If they make the commitment to the investment then they need to meet the demand. If they leave an opening someone will fill that hole, simple supply and demand.
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Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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If they make the commitment to the investment then they need to meet the demand. If they leave an opening someone will fill that hole, simple supply and demand.
Don't start something you can't finish.
No, I figured it out long ago. Just framed it in a different way.
To me it's like someone saying, "I think there should be a tax increase. But increase everyone else's, not mine".
It's exactly what it is. Let others pay for the investment and let me reap the rewards of the investment.
Hm, I'm not absolutely sure on this, but I seem to remember reading that the creator of REOs has someone else make the box that is a REO (the aluminum one). He designed it. He adds all the other parts. But the actual aluminum box he does not make himself in his own shop (sorry if I'm wrong about this; I thought I read this on the reosmods forum). He is constantly improving his product, adding new options & features & is very talented (have you seen the woodvilles?). And I'm fairly sure he makes a profit from his product. So then, perhaps you're being a bit too general in your statement.
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No one is required to make any kind of investment. Who is forcing them to?
So far that's been my MO.
But don't get me wrong, I bought a authentic and a Magma clone. The Infinite is every bit as nice as the authentic, I just wanted a second one
Same goes for my Atomic, there was a dry spell for the authentic, I bought an Infinite. I own three Atomic's.My Viking hasn't been cloned yet but they do a pretty good job keeping up with the demand, same for the Veritas but when I went back to buy an authentic insulator they told me to stick it. If I pick up another Veritas due to the outstanding customer service (insert sarcasm here) I got from the provider I will most likely buy a clone. Both of these authentic's have an almost reasonible price point, still a little high for some so I understand the need for the clone.
My thing is this, clone's came into play because of high price points or authentic manufacturers lack of supply. If someone doesn't want to absorb the higher expense of an authentic good for them, buy what you can afford.
Rip Tripper said it in his Squape Reloaded review, nice topper but it's not worth $170, buy the clone.
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Unsubscribing from this thread. It has served its purpose.
I will leave with this final analysis. There is a saying..."The ends justifies the means". There is a whole lot of that going on in this thread.
Cheers!
There is certainly a preponderance of that. But if it has a couple people otherwise oblivious say "Hmmm, I wonder what the truth is" and go and find out, so much the better.
I think you might be right. The other day on my way from work, I was drifting off a bit with the buttery smooth ride of my Rolls Royce Phantom. I hadn't even realized the car had stopped when my driver Woodford opened the door and the sunlight broke through my virtual bliss. I got out of the car and as I wait for Woodford to close it I noticed a young man, by the looks of it a hipster, walking by roguishly sucking on a Nemesis clone mod. I decided to warmly reach out to one of my fellow vaping brethren with the usual greeting of a "Tip 'o' the mod do you" forgetting I was proudly waving my $3,000 Otto Carter Engraved Brass Steampunk Mod at him. My gesture of solidarity was for naught. He waived back, first joyfully then envy and jealousy took control of his eyes as he stared at my glorious, hand carved rod of wonder. I felt bigger, more substantial in the presence of his vaping smallness - even his atomizer was a reproduction and he was probably forced to vape the bathtub hooch equivalent of eliquids - DIY
This was funny. Thanks for the laugh
Unsubscribing from this thread. It has served its purpose.
I will leave with this final analysis. There is a saying..."The ends justifies the means". There is a whole lot of that going on in this thread.
Cheers!
You will not be missed
First of all the reason I don't make my own mod is because I'm lazy as hell. Unless it's going to make me rich, I'm happy enough at my job, it's easy and pays me well enough to live a comfortable life. The headaches of managing even chinese manufacturing isn't something I want to deal with.
As for buying legit if available, absolutely. And there are two reasons for that. First, I wouldn't feel like I'm buying into the lie of scarcity. I will not do that when there are millions of square feet of fallow manufacturing space in the US and more than a few trained and capable machinists looking for work. Second, and everyone knows this, is the fact that if they met demand, prices would fall. And, cool enough, so would costs.
Everyone knows that if you buy (or manufacture) in bulk, prices go down. You no longer need a 100% margin. Since you're selling four times as many, you only need a 25 margin. And if you're making more, you need even less.
For somebody hungry to make a quarter million, it would probably be worth it. It's not to me.
You know, there's something else that crossed my mind after posting my first little rant.
Instead of complaining about Chinese clones, why are they not being beaten at their own game? Why are they not taking advantage of this manufacturing capacity in China? If they can't keep up with demand, why are they not getting Chinese made pieces (and China absolutely can produce good products) QCing them on arrival and selling factory-authorized clones for half the price of the original. Let people like you with a moral imperative buy the 100% American made stuff. Because they would be able to sell both, I guarantee it. Easily available clones haven't stopped people from buying legit yet, have they?
Anyway, it's all moot. Some are going to buy American made, some are not. Some will try to stop the Chinese trade, and they will fail, because China will adapt and work around the law.
The 'innovators' can only hope for one thing: that the Chinese don't get it into their heads to start innovating. If they do, and start making good products on their own, (and let's face it, e-cigs came out of China) the American guys will be done.
It's kind of funny that many are arguing that these clones are hurting the US economy and that original makers have an automatic copyright and trademark, when many of the original mods aren't made in the US to begin with. The Nemesis and the Stingray are two of the most popular and neither is made in the US. So buying an original isn't going to be helping the US one bit, unless you pay taxes on it. I'm surprised that no one has brought this up yet.
Your original answer included logo as well, such as the Atmomixani train or steam engine if you will.
What I don't get is how a logo design is something you respect but the actual mod design you don't.
To me both are designs.
If you will try for a moment to step outside your own perspective and look at it in a more objective way, consider how that idea comes across.
It is said that imitation is the highest form of flattery, if we go with that is removing the designers mark a respectable way to go about flattering the designer or is it flipping the bird?
If we go with the 1:1 full deal, I can see the flattery angle having some measure of solid ground to base an argument on. Particularly with folks that are truly struggling to afford vaping and are suffering from some truly horrible nicotine withdraw symptoms.
The inspired by death angel is no different than logos in this regard. It can be viewed similarly if looked at from the flattery prospective. A little more than twice removed as it is far from a 1:1 copy of the original.
I can respect Circa Survivor's no honor among thrives prospective, its easy to deal with however illogical it seems and how counter it is to my morals and values.
The halfhearted wishy washy kinda sorta stance just comes off as random and unpredictable.
Circa is sort of like getting into a fight with someone twice your size, you know what your dealing with and just roll with it.
Prophet's view is more like fighting a guy half your size that is hopped up on who knows what, you have no idea what coming and can't for the life of you be ready to cope.
I'll take the former over the latter any day.
Maurice
No insinuation is implied that either of you are big or small or hopped up on anything, I'm just using the terminology to illustrate my point. Not interested in trading fists either, this chat is nowhere near worth that sort of sillyness.
Maurice
Re-read the post of mine you quoted
I was saying "I had heard that the Veritas was hard to build..." then "I received mine and it was cake compared to what I had heard". If no one bought the originals, mod makers would stop creating originals, thus you would have no clones to buy other than what already exists.
the only question i asked was rhetorica, "i thought the whole point of vaping was to have a better alternative than smoking while also sticking it to big tobacco? well i guess its time to start calling these authentic manufacturers "Big Authentic" even though they have nowhere near the clout they think they do lol."
i started this thread cause of the authentic makers with no legal protection are attempting to fight the cloners with the law even though they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
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