Fellas, a tube with a few pieces of hardware and a circuit board is relatively simple compared to developing an HDTV. Everyone knows that. Nonetheless, someone invested their time,money, and know-how to make it happen. Do they deserve to be rewarded? And who determines what that reward should be. And if it were that simple, why aren't you making/developing your own mods? Go to the hardware store and buy a hunk of pipe, a flashlight, some wire, a soldering iron, a few resistors and capacitors and you can make your own design exactly how you want it in an afternoon. Right?
Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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I think you would be surprised at how many "things" are copied by the Chinese. They have staffs dedicated to combing American (and other) products for cloning. As soon as something hits the market they are processing it for cloning prospects. Anything from a lawn sprinkler to a battleship.
Yes of course they should be awarded. At odds are how much? how little? Recouping investment overnight is not my idea of that. If they have a product they will recoup it of a period of time 3 4 5 10 years... Just because you have a product doesn't mean you have to be awarded for it. Many business fail. Many products fail. Some fail because they cost too much.
Like I said before.. if there wasn;t a clone out I still would not have bought an authentic and be happily vaping on my MVP2 and spinners.
i don;t doubt. Look at the car cloning earlier in thread. Incidentally.. it was ruled as not being a clone.
I own authentic/genuine Kayfuns and Provaris because they get used near-constantly. I also own a cloned Nemesis and a couple cloned RDA's. These clones are used, perhaps, 10% of my vape time. Like you, I would not buy authentic of these because I simply cannot justify the expense for the little they get used (implying the original developer did not lose a sale on me). I would do without before paying genuine prices and it wouldn't really put a dent in my vape experience. This is where I have settled on my "morality". Where others settle on their morality is entirely up to them and their conscious. But I do like to bring up the debate points.
pretty much... ya
People here keep talking about patents.. Patents arent the issue, trademark and copyright are. As has been said many times, a copyright exist at the creation of a design (in our case of discussion), and trademark can be proven IF the company wants to pursue it. However, to keep in the original topic, the companies in question HAVE NOT pursued this, and therefore HAVE NOT registered their claimed trademark and that means that what they are doing is NOT going to work as you MUST have a registered trademark to have Customs stop the import of the claimed infringing products. The only people who have been forward thinking and sought some sort of protection have been Hanna with a trademark they registered, and Evolve with a patent on the DNA's. The rest of them are outta luck.
True, but most companies register and apply for protection in the US and EU so they can at least stop (or slow) the proliferation of Chinese clones in the biggest markets.
pretty much... ya
People here keep talking about patents.. Patents arent the issue, trademark and copyright are. As has been said many times, a copyright exist at the creation of a design (in our case of discussion), and trademark can be proven IF the company wants to pursue it. However, to keep in the original topic, the companies in question HAVE NOT pursued this, and therefore HAVE NOT registered their claimed trademark and that means that what they are doing is NOT going to work as you MUST have a registered trademark to have Customs stop the import of the claimed infringing products. The only people who have been forward thinking and sought some sort of protection have been Hanna with a trademark they registered, and Evolve with a patent on the DNA's. The rest of them are outta luck.
I was involved with a patent lawsuit as a "witness". What I learned was anyone with any imagination can get around a patent infringement. I'm guessing trademark and copyright infringements are pretty easy to get around as well.
That's not true. For example patent number 8,757,169. I'm sure there are plenty of others.
Which is good. A debate/discussion/a bar room chat is good.
I am of a similar mind. I have no problems with someone spending their money as they see fit. Heck if Jordan.. Well James wants to wear gold plated Nike's more power to him. I have no issues with me spending my money as I choose and I would hope others would not either. It just seems people have an issue on how I am spending my money. Whether it be cloning or keeping my money in the US. I draw the line there.
I have 3 protanks, kayfun clone (I have a love hate relationship with it) but it has an incredibly smooth vape when she wants to work with me, and a few Youde (unsure of spelling) because they are less than 20 bucks. I think I had to get the clone on the Igo W because the original only came in dual airholes and I vape single coils.
Don't get me wrong I see the Authentics point of views. All I have heard is the IP rules flowing around. Unless you have one, there really isn't much that can be said.
Look at this way.. Take that chip out of the provari.. (Not sure for switch but just imagine a side switch with no wires - yes I know it does not exist) Would you still pay 185 bucks for it? Maybe you would.. It would be your choice.
Ya, they pretty much are.. Unless you are Disney, Coke, Apple, Samsung, or Google.. Those guys will hunt you down to the ends of the Earth.
yessir.. She gets the portal implanted Weds.. Start chemo Thursday. Then its all downhill again
Is there some reason why there has been no mention of the names of the companies (or even the mod names) that didn't trademark, copyright or apply for patent applications that started this debate?
Here's the part of electrical engineering school required for making mech mods.
Just when I think I'm going to give up on this thread, someone posts something like this and has me rolling on the floor. This was perfect.
I haven't seen this tread since yesterday and today we are talking about war with China and comparing developing mods with developing new drugs. So so silly.
An only one application seems to have made it.. But you are right. This one is patented... Do you know what it is?
I wonder if by page 150 of this thread we will get explanation from pro-clone crowd as to why it would be any sort of problem / issue with copying exact original logo put on an authentic? Currently the odds are 1000 to 1 that it will happen by page 100.
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