Authentic mod out done by its clone

[Dusther]

Was looking at the subforum for a new apv and ended up here. But anyway. CB hang tough with your 4runner cause ya know what?

I'm all about saving some green to dump in my rig as well. Go out to Rausch Creek and hook up with the Gotham City Land Cruisers great bunch of guys.

Yeah that sticker is on a 6" lifted '07 FJ Cruiser with a ton of mods on it.

 

[Smithereens]

I have a hard time seeing how the real King could be much better than my clone... unless the real one is infused with unicorn blood or something...

Now, about that FJ and the sticker....

If I still had my old XJ, betcha' I could show you "cute" offroad! I've owned Runners, straight axle Toy trucks, XJ Cherokees, Wranglers, a RE22 powered Zuke and a 4.3 Chebby Zuke... The XJ is the best of the bunch hands down... I've heard the FJ is decent... bound to be better than anything (the now dead to me) Jeep currently has on the market!


Eh, gawd... I just got to thinking how much money I've sunk into that stuff over the years.... no more for me! I could have bought a small army for less!

 

[havoc1967]

A stainless King is my next planned purchase. Preferably by hcigar. If the quality is even close to the hcigar Nemesis I have I will be very happy.
The "clone vs original" is a hot topic on this forum and one that comes up time and time again. I'm a big believer in to each their own so could not care less what another person buys to make themselves happy. I have quite a few clones and am very happy with them. Some of them (a Maraxus, a Nemesis and a Launcher) are so great I have a hard time believing it's even possible for the original to be any better, just a lot more expensive.
The majority of my friends do not vape, they still continue to smoke cigarettes, which is of course their right. They are supportive of me though considering I used to smoke like a chimney. Sometimes they will politely inquire about the current device I am using. I show it to them, tell them it's a clone and how much I paid for it. Sometimes I get the "you actually paid $20 for a tube???" and a smile. Sometimes I tell them what the original costs and I get either shocked looks or outright laughter.
Yeah...... I am having a very time being able to justify $200 for a mech mod to anyone, especially myself. But to everyone out there who is buying the originals I think that's cool and I support you doing so. I just wish I had enough money that I could too.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I'm with you on that one. I can spend hundreds on vape gear or I could spend it on my car and truck, which will prove to be more useful and seem more well spent in the end. I have been justifying buying another authentic mech mod but then I thought I could spend that money and get my truck lifted instead.

If you had a heart attack when you were 33 like I did, I can tell you that you would not see spending $$ on your car or truck is more useful than vape gear (which should not be taken to mean that I buy all authentics - I don't, I have 5 clones and 3 authentics). I only buy authentics when I see a piece that I REALLY like.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Sometimes they will politely inquire about the current device I am using. I show it to them, tell them it's a clone and how much I paid for it. Sometimes I get the "you actually paid $20 for a tube???" and a smile. Sometimes I tell them what the original costs and I get either shocked looks or outright laughter.

Laughed at by the guys who spend in ONE WEEK buying cigarettes what you spent buying a clone that will last for many years.

Math is certainly not their strong suit.

I say turn the tables on them. Point out that they spend FAR MORE THAN YOU and then laugh right back.

 

[Chelonian]

I can ring in from the other side.

While I have not bought a clone, one of the things that got me vaping was a borrowed H Cigar Vela.

It was a very nice clone, performed flawlessly, and the atty sat flush with the stock center pin.

But I buy originals.

The reason is that in the overall scheme of cost, authentics aren't that much, when compared to smoking, or throwing thousands in to a depreciating asset like a vehicle.

It's about what important to you. If vaping to you is about not being on stinkies, and good results, then clones are right up your alley.

If the above goals are for you , and you enjoy tight tolerances, impeccable fit and finish, and enjoy the look of high grade certified metal, then authentics will float your boat.

I do the same thing with tools.

Craftsman gets the job done.

I buy SnapOn.

Both are fine. What is not fine is either side attacking the other, or having justifying themselves to others.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I can ring in from the other side.

While I have not bought a clone, one of the things that got me vaping was a borrowed H Cigar Vela.

It was a very nice clone, performed flawlessly, and the atty sat flush with the stock center pin.

But I buy originals.

The reason is that in the overall scheme of cost, authentics aren't that much, when compared to smoking, or throwing thousands in to a depreciating asset like a vehicle.

