Attention all vapors! N.Y. Vapers need your help!!! Casaa call to action!! Now!!!

[orchiolum]

My county just initiated a county-wide ban, effective June 1st, on smoking analogs in public places, even in bars. This ban also included electronic cigarettes. The tobacco companies see the trend from analogs to ecigs, are freaked, and are spreading misinformation while stuffing money into the pockets of politicians.

 

[Hoosier]

My county just initiated a county-wide ban, effective June 1st, on smoking analogs in public places, even in bars.

You wouldn't happen to be in Marion county would you?

 

[DC2]

The tobacco companies see the trend from analogs to ecigs, are freaked, and are spreading misinformation while stuffing money into the pockets of politicians.

Actually, it's not the tobacco companies that are fighting against electronic cigarettes...
It's the pharmaceutical companies (Big Pharma) and their cronies.

The Big Pharma cronies include the following...
--American Lung Association
--American Cancer Society
--Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids
--Americans for Non-Smokers Rights
--The FDA

 

[JENerationX]

The whole thing is just asinine. There is no legitimate reason to ban e-cigs that are no more "harmful" than the patch and the gum, yet continue to sell cigarettes. It's about the money. If we're paying the cigarette tax or paying the tax on the gum or the patch that's fine, but God forbid we use something they're not making money on. They would rather we don't have effective alternatives and continue to pay their ridiculous cigarette taxes.

 

[Dant]

Actually, it's not the tobacco companies that are fighting against electronic cigarettes...
It's the pharmaceutical companies (Big Pharma) and their cronies.

The Big Pharma cronies include the following...
--American Lung Association
--American Cancer Society
--Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids
--Americans for Non-Smokers Rights
--The FDA

I do enjoy watching the TV commercials for all those wonderful FDA approved drugs.

"Feeling depressed? You can live a better life! Ask your doctor about Zombitol today!.....(soothing music)....may cause blindness, fainting, dizziness, hair loss, rectal bleeding, kidney failure...if you have a heart condition please tell your doctor before taking Zombitol...in some rare occurrences death has been reported but has not been proven to be linked to Zombitol."

 

[arc2029]

Wrote this:

Outlawing the sale of electronic cigarettes is reckless, immoral, prejudiced and stupid.

Although this industry is fairly new, and statistics are not readily available, thousands - if not hundreds of thousands - of smokers have quit with the aid of electronic cigarettes, myself included. I smoked cigarettes for 14 years (half my life), and tried to quit 20-30 times. I was unable to successfully quit smoking cigarettes until May 26th of this year, when I purchased my first electronic cigarette. While the "ecig" does provide an inhaled nicotine solution, it mitigates the danger of smoking cigarettes by eliminating the approximately 4,000 chemicals released through burning while allowing the user to retain the oral/manual fixation associated with the habit. In addition to the danger mitigation afforded the user, the threat of second hand smoke is completely eliminated in that the user exhales harmless, odorless water vapor while using the ecig.

I find it completely irresponsible that the State of New York would seek to prohibit the sale of electronic cigarettes while continuing to allow the sale of "traditional" cigarettes, which contain carbon monoxide, tar, arsenic, ammonia, cyanide, hydrogen cyanide (used in the GAS CHAMBER), acetone, butane, DDT, formaldehyde, sulfuric acid, cadmium, freon, geranic acid, and methoprene, all of which are DANGEROUS AND DEADLY CHEMICALS!!!!

The bill references an FDA study from 2009 (hardly current, and the industry has advanced considerably since that time) in which the administration found relatively harmless (relative to cigarettes, that is) chemicals in some electronic cigarette liquids. What are the FDA's findings in regard to traditional tobacco cigarettes, which will remain legal? Additionally, the incident in which an electronic cigarette exploded in a man's mouth causing injuries was isolated and caused by improper and dangerous modifications of the devices.

