Australian ban; Egar illegal
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Jamesd, what you said is very funny and very true. Fahrenheit 451 is moving to the NON-fiction section.
Just for what it's worth Jack: Belgium was the first to ban the e-cigs; and that happened near to a year ago... now the next, australia, is happening. Not saying that the next one will take just as long as between these two - but I wouldn't worry áll too much about a few weeks or a month before you can stock up (easily said, I know... I was in your exact position when Belgium, my neighbour-country, banned them... and boy was I worried for a long time about not being able to stock enough in time - heck, I still feel that need, to get more in, even with a decent stock allready - just in case...).
And I do think we need to really look seriously into making our own liquid ánd our own atomizers ... these are the two things still missing to be able to be self-reliant in the longer term when the time comes that this might be needed. This wouldn't put the suppliers out of business... I think tons of people won't go to the trouble of making things themselves as long as there is no dire need to do so... but I also think we ALL want 'to be able to' for when the need dóes arise.
And I do think we need to really look seriously into making our own liquid ánd our own atomizers ... these are the two things still missing to be able to be self-reliant in the longer term when the time comes that this might be needed. This wouldn't put the suppliers out of business... I think tons of people won't go to the trouble of making things themselves as long as there is no dire need to do so... but I also think we ALL want 'to be able to' for when the need dóes arise.
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I fear citizen complaints about this will get nowhere. It's time to call up a Big Gun.
In nearby New Zealand, you have the biggest gun in the e-smoking world: Dr. Murray Laugesen, head of Health New Zealand, which has been conducting e-smoking clinical trials for Ruyan for a year now. It's his reports we depend on to assure the safety of what we're doing.
We need him to argue why use of nicotine in inhalation devices should not only be allowed, but encouraged. From my dealings with him, I think he believes that to be true.
He needs to say that millions of Australians are addicted to nicotine. It is a highly addictive chemical and most users obtain it from burning tobacco and inhaling the smoke. Along with the smoke, they take in numerous carcinogenic chemicals that are produced when tobacco is combusted. That doesn't have to be their only option when vaporizing nicotine is considered.
He needs to say that nicotine does have some health consequences, not all of them bad. It has not been shown to trigger heart attacks in healthy humans. Its impacts are no worse than other, legal stimulants. On the positive side, it has been used to treat ADHD, dementia and Parkinson's Disease.
He needs to say that nicotine derived from vapor is certainly no more dangerous than nicotine derived from smoking tobacco. In fact, studies show each inhalation of vapor contains only one-fifth the nicotine of a similar cigarette puff. The net result of inhaling nicotine this way would surely be a savings in health costs and years added to smokers' lives.
He needs to say that so-called electric cigarettes can be used in any environment, since they produce no fire or spark. They produce no second-hand smoke, and the exhaled vapor has been tested to show no substances that could irritate anyone nearby.
He needs to say present nicotine-replacement therapies are ineffective for the vast majority of smokers using them to attempt quitting. Vapor devices replace both habit and addiction, offering users an effective and likely safe alternative to "quit or die."
He needs to say the world needs a nicotine delivery system that can be sustained indefinitely. Many smokers find it difficult or impossible to quit, so they continue the harmful practice of inhaling tobacco smoke. Present NRT products are not advised for long-term use. Vaporizing nicotine gives smokers a better choice for long-term use.
He needs to ask for time to study this further, for a suspension of the order while those studies are underway, so that those now vaporizing nicotine can continue to use what many have found to be a better way of obtaining addictive nicotine.
These arguments might not help. But only a voice as expert as his can have a hope of being seriously considered. You're a citizen of Australia, Trumpy. Send this to Dr. Laugesen at the email address on Health New Zealand's Web site. Ask him to lend his expertise to this smoking alternative. There is a possibility he is not aware of the new ban.
In nearby New Zealand, you have the biggest gun in the e-smoking world: Dr. Murray Laugesen, head of Health New Zealand, which has been conducting e-smoking clinical trials for Ruyan for a year now. It's his reports we depend on to assure the safety of what we're doing.
We need him to argue why use of nicotine in inhalation devices should not only be allowed, but encouraged. From my dealings with him, I think he believes that to be true.
He needs to say that millions of Australians are addicted to nicotine. It is a highly addictive chemical and most users obtain it from burning tobacco and inhaling the smoke. Along with the smoke, they take in numerous carcinogenic chemicals that are produced when tobacco is combusted. That doesn't have to be their only option when vaporizing nicotine is considered.