It's about what important to you. If vaping to you is about not being on stinkies, and good results, then clones are right up your alley.

If the above goals are for you , and you enjoy tight tolerances, impeccable fit and finish, and enjoy the look of high grade certified metal, then authentics will float your boat.

I do the same thing with tools.

Craftsman gets the job done.

I buy SnapOn.

Both are fine. What is not fine is either side attacking the other, or having justifying themselves to others.

The major difference in Snap on and craftsman is where they are sold.
You can buy craftsman at the mall (sears).
You buy snap on from a truck.
Snap on costs a bit more but they deliver to your shop and the service and knowledge available make it worth the price difference.

Both are excellent quality tools.



Clone mods perform just as well as originals.
Straight up performance numbers aren't why most people spend the money for legit mods.

A $25 copper Nemmy clone trumps almost every legit
Mod when it comes to voltage drop.
Add $3 magnets and 10 minutes polishing the switch guys and its gonna be hard to beat at any price.

 

[Chelonian]

I think you missed the point of my post, perhaps I wasn't clear.

I purposefully compared two good tool sets for a reason - both are good, but that last 10% to 20% of difference, that makes little to no difference in actual performance (at least in 90% of the cases in terms of tools - there is a HUGE difference in how well a SnapOn will grab a rusted stripped out nut compared to a Craftsman), but there is a difference in things like fit and finish.

And in tools, as well as mods, and everything else in life, there is a lot more than 10%-20% difference in price for that last little bit.

Whether or not its worth it is up to the user.

I get satisfaction out of a perfectly machined piece of kit - I like it when even the inside of a mod has been finished. I like the even the zen like patterns of a good symmetric grain tilt boundary apparent in a high grade certified metal. The perfection of a hand chamfered thread that has been micro beveled.

These are things that can't be found in a clone. These are things that a $60, much less a $25 clone, can't trump, because you can't get that in an extruded piece. You have to mill out a block.

These are also things that aren't worth it to many, if not most. To those people, a good authentic is a waste, because it's the only edge they have over a good clone.

It's also why there are some very sought after mods haven't been cloned.

To me, if a mod can be satisfactorily cloned for $50, the original was overpriced.

 

[bsoplinger]

When I saw the Craftsman vs Snap On comparison it made me think of Harbor Freight. Which is very close to our clone discussion. If I've got a one time need for a particular special purpose tool, the extremely cheaply made soon to break or fail quality of their product is just what I need.

Guess that's how I feel about clones and its been said before. If it keeps you from smoking, it's good, whether clone or original.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

 

[Bad Ninja]

My personal experience says otherwise.
Many clones are 1:1 and perform exactly like their original counterparts.

This is a fact.
Learned from hands on experience.

Not something I read online.




Im old school. I need to see proof from someone that knows what they are talkin a out, or I need to see for myself.
Internet hype is usually wrong.

 

[Chelonian]

Sigh.

Same old, confrontational Bad Ninja....if others have a different opinion, he must attack.

Nice collection, you a truly the end all, be all, magnificent shining god of vaping, and surely I am wrong for liking authentics, and knowing that there will be differences between them and clones, and preferring them for that. Surely my feeling that each should buy what they want, but each should know that there is, at the vey least, cosmetic differences between the two, is wrong.

I am struck speechless by your collection of budget oriented mods.

Hopefully you are a merciful god, and will not smite my authentics.

PS

Haven't seen you on Calivapers for a while

 

[Bad Ninja]

Sigh.

Same old, confrontational Bad Ninja....if others have a different opinion, he must attack.

Nice collection, you a truly the end all, be all, magnificent shining god of vaping, and surely I am wrong for liking authentics, and knowing that there will be differences between them and clones, and preferring them for that. Surely my feeling that each should buy what they want, but each should know that there is, at the vey least, cosmetic differences between the two, is wrong.

I am struck speechless by your collection of budget oriented mods.

Hopefully you are a merciful god, and will not smite my authentics.

I never attack anyone, tho you seem to whine every time I offer an opinion based on facts that goes against the popular hype.
I always offer facts and legitimate information, and you always try to twist the conversation around to distract from the truth.

I never attack anyone for buying anything.
I do addres blatant false I formation spewed by people who have zero experience .
Regurgitating an uninformed post hurts everyone in the community including you.

Embrace truth and deny ignorance.
It will truely benefit you in many ways.

