hands. If they have fear that I will insite a riot against this man, they may erase it. I hope they don't, but they can.. This is why I am writing again. You can see, I hardly have written anything in 3 years except blogs.. and this really is a blog too because I will not be interacting and will not be giving my opinions about TW except for 1:
I cannot live with 1 man putting UKV out of business without writing this. After I am done, I will feel much better. The most ECF will do is censor me and kick me out and erase this. If they do, the 20 some odd people who gave me likes on the last one... promise me you will carry on. No fowl language, no bad terms about anyone.
I will end with the Patriot (great mod from Igor in Russia!) way in the USA. We have no place else to go. We burn the bridge and the tie to this man and any man who stands in the way of our hobby of vaping. We will go on and not forget what has happened to UKV, even if you never visited it. This was the 1st instance I am aware of that a Forum has gone down.. and when 1 goes down, we all do, just a little, but a little is just as good as comming to my home and shooting me in the head. That is how much vaping means to me. We burn our bridges behind us and say: We did not take up vaping to quit smoking. It is a hobby that we love.
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A truly great post DAVEG but one tiny point of fact, the British were not overtaxing the Americans.
"In 1763 the average Briton paid 26 shillings a year in taxes. The equivalent figure for a Massachusetts taxpayer was just one shilling.
It was the constitutional principle - the right of the British parliament to levy taxes on the American colonists without their consent - that was the true bone of contention."
Nial Ferguson
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Absolutely on your side mate about the right the American people had to choose freedom, but they were not overtaxed.
If I remember correctly from my college US history courses,,,,,it wasn't that the US was being OVER taxed,,it was that we felt we were being taxed "without representation".
And I totally agree with Classy,,,a forum has the right to make and enforce it's own rules,,,,,,don't like it, make your own forum. I do think that ECF does a good job of being fair to all and allowing "freedom of speech" provided that speech isn't derogatory.
And I totally agree with Classy,,,a forum has the right to make and enforce it's own rules,,,,,,don't like it, make your own forum. I do think that ECF does a good job of being fair to all and allowing "freedom of speech" provided that speech isn't derogatory.
I'm sorry I really wasnt expecting so much company! only have enough for one cup each..but maybe it will help
What said person seems to forget, is that the people he's attacking, are the people that made him. This isn't about anything but a power trip due to having a little bit of money. If it were to drive it into bankruptcy, that power is gone. And, said person would fade into oblivion...and the world would go on without him.
A candle burns the brightest just before it goes out...
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The mods are right, folks! This is starting to look like an episode of Jerry Springer. I really kind of feel sorry for the poor soul who started all of this. ******************* being attacked by the entire worldwide vaping community isn't helping matters much. Kind of like continuing to kick a cornered dog right now. And the rest of us are sitting here watching it happen.
************************* . In the meanwhile, IVC has responded in a responsible way to investigate their own legal situation. If the said instigator had his wits about him, that is what he would be doing right now instead continuing his tirade. Hopefully, IVC will get it worked out soon and the forum will be able to reopen.
While they are working on it, the rest of us should probably go about our own business rather than fueling the fire. I understand pbusardo has a new contest going.
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