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LisaLisa

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Today, I've been informed that our private group isn't exactly private anymore. When ECF switched over to this new format a little while ago, a glitch happened. Angus is working on fixing it, but they don't know how long it will take.

In the meantime, anybody and everybody can read and post in our christian vapors group here. So, don't be surprised if you see some posts from non-members. Just be aware that all of ECF can read this forum for now, so just know that everything here in our forum is public for now until they fix it.

I just wanted everyone to be aware of that. If you have posted something of a personal nature, and want your post deleted, send me a PM and I'll take care of it.

I will let everyone know when this glitch is fixed.
 
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LisaLisa

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LisaLisa: I'm glad you explained the glitch. A few posts did sound odd. Maybe it's God giving us a few divine appointments with non-christians. It's all good (Ro. 8:28)

You just never know, He does work in mysterious ways! Maybe it really is a good thing, I need to learn not to judge things so quickly. :)
 
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IndieVisible

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Are agnostic Christians welcome too or does one have to meet a certain criteria to be considered a "Christian"?

By that I mean that in every Christian forum I ever visited, there are always some who like to question a person's Christian state, or actually define it for them. I am so not in to organized religion, but am of the mix of agnostic Christian.
 

LisaLisa

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Are agnostic Christians welcome too or does one have to meet a certain criteria to be considered a "Christian"?

By that I mean that in every Christian forum I ever visited, there are always some who like to question a person's Christian state, or actually define it for them. I am so not in to organized religion, but am of the mix of agnostic Christian.

What is an agnostic christian? I've never heard of that before. Please explain, I"m curious.
 

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Yep, that combination puzzles me as well. An agnostic is one who believes in a supreme being but has no idea who or what that supreme being is. A Christian is a person who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. They believe in Almighty God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.....the Trinity. You have my interest peeked.
 

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An agnostic Christian is simply a honest open minded Christian who understands that the bible is not infallable as it was written by men. Religion created by men. An agnostic is of the opinion no one can really be absolutely sure, therefor creeds and dogma is not as important. A Christian agnostic is simply a agnostic who identifies closer to the actual values and teaching from Chrsitianity minus the dogma. No Christian litmus test required. True understanding of God who/what is infinite is beyond our limited capacity to fully understand, enter religion that attempts the impossible.

I also embrace science equally as it testifies to God's brilliance in many ways. In other words I do not accept the short order creation story which I consider a fable and severely limits GOD. :)
 
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angelique510

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Let us use C.S Lewis' definition of Christian. I can't find it in text right now - but here is a link to a podcast. Apologetics 315: Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis MP3 It is in his introduction. (If you haven't read Mere Christianity - it is a must read) According to Lewis, a Christian is someone who says that they believe Jesus is the son of God, and died for our sins. Whether they actually believe it or not, only God knows. Whether they act like a "good Christian" or not, doesn't matter. None of us are really good, anyways. Whether or not they hold to any particular dogma or attend a church is incidental.

I am guessing that is what IndieVisable means. (Sorry if I am wrong) Going by strict dictionary definitions, agnostic means "without knowledge." So my guess is that he doesn't know which denomination is the right one and doesn't go to any church service. I know several of us here do not belong to a church. I only started going to one a little while ago, myself, even though I accepted Christ four years ago.

I say we welcome anyone who wants to come here. I don't care if they were sacrificing goats to Cthulu ten minutes ago, if they say they believe and accept Jesus' sacrifice now, then they are a brother or sister in Christ.

~A
 
IndieVisible, you wrote:
"An agnostic Christian is simply a honest open minded Christian..."
Honesty & teachability are admirable traits for members of any group.

"...who understands that the bible is not infallable as it was written by men. Religion created by men. An agnostic is of the opinion no one can really be absolutely sure, therefor creeds and dogma is not as important..."
Honestly stated, this means you don't always have to believe the Bible. Christ says scripture is infallible (Jn 10:35), and the Bible declares itself so, repeatedly. Dogma is what it's about. Example:
"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." (2 Pet 1:20-21)
If you don't choose to believe what christians believe, you have that right. Saying you're a christian isn't all that's needed to meet the definition of one. Christians believe the Bible is God's word and God's word is infallible.

"...A Christian agnostic is simply a agnostic who identifies closer to the actual values and teaching from Chrsitianity minus the dogma. No Christian litmus test required. True understanding of God who/what is infinite is beyond our limited capacity to fully understand, enter religion that attempts the impossible..."
Jesus did the impossible all the time. He said He's the only one who can explain God (Jn 1:18).

"...I also embrace science equally as it testifies to God's brilliance in many ways. In other words I do not accept the short order creation story which I consider a fable and severely limits GOD..."
I also embrace science. Some have misdefined, or been confused by it, but it offers many proofs of the literal interpretation of the Bible. One example of scientific bias proven incorrect can be found at Channeled scablands - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science. Actually, disbelieving God created the universe in 6 days limits Him, as famed geologist Harlen Bretz learned.

I respect anyone's right to believe anything and label it whatever they choose. There'll be many like that when Christ returns that He'll tell "I never knew you" (Mt 7:23). They were never christians.

So why would anyone want to be part of a group which they disagree with? (Am 3:3) The purpose of a private group is to encourage and remain civil. I've disagreed with members of this group politely, and I think some agnostic (unsure) persons could do that. Unfortunately, others can't contain their desire to argue and demean.

IndieVisible: it's LisaLisa's call, but I say, if you can be nice, stick around. If you're a hater, outside is the group for you.
 
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