 

[Nuclear Cowboy]

I dunno, I certainly don't have the experience or knowledge on the subject that many here do but can say this. I have a quite a few clones. They have done what they were supposed to do. No complaints on the function side. I press the button, they make vapor. Recently though, I made a purchase that may have soured me on clones for life. Last week I bought a gently used GP PAPS 18500 LUX on the classifieds here. I didn't really know what to expect but had the extra cash and wanted to see what I was missing. I found out quickly I was missing a lot with the clones. Yes, the clones work and yes the clones are always a bargain compared to the originals. but,,,,the fit, finish and function of this GP compared to the clones is absalutely amazing! The button is sooo smooth and the locking ring is glass smooth. The finish on the tube is as close to perfect as possible. The quality is there like nothing I have owned up until this point. When I spin the threads I can feel the quality of the machining that just isn't there on ANY of the clones I own. Now if you add up all the $$$ I spent on the clones it still wouldn't cover the cost of one GP PAPS but if you put 6-8 clones on one side of the table and an original on the other I would reach for the original every time. I'm not knocking the clones, they serve a useful purpose but I just can't see myself buying any more of them. I would rather own one first class device than 10 copies.

Just an opinion drawn from my limited experience.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Do you have a GP clone to compare?



Fit and finish on the clone is incredible.
The legit GP has a smooth switch, better than the stock clone.
5 min with some polish and a thin washer and its almost identical to the legit GP.
Fit finish and performance are within a fraction of the original.
For $26.

Buy what you want by do it for the right reasons.

 

[Chelonian]

is that the same pic that you posted in CV and then got destroyed by?

 

[MrPlink]

Sigh.

Same old, confrontational Bad Ninja....if others have a different opinion, he must attack.

Nice collection, you a truly the end all, be all, magnificent shining god of vaping, and surely I am wrong for liking authentics, and knowing that there will be differences between them and clones, and preferring them for that. Surely my feeling that each should buy what they want, but each should know that there is, at the vey least, cosmetic differences between the two, is wrong.

I am struck speechless by your collection of budget oriented mods.

Hopefully you are a merciful god, and will not smite my authentics.

PS

Haven't seen you on Calivapers for a while

Takes valid counter argument as personal attack.
Then makes personal attack.

love it!

 

[Bad Ninja]

is that the same pic that you posted in CV and then got destroyed by?

I'm not sure what you keep implying.
Cali Vapers is a nice forum but the topics move really slow there.
You seem to have quite the fascination with me and my posts.
I hope You can lose the negativity and learn something from them.
In the meantime unless tou have somwthing to add to the conversation, stop trolling my posts.

 

[Chelonian]

I just wanted to see why you troll authentic posts all the time. Thought maybe I was missing something, So I tried it. I'm always up for a good time.

Nope.

Bad Ninja, I bring it up, because wherever you go, you do this. You did it at CV, you do it here. I find your last post amusing, because anyone who reads your posts will see it. You do help, but you have a weird grudge when it comes to authentics.

It's a crappy as it looks.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I just wanted to see why you troll authentic posts all the time. Thought maybe I was missing something, So I tried it. I'm always up for a good time.

Nope.

Bad Ninja, I bring it up, because wherever you go, you do this. You did it at CV, you do it here. I find your last post amusing, because anyone who reads your posts will see it. You do help, but you have a weird grudge when it comes to authentics.

It's a crappy as it looks.

In case you didn't notice, this is a discussion forum, where people discuss topics and share different opinions.
Posting my opinion on a relevant topic isn't trolling, is participating.

Following me around the Internet commenting on my posts and detracting from the topic like you have been doing for the last few weeks would be considered trolling and a bit "stalker-ish".

Do you Want something from me?
Just ask. Obviously I don't shy away from questions.
If not then please stop being such a tool.

FYI: I have nothing against authentic mods or their owners.
I don't care for the Hype and I have a zero tolerance for bull$&!? Policy.

Back on topic:
Voltage drop is one way to Measure the performance of a mod. There are a few clones that surpass their counterparts.
Copper nemesis comes to mind. Research is the key to getting your money's worth.

 

[Rule62]

Offering up a copper Nemesis as proof that clones sometimes outperform originals is not a valid argument. There is no copper authentic Nemesis. All copper Nemis are clones. Will a copper Nemi clone outperform a stainless or brass Nemi? Maybe. Copper is a better conductor than brass or stainless.