You guys seems to be focused on the wrong industry. Whether motivated by tobacco lobbyists or tobacco tax revenues, this legislation is clearly not a matter of concern for public health. This legislation should be rewritten to prohibit the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors only.

Thank you,

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thank you for pointing that out. I try and explain that many of these "non- profits" are antz becuz if there are no analog related diseases all these fat cat executives would have to go out and get a real job. Really quite pitiful that their livlihoods are dependent on the suffering of those with smoking related illnesses.

Actually, it's not the tobacco companies that are fighting against electronic cigarettes...
It's the pharmaceutical companies (Big Pharma) and their cronies.

The Big Pharma cronies include the following...
--American Lung Association
--American Cancer Society
--Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids
--Americans for Non-Smokers Rights
--The FDA

 

[bhamilton_930]

You should definitely do whatever you can to thwart this stupidity, but don't panic.
Lawmakers propose bills all the time that have no chance of surviving legal challenges.
This is one of them.

They can no more ban e-cigs than they can ban cigarettes. They occupy the same legal niche as tobacco products. By longstanding precedent achieved in court by BT, neither the states nor the federal government can ban the sale of tobacco products.

They can tax them to death. They can restrict their use so heavily they create a de-facto ban, they can do just about anything short of a ban. But they cannot impose an outright ban on the sale of e-cigs. States that are notoriously anti-ecig, like Utah for example, would have banned e-cigs outright if they had the legal authority.

This is an election year, so expect many politicians to propose a whole rash of laws that could never be upheld in court. The do it all the time in a cynical attempt to buy campaign contributions and get their faces in the news. They know full well that even if their ridiculous bills were passed, they'd never be upheld. But these proposals serve their purpose, gaining their sponsors publicity and support from the idgits who don't know any better.

Look around for a state, city or county that has banned the sale of cigarettes. Can't find one? That's because they can't, and don't think there aren't some cities and small municipalities that would have banned cigarettes if they could. Some people would argue, erroneously, that the only reason the feds don't ban cigs is because of the taxes. But smaller jurisdictions, like cities or counties, don't share enough revenue from tobacco taxes to preclude their ban. San Francisco would ban cigarettes if they could get away with it, but they can't. States and cities can ban the sale of alcohol or trans-fat or soda over 16oz. None of those have gained the legal protection enjoyed by tobacco products.

Only the FDA can ban e-cigs and, since the courts have ruled they are tobacco products, all they can do now is to regulate them. Congress can't ban tobacco products, only tax them to death. If Congress and the FDA can't ban e-cigs, the state of NY certainly can't. "States Rights" only extends so far.

i find this argument kinda weak only for one big reason. they can ban or at very last as you stated "severely limit" the use of such said products. when i think of ban, i think of the south and their "dry counties"

essentially the same thing. that's about all i got to say. i think lets not distract ourselves with frivolous comments of they can't they wont how could they ban blah blah. lets stay focused as this could lead to bigger and worse legislation. they could ban the production of or the sale of anything related to ecigs. i say push forward and write to respective government leaders and let your voice be heard. until then


tootles

 

[FL Lori]

Shared on my FB account. I moved to florida but have lots of NY friends. It's pathetic!

 

[hairball]

The whole thing is just asinine. There is no legitimate reason to ban e-cigs that are no more "harmful" than the patch and the gum, yet continue to sell cigarettes. It's about the money. If we're paying the cigarette tax or paying the tax on the gum or the patch that's fine, but God forbid we use something they're not making money on. They would rather we don't have effective alternatives and continue to pay their ridiculous cigarette taxes.

It's ALL about money and who can line the FDA's pocket with the most of it. It's BP that is doing this. Instead of the FDA challenging it again, which I don't think they can, they are letting each state do it's own thing.

 

[FL Lori]

This is why. The taxes on cigarettes in NY State are rediculous, the city is even worse. They claim they want you to quit so they raised the taxes then try to outlaw e-cigs. Yeah they want you to quit...

