And I give you major props for NOT proposing lies and deceit as a way to break the law. Keep up the good work. The world is watching ...
Australian ban; Egar illegal
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As far as swabbing for nicotine at customs... I don't believe they could do this. I think it would come out positive every time someone who smokes cigarettes touches a package. So they would have to deal with more false positives than would be feasible.
I am unfamiliar with the way the Australian government exactly works but couldnt you bug the hell out of your local Parliament representative until they do something? If they cant do something maybe they can point you in the right direction. It's just a thought.
That would require them to actually respond to correspondence
We're trying, it just takes time.
Nice, I have sent an e-mail as well just to reinforce the objection to the ban. I have just discovered vaping and refuse to have it fall victim to some political bull.
There are no guarantees, but this seems to be how it's working.
I am new here but have read through the forums before. I am more than a little disappointed with the govt ignorance in terms of the e-cig and would like My chance to give up 'cancer sticks' by whatever means I choose.
That being said, I have noted the attempts to get attention from the govt departments and have a suggestion.....
Smoking is banned in casinos...this being the case, gamblers need to leave their place and stop gambling to go and have a cigarette, thus resulting in something the casino does not like...not gambling and not buying drinks while you are outside....
A similar thing relates to bars/hotels and nightclubs...if people have to go outside (and cant take drinks with them) then they are not drinking etc and thus the establishment is losing revenue...the pokies...how many smokers play those?? BUUUT, again, they need to leave the machine to have a smoke....resulting in...loss of revenue...and Australia has around 20% of the entire WORLDS population of pokie machines.
I will get to the point....if those sort of business entities were to get behind the implementation of the e-cig, then I think the govt would be forced to pay attention. The casinos provide a very large amount of cash to the govt, imagine if they could increase this by not only allowing e-cigs inside, but selling them also....same goes for the other things I mentioned. All these places are over 18/21 only, so the worry of children buying them is practically zero. Even if they sold the disposable ones, it would be a foot in.
Now I know my idea is not directed at the health or giving up aspect, but it is directed at something the govt will pay attention to...tax $$ and lots of them.
Just a thought, happy to hear opinions whether for or against my suggestion
That being said, I have noted the attempts to get attention from the govt departments and have a suggestion.....
Smoking is banned in casinos...this being the case, gamblers need to leave their place and stop gambling to go and have a cigarette, thus resulting in something the casino does not like...not gambling and not buying drinks while you are outside....
A similar thing relates to bars/hotels and nightclubs...if people have to go outside (and cant take drinks with them) then they are not drinking etc and thus the establishment is losing revenue...the pokies...how many smokers play those?? BUUUT, again, they need to leave the machine to have a smoke....resulting in...loss of revenue...and Australia has around 20% of the entire WORLDS population of pokie machines.
I will get to the point....if those sort of business entities were to get behind the implementation of the e-cig, then I think the govt would be forced to pay attention. The casinos provide a very large amount of cash to the govt, imagine if they could increase this by not only allowing e-cigs inside, but selling them also....same goes for the other things I mentioned. All these places are over 18/21 only, so the worry of children buying them is practically zero. Even if they sold the disposable ones, it would be a foot in.
Now I know my idea is not directed at the health or giving up aspect, but it is directed at something the govt will pay attention to...tax $$ and lots of them.
Just a thought, happy to hear opinions whether for or against my suggestion
I will pass this idea on to my friend
who will be aussie supplier soon.
Di ........
who will be aussie supplier soon.
Di ........
That's one of the best suggestions I've heard. Unfortunately, this is exactly the sort of thing that would work in Australia. Especially on a state level (which is where the nicotine is banned). By 'unfortunately', I mean it's unfortunate that the states are influenced so heavily by the gambling industry, but we might as well use that to our advantage.
It is a bit sad, but it came to mind....a friend of mine was running a Pub in Toowoomba when the smoking ban came into effect. Over the first 6 months he said they had around a 35-40% downturn in the public bar. That is a pretty big hole in anyone's language.