He needs to say that nicotine does have some health consequences, not all of them bad. It has not been shown to trigger heart attacks in healthy humans. Its impacts are no worse than other, legal stimulants. On the positive side, it has been used to treat ADHD, dementia and Parkinson's Disease.
He needs to say that nicotine derived from vapor is certainly no more dangerous than nicotine derived from smoking tobacco. In fact, studies show each inhalation of vapor contains only one-fifth the nicotine of a similar cigarette puff. The net result of inhaling nicotine this way would surely be a savings in health costs and years added to smokers' lives.
He needs to say that so-called electric cigarettes can be used in any environment, since they produce no fire or spark. They produce no second-hand smoke, and the exhaled vapor has been tested to show no substances that could irritate anyone nearby.
He needs to say present nicotine-replacement therapies are ineffective for the vast majority of smokers using them to attempt quitting. Vapor devices replace both habit and addiction, offering users an effective and likely safe alternative to "quit or die."
He needs to say the world needs a nicotine delivery system that can be sustained indefinitely. Many smokers find it difficult or impossible to quit, so they continue the harmful practice of inhaling tobacco smoke. Present NRT products are not advised for long-term use. Vaporizing nicotine gives smokers a better choice for long-term use.
He needs to ask for time to study this further, for a suspension of the order while those studies are underway, so that those now vaporizing nicotine can continue to use what many have found to be a better way of obtaining addictive nicotine.
These arguments might not help. But only a voice as expert as his can have a hope of being seriously considered. You're a citizen of Australia, Trumpy. Send this to Dr. Laugesen at the email address on Health New Zealand's Web site. Ask him to lend his expertise to this smoking alternative. There is a possibility he is not aware of the new ban.
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Gday JamesD, mate our freedom was won, and paid for with American Blood! If it were not for our cousins in the USA taking on the British establishment we here in Australia would still have British soldiers (Rum Runners) walk around. The British fearing it would all happen again and could not afford another war, so they came to the plan where they allowed us to govern our self kinda! Now I am tell you all if it happen in this part of the empire it sure in the hell will happen in you country. It always go hand in hand, I never really though or took much notice, but for some reason countries have the same problem, reaction, solution with in days or months of each other. I dont know why but for some reason when it hits the fan it splats all over! Look at pit bulls; with in a 3-month span suddenly problem Australia, Uk, America had violent attacks. Reaction, media sold us on how bad it was and all of our children where at risk of have their body ripped apart. Solution, regulate breeders and have all neighbors reports this breed and other danger dogs to local authorities to insure dog registration. Now all dogs are enforced by our neighbors to be regressed. Now that all dogs are no children get ripped apart. Now a police office with in the tactical response group said before a breach or even act upon a search warrant of a personal home they look on the firearms register and the dog register for any threats to officers then said we must learn from another pass problems from all over the world and went on to say if it was not for that f***en Weavers dog the job would have been done easy. Now whats going on? I believe we will NEVER get e-cigarettes back! Why? Because they know that A, we will make our own juice. B, we will make our own power source. C, we will make our own atomizers. It all ends up in an uncontrollable situation that cannot be taxed. If it were a danger, the carts and juice would be banned. But now the hole thing is, and if you live in a small town, and most know of your e-cigarette and here how bad it is, how long to do you think you can keep going? With out any question cigarettes will send most to any early grave, but the government did not just ban them, only e-cigarettes, to protect our safety? Our safety is the last things any government cares about, as NO recorded deaths have been filed in Australia from the use of e-cigarettes but thousands of tobacco related deaths are reported from tobacco. But really the Government does not care as we are good slaves and chase that carrot we work hard in our younger days, fight wars for them killing each other for most of the time a reason when pondered about makes no real good reason at all. So we die young so what, we worked hard and really the sooner that old slow slave dies the better of financial the government will be. Like a pig breed said to me yes that boar was nice and peaceful boar I have ever own, the kids love him but why keep feeding him if he cant impregnate the girls? So he was shot! So keep working hard and paying tax guys! Iam sorry guys but you will never get them back, and you other countries will have them taken away soon. Well I will of course loss this battle but I tell you one thing I am going to make some F***ing fuses over it before I run out of money fighting them. This slave will not be flogged any more. So up yours you government pigs! See ya in court, oh and the Vic government stuffed up! They jumped the gun to soon, all other states have not banned anything as until we become a republic in two years we are still under the Westminster law and yes they have broken the law, but they will tie it up in court for two years and becoming a republic will save their ... and kill my law suit. Oh and I just got a pouch of tobacco and rolled a cig, damm it feels good but it hurts like hell know them bustards are killing me faster for money! 2 ½ months smoke free until 1/1/09
Mark
Mark
I am amazed they can actually get away with moving so quickly on this. In the US I'm pretty sure regulatory agencies have to give advance notice, precisely to prevent problems like the poster who got caught with an order in shipment.