"There is a combined City and State cigarette tax of $6.46 per pack on all cigarettes possessed for sale or use in New York City ($4.35 is New York State tax; $1.50 is New York City tax; $0.61 Prepaid Sales Tax)."

Copied from Cigarette Tax Enforcement

 

[JENerationX]

Welcome to the great state of NY. I'll die two ways, cigarettes, or taxed to death. I was hoping to avoid dying of cigarettes, now they want to take my lifeline away.

 

[JENerationX]

bumpage..... this needs the attention

 

[yiddleboge6]

ATTENTION ALL VAPERS!! NEW YORK needs your HELP!!


We need to POUND the NY Senate with emails and phone calls ESPECIALLY Sen. HANNON so we can save lives and stop this bill from being passed..

Sen Hannon is in bed with the Tobacco Companies from what I heard from a friend that lives in New York..


Introduced by Sen. HANNON
BILL NUMBER:S7635

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to amend the public health law, in relation to prohibiting the sale of
electronic cigarettes


PURPOSE:

To prohibit the sale or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes.


SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:

Section one amends Public Health Law § 1399-aa to define an electronic
cigarette as a battery operated device that contains cartridges filled
with a combination of nicotine, flavor and chemicals that are turned
into vapor which is inhaled by the user.


Section two adds a section § 1399-11-2 to prohibit the sale or
offering for sale any electronic cigarette.


Section three provides that the act shall take effect on the first of
January succeeding its enactment.


JUSTIFICATION:= BS
Electronic cigarettes are products designed to deliver nicotine and
other substance to a use in the form of a vapor. They are typically
composed of a rechargeable, battery-operated heating element, a
replaceable cartridge that may contain nicotine or other chemicals,
and an atomizer that, when heated, converts the contents of the
cartridge into vapor.

In 2009, the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a press
release warning individuals about the safety of electronic
cigarettes. Their laboratory analysis revealed that some electronic
cigarettes contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene
glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze that is toxic to humans. In
February 2012, a 57 year old man reportedly suffered severe injuries
when an electronic cigarette exploded in his mouth.

S7635-2011 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Prohibits the sale or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes - New York State Senate


Here are there email addresses..
hannon@nysenate.gov, skelos@nysenate.gov, alesi@nysenate.gov, breslin@nysenate.gov, dilan@nysenate.gov, duane@nysenate.gov, farley@nysenate.gov, fuschill@nysenate.gov, hassellt@nysenate.gov, ojohnson@nysenate.gov, lkrueger@nysenate.gov, larkin@nysenate.gov, lavalle@nysenate.gov, senator@senatorlibous.com, marcelli@nysenate.gov, maziarz@nysenate.gov, montgome@nysenate.gov, nozzolio@nysenate.gov, parker@nysenate.gov, perkins@nysenate.gov, saland@nysenate.gov, sampson@nysenate.gov, seward@nysenate.gov, skelos@nysenate.gov, masmith@nysenate.gov, scousins@nysenate.gov


For more info..http://blog.casaa.org/2012/06/new-york-state-call-to-action.html

PLEASE PEOPLE WE NEED EVERYONE TO HELP!!!! GO TO THE LINK ABOVE!!

THANK YOU!!!

I'm bumping this again. This needs to be stopped before it spreads to other states!!!

 

[VapoTom]

I'm sending individual emails to everyone in the list provided. I am sick of these money grabbing politicians who seem to have forgotten that they only exist to serve the citizens. There can be no justification for banning devices that eliminate the hugely negative effects associated with smoking.

 

[kookycole]

I've mentioned this on another thread, but it's worth repeating. If you're sending out e-mails and you live in New York, include your full name and address. I think they may take it more seriously, and many of them will request this information anyway.

 

[JENerationX]

I've mentioned this on another thread, but it's worth repeating. If you're sending out e-mails and you live in New York, include your full name and address. I think they may take it more seriously, and many of them will request this information anyway.