I am pretty sure there were reports generated by various pubs, clubs, organisations etc stating the amount their businesses had gone/would go down due to the ban prior to and for a while after the ban went into effect....I am sure it would be around somewhere on the net.
There is many angles for the health thing also...such as pointing out what a HUGE burden smokers put on the health system as per the governments own census info...or that on the cancer council site...even if they did NOT tax e-cigs, they (Govt) would be in the black by BILLIONS of $ per year just in reduced demand on healthcare facilities.
I know you probably all know this stuff anyway, but thanks for letting me vent
Check out the cancer council site and the census site....(would not let me post the addys because I am a newbie here lol)
Some interesting stats on those sites regarding costs, savings, how many, how much etc....
I am pretty sure there were reports generated by various pubs, clubs, organisations etc stating the amount their businesses had gone/would go down due to the ban prior to and for a while after the ban went into effect....I am sure it would be around somewhere on the net.
There is many angles for the health thing also...such as pointing out what a HUGE burden smokers put on the health system as per the governments own census info...or that on the cancer council site...even if they did NOT tax e-cigs, they (Govt) would be in the black by BILLIONS of $ per year just in reduced demand on healthcare facilities.
I know you probably all know this stuff anyway, but thanks for letting me vent
Check out the cancer council site and the census site....(would not let me post the addys because I am a newbie here lol)
Some interesting stats on those sites regarding costs, savings, how many, how much etc....
A little help please? I'm coming to Oz in about a month from the US for a 2 week Holiday. I bought a 'personal vaporizer' specifically for the 14 hour plane flight.
After reading most of this thread, I'm a bit concerned that my equipment may be confiscated at customs! Has there been any news stories about that happening???
After reading most of this thread, I'm a bit concerned that my equipment may be confiscated at customs! Has there been any news stories about that happening???
As far as I know, customs at Australian airports don't have the facilities to test if a substance contains nicotine, so methinks you should be ok. If they ask you what it is, tell them it's just PG/flavouring.
You might have better luck with ACSH. They are pro reduced risk and have the medical resources to investigate pertinent issues. I believe they are referenced as: Dr. Whelan and her Council of 380 scientists. Loads of Antis there, just not as rabid.
I thought it might be of interest to my fellow Aussies what happened to me today...
As a e-cig Newbie, I had ordered a couple of 901's, fixings, and 5 x 20ml bottles of 18mg e-juice from eastmall in China.
Needless to say, I was concerned about doing my dosh.
My package arrived today, with a note inside from Australian Customs stating "Opened for Inspection," and "No items have been removed by Customs."
They had a good "sticky beak' with obvious plastics and cardboard opening/tampering.
Don't know if the Customs agent was a sympathetic smoker, was instructed to go lightly, or it was my lucky day.
Laws are sometimes made to satisfy certain lobbyists, and ignored in their application.
I'm stoked. Several hours of e-smoking convinces me it was a worthwhile purchase.
As a e-cig Newbie, I had ordered a couple of 901's, fixings, and 5 x 20ml bottles of 18mg e-juice from eastmall in China.
Needless to say, I was concerned about doing my dosh.
My package arrived today, with a note inside from Australian Customs stating "Opened for Inspection," and "No items have been removed by Customs."
They had a good "sticky beak' with obvious plastics and cardboard opening/tampering.
Don't know if the Customs agent was a sympathetic smoker, was instructed to go lightly, or it was my lucky day.
Laws are sometimes made to satisfy certain lobbyists, and ignored in their application.
I'm stoked. Several hours of e-smoking convinces me it was a worthwhile purchase.
several of us aussies have been lucky with our imports of both hardware and juice,
however, the way to go here is small orders for personal use,
and quietly,
we don't want to wake the sleeping baby........
Di ........
however, the way to go here is small orders for personal use,
and quietly,
we don't want to wake the sleeping baby........
Di ........
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