Ok, stop with the emails and phone calls guys I will post it here.
Its illegal for governments to turn a person that is in good standing into a criminal buy changing laws of lawful ownership with out notice, a 7 day notice, and with out registered receipt being issued and disposable quarantine area and recorded intake and disposable manifest must be taken.
So my suit will be something on the grounds of yes you made it illegal to have but offered me no safe way to surrender it, witch makes me criminal. I cannot depose of it in any way as that is a crime, and I cant have in my person. This is illegal to do under our rule of law!
So eat S**t you government pigs. But of course this system will get thrown out when we become a republic and all lawsuits containing to this government will be done. Thats why Kevin Rude LOL said sorry. The lawsuits of the stolen generation will never get in to the new system.
I smashed my 901 and posted it to a government person before the ban yesterday! So I am safe but I had to use self-help, so its still stands they tired to make a man in good standing a criminal by the changing of a law with out the means being offered to the person to apply with the law requirements. Like the firearms act, they banned semi autos what would have happen if they did the same to that ban? What you need to get rid of the gun by you own means? NOT!!!! I have been told its a 99% win if we had time and no republic coming. But I will know more after I see a QC on Friday.
Mark
Its illegal for governments to turn a person that is in good standing into a criminal buy changing laws of lawful ownership with out notice, a 7 day notice, and with out registered receipt being issued and disposable quarantine area and recorded intake and disposable manifest must be taken.
So my suit will be something on the grounds of yes you made it illegal to have but offered me no safe way to surrender it, witch makes me criminal. I cannot depose of it in any way as that is a crime, and I cant have in my person. This is illegal to do under our rule of law!
So eat S**t you government pigs. But of course this system will get thrown out when we become a republic and all lawsuits containing to this government will be done. Thats why Kevin Rude LOL said sorry. The lawsuits of the stolen generation will never get in to the new system.
I smashed my 901 and posted it to a government person before the ban yesterday! So I am safe but I had to use self-help, so its still stands they tired to make a man in good standing a criminal by the changing of a law with out the means being offered to the person to apply with the law requirements. Like the firearms act, they banned semi autos what would have happen if they did the same to that ban? What you need to get rid of the gun by you own means? NOT!!!! I have been told its a 99% win if we had time and no republic coming. But I will know more after I see a QC on Friday.
Mark
Bet you never thought you'd become point man for the e-smoking war! Keep posting reports from the front and good luck, soldier.
I am actually embarrassed to be an Australian right now.....I used to be so proud, but with rights stripped overnight because pockets weren't getting properly lined......makes me sick.
I will now be fighting not to return to my post as a tobacco slave, and am worrying about what will happen when my E-cigs, batteries, and atomizers die and my liquids run dry......will I start smoking again? Probably. Will Mr Health Minister care?????
I will now be fighting not to return to my post as a tobacco slave, and am worrying about what will happen when my E-cigs, batteries, and atomizers die and my liquids run dry......will I start smoking again? Probably. Will Mr Health Minister care?????
Never feel embarrassed for being an Aussie, Phoenix.
Our country has a long tradition of fighting oppression...but sadly I feel the current crop of Aussies might not be up to the task, any Govt these days relies on apathy as its best friend...it is that shame they make you feel that is their best weapon against us nowadays!!! Be ...... off and DO something about it that's the Eureka and Anzac spirit, even if the fight seems unwinnable , sometime you surprise even yourself
Our country has a long tradition of fighting oppression...but sadly I feel the current crop of Aussies might not be up to the task, any Govt these days relies on apathy as its best friend...it is that shame they make you feel that is their best weapon against us nowadays!!! Be ...... off and DO something about it that's the Eureka and Anzac spirit, even if the fight seems unwinnable , sometime you surprise even yourself
I'm happy to keep vaping, I got in a small order for more liquids which will run out eventually. At that stage I will order from overseas. If my orders are stopped or confiscated I will order again. If I get fined I will not pay the fine. If I get taken to court, I will clearly state on the record why I choose to inhale a "class 7 substance" illegitimately over the legitimate method.