Absolutely!

 

[FL Lori]

Bump, up up & away.

 

[yiddleboge6]

ATTENTION ALL VAPERS!! NEW YORK needs your HELP!!


We need to POUND the NY Senate with emails and phone calls ESPECIALLY Sen. HANNON so we can save lives and stop this bill from being passed..

Sen Hannon is in bed with the Tobacco Companies from what I heard from a friend that lives in New York..


Introduced by Sen. HANNON
BILL NUMBER:S7635

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to amend the public health law, in relation to prohibiting the sale of
electronic cigarettes


PURPOSE:

To prohibit the sale or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes.


SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:

Section one amends Public Health Law § 1399-aa to define an electronic
cigarette as a battery operated device that contains cartridges filled
with a combination of nicotine, flavor and chemicals that are turned
into vapor which is inhaled by the user.


Section two adds a section § 1399-11-2 to prohibit the sale or
offering for sale any electronic cigarette.


Section three provides that the act shall take effect on the first of
January succeeding its enactment.


JUSTIFICATION:= BS
Electronic cigarettes are products designed to deliver nicotine and
other substance to a use in the form of a vapor. They are typically
composed of a rechargeable, battery-operated heating element, a
replaceable cartridge that may contain nicotine or other chemicals,
and an atomizer that, when heated, converts the contents of the
cartridge into vapor.

In 2009, the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a press
release warning individuals about the safety of electronic
cigarettes. Their laboratory analysis revealed that some electronic
cigarettes contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene
glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze that is toxic to humans. In
February 2012, a 57 year old man reportedly suffered severe injuries
when an electronic cigarette exploded in his mouth.

S7635-2011 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Prohibits the sale or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes - New York State Senate


Here are there email addresses..
hannon@nysenate.gov, skelos@nysenate.gov, alesi@nysenate.gov, breslin@nysenate.gov, dilan@nysenate.gov, duane@nysenate.gov, farley@nysenate.gov, fuschill@nysenate.gov, hassellt@nysenate.gov, ojohnson@nysenate.gov, lkrueger@nysenate.gov, larkin@nysenate.gov, lavalle@nysenate.gov, senator@senatorlibous.com, marcelli@nysenate.gov, maziarz@nysenate.gov, montgome@nysenate.gov, nozzolio@nysenate.gov, parker@nysenate.gov, perkins@nysenate.gov, saland@nysenate.gov, sampson@nysenate.gov, seward@nysenate.gov, skelos@nysenate.gov, masmith@nysenate.gov, scousins@nysenate.gov


For more info..http://blog.casaa.org/2012/06/new-york-state-call-to-action.html

PLEASE PEOPLE WE NEED EVERYONE TO HELP!!!! GO TO THE LINK ABOVE!!

THANK YOU!!!

Bumping for visibility

 

[Skibadabomski]

I have been waiting for this to start. The electronic cig is growing at an alarming pace. It can go underground and it can be done alone. It can be homemade and they have very little chance of stopping it.

Prevent it by shoving bad reviews about it. Yes expect that.

Wait for the famous person to have something bad happen to them with e-cigs and it'll only segregate the opinions of it.

They'll do there best but they won't get help from the big boys. I'm talking about people above all of the mentioned here and the governments.
These are just the money grabbing low lives that collect the crumbs of plates where the elite have just shared a nice pie.

It's old hat. On it's way out. They have time to re-invest into new ways or go another direction. Some will fight for all sorts of laws to be implemented because they are scared. The people are finding there own ways of doing things and in huge numbers and they hate that.

The e-cig could of been made when batteries were first implemented and although I don't know the history of how it started I can be sure that it was held back. The Chinese are always good at breaking down these walls they put up. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were the first to bring it into the open to the disgust of many. But to the delight of people.

Anyway I have had my rant and I will study more on this and speak to a few friends that'll know a lot about this.

Thanks for the links and stuff.

SKi-