No its still not okay, the Caravela was not made to be for everyone, it was made to be a limited number of devices period.
Clones devalue the unique nature of authentic, more so when the authentic are so limited in number.
Maurice
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No its still not okay, the Caravela was not made to be for everyone, it was made to be a limited number of devices period.
Clones devalue the unique nature of authentic, more so when the authentic are so limited in number.
Maurice
Nothing better for winter than a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks made in Japan..
We sign a disclaimer when we take scrap home stating it is for personal use only...
I can sell you one of these if you have $6 million-
Giant spool of -0.01awg kanthal a1
Explain. How does someone else having something that looks LIKE a Caravela make the Caravela less valuable? A ring with cubic zirconia doesn't make a ring with a blood diamond less valuable.
You ARE stepping into elitist territory with that attitude.
I think if you read my posts I have never said anyone sucks as a human. My sincere belief is you should buy something made by the original maker and never buy something that has a stolen logo. The Caravela still has a list although I am not sure why anyone would get on it the industry has far surpassed the mod. I have no problem with Sigeliei putting out the #8 it is a close match and gives people the ability to get a similar mod at a very reasonable price. Where I have a problem and where we as vapors in this young industry should have a problem is when infinite counterfeits the KFL and puts the logo on it and markets is as a KFL clone. KFL's changed the industry and they are available you can buy them everywhere so the counterfeits hurt their sales. The stingray is another example they are available authentic so why would someone chose to buy a counterfeit? IF price is concern buy any number of tube mods that do the same thing
No I never meant to imply you were saying that. Just that the overall argument here feels like that. A good mod at a good price should be bought from the original, but that's not always feasible for whatever reason... Like in the case of limited runs. They all get bought so no one loses any money, and all that's left for the people who weren't fast enough is clones. Saying they shouldn't be allowed to even get one that looks similar because they weren't fast enough is horribly elitist.
I do agree with the logos thing though. The logo is representative of a company, and provides brand recognition. I did buy a Nemesis clone(without logos), and I won't feel bad about it. I used madvapes reward points to get it for less than a $20 bill. Can't find that anywhere else without waiting a month. I needed something I don't have to worry about at work, so no I didn't worry about brand/country loyalty, etc, that time. My Provari and Reo tell what side I stand on.
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Bridgestone's made in Japan? I was under the impression they were Canadian? (which is a good thing IMO)
Can't personal use mean giving it to a friend at one's personal discretion?
Can't say I have $6 million lying around...
What is that? 4" something or other? Or 6"? (basing line diameter guess on other items visible in picture)
Fair enough do you think you dollars were well spent with the provari and reo? I would imagine you do
They can be hard to find. And some models are limited edition. I had to wait a month or so before my B&M came up on some units of the newer Red Copper LE. When they got some XTi's and black X's, they were in numbers along the lines of 2 and 10 units, respectively. Both options were gone and out of the store within a week.
Granted I got my hands on all 3, just goes to show if you look for certain things and wait for them, and ask around, they can be found. Just throwing this out there.
I guess to answer the question of why someone would buy a counterfeit: They either don't want to pony up the money because whatever list of reasons have been posted in this thread; or they are too lazy to do the footwork to find out who will have originals where and when.
Yes, I suppose I am.
People place additional value on exclusivity, cloning eliminates the perception that the money spent on exclusivity worked.
This isn't a dollar value really, it is purely the buying into a small group.
Maurice
Using the CZ reference, if your SO had a 1cwt diamond ring and at the next card game every friend had 1cwt CZ rings the image of exclusivity would be gone. The 1cwt is no longer serving its purpose.
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Definitely do! Well the Reo lies unused because I ended up not liking the form factor, but that's beside the point. That having been said, they are at the top of their respective game in the vaping world.
Take a normal mechanical tube mod... I don't bother with high end models because no matter how I spin it in my head, it's a metal tube with a switch and a 510 connector, nothing more. Other people obviously feel VERY differently about them. Me... I didn't need special in any way. I needed a cheap mod that delivers voltage, and I got just that. If I lose it, or it gets driven over, etc, etc... Who cares? It was less than $20 and I still have my Provari.
I accept that. You are entitled to feel that way if you like. Still, people with clones aren't going around pretending their's are originals, so the perception really isn't there, except the few randoms passing on the street that actually know what they are looking at. (That having been said, if anyone IS pretending their's isn't a clone but is, then they are a whole other kind of sad.)
