If you take the internals out of a regulated PV and put it in another body does that make it a clone or just a modified version. I'm asking because I came across this and I've seen it done to others as well. I think I'd them modified.
Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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I liked your post because the where you are planted statement. I think I understand where your coming with that and if so I do agree with you.
I happen to be American, I grew up saying this every morning in school,
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
So my ideas of right are going to be biased by what favors my country.
Maybe I'll just refer to my stuff as clones too, all the cool kids are doing it...
Maurice
There's definitely some cool things coming out of the Philippines, and you guys pretty much invented subohm dual coil dripping.... But the only "high end" mods I've had to return due to bad machining and other jacked up issues were made in the Philippines. I had to return a grand vapor private v2 for a number of issues, a trident v1 for jacked up threading, a Chris creations novice for a bad switch, a nimbus for crooked drilled posts, and a squier hybrid dripper for a god offal amount of issues to long to even list.
I now do not buy any vape gear made from the Philippines, the QA on most of it is barely above China a majority of the times. That's why on mod trader a bunch of posts say "will entertain trades... no pinoy gear though".
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Hi Gummy Bare, it's funny that I have never heard of the mods you mentioned. I have a vicious ant cyclone and kraken and ATB box mod Everine I know have no issues with it. I have only been vaping for about 2 months but my friends have been vaping for years on the same setup. I'll ask around about those brands and probably steer clear of them. I guess warranties will be hard since you are far away from here.
But, with the average wage in the Philippines at about 450 pesos per day (Manila) and about 350 pesos per day (outside Manila), the prices for Pinoy mods should be cheaper than what I have seen.
Ron,
Bacolod City
I agree Fit Simulation and how I wish they were cheaper. I spent an arm and a leg for my first gear but it is what it is. At least I have no issues or regrets with my gear and still cigarette free.
Great! ... and good luck to you
You know what I miss most about the Philippines? .... That great San Miguel beer!
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Leaving the beer in the Philippines is not so bad but you left your wife here as well?
No, she lives here in Florida with me ... We were together in the Philippines for 5 years before moving here to the US 3 years ago.
The Harley Sportster 1200R we had in Bacolod City ... Maybe the one other thing I still miss in the Philippines.
My wife was actually afraid to ride on it ...
The Harley Sportster 1200R we had in Bacolod City ... Maybe the one other thing I still miss in the Philippines.
My wife was actually afraid to ride on it ...
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Nice man, good to see new vapers around. I'm glad your liking the gear you picked up. There's nothing better than loving the vape gear you got... Keeps us away from cigarettes.
I've been messing with vape gear for quite some time on and off, 3 years hardcore now vaping cigg free. the pinoy products I mentioned have been far out dated to someone that's been vaping for only 2 months. Vicious Ant makes good stuff for sure, I got a legit cyclone as well.
I'm sure I'll own another pinoy mod or atty some day... I'll just be far more picky and do more research before buying. No more grabbing first run products, I'll let other test them for months and see the results first before jumping in. I did get returns on all the high end pinoy stuff I got... The company's were good in that sense. Some had the same old issues again and again, others were just a fluke and have been fairly solid since. I've got some other pinoy stuff I didn't mention as well, like the immortalizer atty and mini PISCES-M mod (14500 mod), which ain't to bad... But dated as this industry moves so fast.
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No, she lives here in Florida with me ... We were together in the Philippines for 5 years before moving here to the US 3 years ago.
The Harley Sportster 1200R we had in Bacolod City ... Maybe the one other thing I still miss in the Philippines.
My wife was actually afraid to ride on it ...
nice bike, heres my baby
2011 XR1200x
Can anyone from the pro-clone crowd explain to me what would be wrong with imitating original logos on an original device? I'm yet to see that explained in this thread. If it is sold as "clone" then I'm unclear why the pro-clone crowd appears to draw this arbitrary line.
I'd like to know this as well, how exactly is one aspect of a design safe but another not?
I'd like to also see how both the pro and anti-clone groups see scale adjustments. Say a popular RDA in 14XXX, 18XXX, and 26XXX scales.
Maurice
From the OP: "its 100% obvious these authentic makers were never in it to save lives or help anybody only to line their own pockets."
You or anyone else will never convince me that there is anything wrong with someone wanting to "line their own pockets". Especially since if you had the opportunity to line your pockets you would do the same thing. That is, unless you are a complete, anti-capitalist/anti-profit socialist. In which case, we'd never see invention to argue about this topic in the first place.
You or anyone else will never convince me that there is anything wrong with someone wanting to "line their own pockets". Especially since if you had the opportunity to line your pockets you would do the same thing. That is, unless you are a complete, anti-capitalist/anti-profit socialist. In which case, we'd never see invention to argue about this topic in the first place.
From the OP: "its 100% obvious these authentic makers were never in it to save lives or help anybody only to line their own pockets."
You or anyone else will never convince me that there is anything wrong with someone wanting to "line their own pockets". Especially since if you had the opportunity to line your pockets you would do the same thing. That is, unless you are a complete, anti-capitalist/anti-profit socialist. In which case, we'd never see invention to argue about this topic in the first place.
I don't think that's 100% obvious at all. You're assuming that there's only one motivation, when it's perfectly reasonable to think that builders might make their mods to, line their pockets, build a quality product that they feel proud of, and supply a product to the market, that helps people live healthier. You can be motivated by multiple things.
Completely agree! However, I focused my reply on only one motivation and defended it because the chase for the "almighty buck" has played a key role in advancing our standard of living. I never begrudge anyone for being motivated to maximize their profits. But yes, I absolutely agree with you that there are more than one motivation. No doubt about it. I would think a vet would have to love animals if they wanted to start a vet clinic...as another example.
From the OP: "its 100% obvious these authentic makers were never in it to save lives or help anybody only to line their own pockets."
You or anyone else will never convince me that there is anything wrong with someone wanting to "line their own pockets". Especially since if you had the opportunity to line your pockets you would do the same thing. That is, unless you are a complete, anti-capitalist/anti-profit socialist. In which case, we'd never see invention to argue about this topic in the first place.
Is not buying the cheapest possible item that does the task not founded in the very same concept that moves profits into the stratosphere, thus when purchasing clones one is trying to maximize their own profit, the very same action they complain about when it is the designer who is seeking to maximize profit.
I'm not sure mod designers are all in it to get rich, I'm sure some are, but I think in the beginning it was mostly folks with pretty cool ideas that wanted to share their ideas with other vapers. Of course they had to recoup their money, and it would be silly to not be paid for your time.
Of course that is very much a case by case thing though.
I don't think it would be honest to say a mod designer thinks his or her creation is in any way connected to a healthier life. They create cool things, things we can use in our lives in a way that might be better for us in the long run, sure. Something cool is more likely to be used, up to a point I suppose.
Certainly making money helps keep food on the table a roof over ones head, and the lights on at night.
Maurice
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