They have no right to do this, I will not be forced to expose myself to a more dangerous method of sustaining my addiction just to satisfy their tax addiction.
We all know why this is happening and it's not to protect us from dangerous substances.
They have no right to do this, I will not be forced to expose myself to a more dangerous method of sustaining my addiction just to satisfy their tax addiction.
We all know why this is happening and it's not to protect us from dangerous substances.
Blood Oath mate! Get mad Phoenix and stand up for whats right and always be proud of yourself and your mates. I know how you feel but them pigs know whats being said here, so every aussie keep speaking up! We will give it to them, win or lose in court or what ever you do in life, if you are in the right or its the right thing to do, take it on! Go Phoenix Go Phoenix Go Phoenix Go Phoenix
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Thanks guys! I'm so fired up over all this crap, I refuse to give up vaping in exchange for a taxable death sentence!
I'm with you Solution, I will make my orders and if they don't make it to my door step I wont fret (or pay any fines either!) I will try and eke out my existing supply by toning down with glycerine, and will try and develop a liking for my questionable no nic "home brews"....lol
I'm with you Solution, I will make my orders and if they don't make it to my door step I wont fret (or pay any fines either!) I will try and eke out my existing supply by toning down with glycerine, and will try and develop a liking for my questionable no nic "home brews"....lol
Once a happy aussie vaping in his living room
Under the shade of his constitutional rights,
And he vaped as he watched and waited till new years to come,
Who'll still be selling e-juice in the new year?
Down came a government nazi to interfere,
Up jumped aussie and slapped him with glee,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
"You'll come playing around with me?"
Who'll come a playing, Who'll come a playing,
You'll come a playing bull**** games with me,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
You'll never try that bull**** with me.
Up rode the premier mounted on his thoroughbred,
Down came the military police, one, two, three,
Who owns that 901 that you have in your tuckerbag,
"Youll come a travelling along with me!"
Who'll come a travelling, Who'll come a travelling,
You'll come a travelling and pay your tax to me,
Who owns that 901 that you have in your tuckerbag,
"You'll come a travelling along with me!"
Up jumped the aussie and dived into the billabong,
You'll never catch me alive, said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You'll come a vaping along with me!"
Who'll come a playing, Who'll come a playing,
You'll come a playing bull**** games with me,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
You'll never try that bull**** with me.
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You'll come a vaping along with me!"
Under the shade of his constitutional rights,
And he vaped as he watched and waited till new years to come,
Who'll still be selling e-juice in the new year?
Down came a government nazi to interfere,
Up jumped aussie and slapped him with glee,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
"You'll come playing around with me?"
Who'll come a playing, Who'll come a playing,
You'll come a playing bull**** games with me,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
You'll never try that bull**** with me.
Up rode the premier mounted on his thoroughbred,
Down came the military police, one, two, three,
Who owns that 901 that you have in your tuckerbag,
"Youll come a travelling along with me!"
Who'll come a travelling, Who'll come a travelling,
You'll come a travelling and pay your tax to me,
Who owns that 901 that you have in your tuckerbag,
"You'll come a travelling along with me!"
Up jumped the aussie and dived into the billabong,
You'll never catch me alive, said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You'll come a vaping along with me!"
Who'll come a playing, Who'll come a playing,
You'll come a playing bull**** games with me,
And he sang as he shoved his foot right in the government pig,
You'll never try that bull**** with me.
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You'll come a vaping along with me!"
Wow it's great to see people from the same country cheering up eachother, in my case it seems to me i'm alone in this issue, i will keep traying to order from anywhere they are willing to sell me (only china i guess), but in my country the fine could be from USD$5,000 to USD$20,000 maybe is the right time to switch country...
New amendment to our national anthom;
Australians all let us remorse,
For we are in captivity;
With golden soil and wealth for some,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Where?
In joyful strains let us all sing,
"Advance Australia Where?"
Australians all let us remorse,
For we are in captivity;
With golden soil and wealth for some,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Where?
In joyful strains let us all sing,
"Advance Australia Where?"
Dodomark: I sure hope you've forwarded these anthem amendments to the "appropriate' officials who REALLY need to hear them.....they've needed an upgrade for some time....lol
I'd be happy to learn the lyrics and belt them out at Parliament House
I'd be happy to learn the lyrics and belt them out at Parliament House
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