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that's one i and many others didn't think of, when the authentic is all bought up clones are the only option.
very good point and honestly it would be nice to have the authentic black stingray and don't think i haven't considered it many times, who knows with the new job starting up maybe ill look at my bank statement one day and say "what the heck" lol.
but again knowing it preforms well would be the only reason i would drop that kind of money for the better overall look (honestly it may sound cold hearted but im not that worried about them, there products sell regardless of clones), mine does have flaws being a clone like you can see the seams from the tube sections, the lock ring wasn't milled center so it sits off center just a tad, the top cap doesn't have vent holes but im very OCD about my battery care i feel ok using it and still enjoy the mod very much cause it was $40 and it was my second ever mod. i know im not done buying stuff lol.
still pretty new to this and this is really my first look into the authentic vs clone debate (and i have read every single post
) it has opened my eyes to some things, not that it has changed my opinions about much. im not gonna rush out and beat people that buy clones, im not gonna stop buying them if i want to try a design i see it as a cheap way to do so (or if i join vapebox lol) or to get a comparable product at an affordable price if you view the original as over priced. the stingray logos are awesome. would i have bought the clone without them? yes. cause the black tube with the SS stop cap, fire button, and lock ring with the copper accents would still look awesome.
Bridgestone's made in Japan? I was under the impression they were Canadian? (which is a good thing IMO)
Can't personal use mean giving it to a friend at one's personal discretion?
Can't say I have $6 million lying around...
Their tires are made all over, but some sizes of Blizzaks are made in Japan.
Can't do it, sorry...
6". It is a blow out prevention bundle used in oil exploration off of platforms. It has a 1" hose in the center with 96 3/16" hoses cabled around it. It connects a well head to an oil rig. Once they pay it off of the spool, the spool goes into the ocean. The spool alone is $40000...
I'll live another day without owning super cool high PSI hose. No sweat. Was at least worth a couple tries. 
Have Yokohama Geolander AT-S's on my jeep, and the Toyos which I was referring to are Open Country MT's.
A good buddy of mine who runs the Open Country MT on his offroad truck got ahold of some Toyo commercial tires for his work truck (light duty pickup) that are beastly looking for a commercial tire; I believe they are called M-55 or something. I'd look them up. He swears up and down by Toyo and he drives more than any person I know.
Have Yokohama Geolander AT-S's on my jeep, and the Toyos which I was referring to are Open Country MT's.
A good buddy of mine who runs the Open Country MT on his offroad truck got ahold of some Toyo commercial tires for his work truck (light duty pickup) that are beastly looking for a commercial tire; I believe they are called M-55 or something. I'd look them up. He swears up and down by Toyo and he drives more than any person I know.
What about all black? View attachment 375741
now that is vape porn!
Well, it could be, and usually is, of the same material.. As David of Super T pointed out, the major cost, as in 80%-90% of a mod, any mod, is in the cost of machining. It just so happens that its about 2.5x the cost here in the US to machine the same part, using the same machines than it does in China. Even cheaper if you dont want a high level of QA. It all boils down to labor costs. Yes there are other factors, but this is the biggest by far.
You werent the one saying and/or implying it, as far as I know... But it has been. In this thread and others.
As we all know, there are some 1.1 clones coming out of China that clone right down to the original manufacturers logo on the tube ... The "Caravela" clone was really a good example of this, as the Chinese Caravela clone even had "Pedros" signature engraved on the tube just like the original.
It's obvious that the Chinese have no conscience in cloning items that were originally made in other countries.
My question is ... Will Chinese also clone items when the original was actually made in China, or do they stop at that?
Case in point .... All the various "Kanger" clearomizers .... KangerTech is a Chinese company which designs and manufactures all it's various clearomizers (IE: AeroTank) in China. Kanger does NOT clone anything.
Since the Kanger clearomizers are very popular worldwide, are there other Chinese companies cloning cheap 1.1 Chinese knockoffs of the Kanger clearomizers (right down to including the Kanger logos on the fake knockoff of the Kanger clearomizer) ?
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I am thinking that these Chinese companies that actually manufacture the various clones will stop at cloning there own countrymans devices (too close to home to get KangerTech angry with you)!
What do you think ...
It's obvious that the Chinese have no conscience in cloning items that were originally made in other countries.
My question is ... Will Chinese also clone items when the original was actually made in China, or do they stop at that?
Case in point .... All the various "Kanger" clearomizers .... KangerTech is a Chinese company which designs and manufactures all it's various clearomizers (IE: AeroTank) in China. Kanger does NOT clone anything.
Since the Kanger clearomizers are very popular worldwide, are there other Chinese companies cloning cheap 1.1 Chinese knockoffs of the Kanger clearomizers (right down to including the Kanger logos on the fake knockoff of the Kanger clearomizer) ?
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I am thinking that these Chinese companies that actually manufacture the various clones will stop at cloning there own countrymans devices (too close to home to get KangerTech angry with you)!
What do you think ...
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