"Exclude the Bible and all we have is 'logical' people's opinions "
Whoa, that's really a load of stuff. Do you really think that anyone had a Bible in the early church? Do you really think that even 500 years ago, roughly, when the KJV was written that anyone had a Bible or if they did, knew how to read it? The Word of God is written on our hearts, by the Holy Spirit. Exclude the Bible and we'd certainly have less to work with. But without the Spirit, the Bible is distorted and convoluted, and frequently used for evil. There are millions of Christians existing now and even more in the past that held on to their faith just fine, without a copy of the Bible in their home. I'll repeat myself. The Bible is awesome, but God never intended us to worship the creation rather than the Creator. If what you say "all we have is logical people's opinions" were true, then it is true even WITH the Bible. We are NOT alone. We have the Spirit of God living inside us to lead us into truth.... with or without the Bible. The living word of Christ was originally moved throughout the region by the word of their testimony, verbally, not by written.
My original post had nothing to do with whether or not the Bible was true. All of your scriptures are accompanied by the assumption that the Bible is the word of God and is infallible. However, you made the statement that someone who does not believe the Bible is infallible, cannot be a Christian. And you used scripture to try to convince someone that the Bible is infallible. I have no problem with your belief and your right to believe it. What I am saying is that your argument is a fallacy. You can't convince someone that the Bible is infallible by quoting scripture. They won't believe it because the Bible is not truth to them.
And you certainly can't judge someone as NOT being a believer in Christ if they don't believe in the Bible. (well I guess you can but shouldn't) One can believe in Christ easily without seeing or reading it in the Bible. Almost the entire early church believed because it was spoken from personal testimony followed by evidence of the Spirit. BTW all of the scriptures that you referred to were written about the spoken word. Not one of them had anything to say about the written word. There are others that do, but not those, how can you keep quoting scriptures about something that doesn't mean what you say it means.
My point is.. if you are going to try to prove a point, use good solid logic. Not trying to prove a conclusion based on a scripture that doesn't necessarily apply to your argument. That's called a false premise. You are so sensitive about proving that the Bible is infallible, that you fail to see that your arguments are flawed and your judgements inconsistent with the Bible that you are quoting.
Again... On Topic... we are talking about refusing to allow someone in this thread to call themselves a Christian just because they don't think the Bible is infallible.
"HyOnLyph: You don't have to define anything, until you actually teach Jesus."
If your inference is to say that I'm not teaching Christ....
Yeah, kinda figured you'd eventually take it this way. Have a nice day!
Whoa, that's really a load of stuff. Do you really think that anyone had a Bible in the early church? Do you really think that even 500 years ago, roughly, when the KJV was written that anyone had a Bible or if they did, knew how to read it? The Word of God is written on our hearts, by the Holy Spirit. Exclude the Bible and we'd certainly have less to work with. But without the Spirit, the Bible is distorted and convoluted, and frequently used for evil. There are millions of Christians existing now and even more in the past that held on to their faith just fine, without a copy of the Bible in their home. I'll repeat myself. The Bible is awesome, but God never intended us to worship the creation rather than the Creator. If what you say "all we have is logical people's opinions" were true, then it is true even WITH the Bible. We are NOT alone. We have the Spirit of God living inside us to lead us into truth.... with or without the Bible. The living word of Christ was originally moved throughout the region by the word of their testimony, verbally, not by written.
My original post had nothing to do with whether or not the Bible was true. All of your scriptures are accompanied by the assumption that the Bible is the word of God and is infallible. However, you made the statement that someone who does not believe the Bible is infallible, cannot be a Christian. And you used scripture to try to convince someone that the Bible is infallible. I have no problem with your belief and your right to believe it. What I am saying is that your argument is a fallacy. You can't convince someone that the Bible is infallible by quoting scripture. They won't believe it because the Bible is not truth to them.
And you certainly can't judge someone as NOT being a believer in Christ if they don't believe in the Bible. (well I guess you can but shouldn't) One can believe in Christ easily without seeing or reading it in the Bible. Almost the entire early church believed because it was spoken from personal testimony followed by evidence of the Spirit. BTW all of the scriptures that you referred to were written about the spoken word. Not one of them had anything to say about the written word. There are others that do, but not those, how can you keep quoting scriptures about something that doesn't mean what you say it means.
My point is.. if you are going to try to prove a point, use good solid logic. Not trying to prove a conclusion based on a scripture that doesn't necessarily apply to your argument. That's called a false premise. You are so sensitive about proving that the Bible is infallible, that you fail to see that your arguments are flawed and your judgements inconsistent with the Bible that you are quoting.
Again... On Topic... we are talking about refusing to allow someone in this thread to call themselves a Christian just because they don't think the Bible is infallible.
"HyOnLyph: You don't have to define anything, until you actually teach Jesus."
If your inference is to say that I'm not teaching Christ....
Yeah, kinda figured you'd eventually take it this way. Have a nice day!
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