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DarKm4773r

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So, I haven't really been on here for a while. I started smoking again, due to something stressful in my life happening. I mean, I'm smoking about 3/4 pack every 1.5-2 days, compared to 2 packs every day, but I'm also dipping a can every 2 days and vaping..... I've tried 36mg and didn't help me. Can somebody tell me what's going on here?! It seems that too much nicotine is never enough anymore.
 

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Can I recommend snuff? It's the tobacco you sniff up your nose - it gives a kick almost as good as an analog. Get the American snuff at mrsnuff.com - I mostly have Euro stuff that's low to moderate nic and it satisfies my cravings but the American snuff is supposed to blow your head off (not literally :). Goes great with vaping as the flavors actually smell like what they are named.
So, I haven't really been on here for a while. I started smoking again, due to something stressful in my life happening. I mean, I'm smoking about 3/4 pack every 1.5-2 days, compared to 2 packs every day, but I'm also dipping a can every 2 days and vaping..... I've tried 36mg and didn't help me. Can somebody tell me what's going on here?! It seems that too much nicotine is never enough anymore.
 

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I feel ya.. I vape 36 mg and vape all day long, there is always something missing and I snus once every couple of days or so. You really have to WANT to give up the analogs. I hate them, and dont want to go back, so I dont. PERIOD.

I do want to completely quit.... that's why I was smoke-free for 2 months. But when something triggers me, I'm a nico-fiend.
 
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I really really recommend that you try snuff again - it was hard at first for me too but with snuff + vaping all my cravings for cigs are gone. If you read the reviews on American snuff like Rooster you'll see that people get intense nicotine rushes that cigs supplied. I just do a lot of my medium snuff for now but am upgrading to higher nic snuff this week so I don't have to do so much (better value if you think about it also).
Thank you all for the info! I'll bump up to a HV device. I'm loving my 510 though; it does give me the TH and vapor that I need, but it's the nicotine that it's lacking. Heat kills nicotine, so maybe the atty is killing some of it?:confused: I'm afraid to go above 36mg, lol.
 

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Everyone's different. I didn't think anyone LOVED smoking more than me.....The entire act of smoking was just something to always look forward to....The thought of not ever smoking again was SCARY to me I loved it so much. I smoked about 22 cigs a day, give or take........When I found out about e cigs I did a lot of research on this forum before I bought one, watched vids on youtube etc. When I got my 510 in the mail July 2nd 2009 I haven't had one since and haven't even really thought much about it. I couldn't believe how not smoking analogs could be so easy...Hard to believe that there are people out there who loved smoking more than I did but I guess they are out there.. Good luck
 

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I do want to completely quit.... that's why I was smoke-free for 2 months. But when something triggers me, I'm a nico-fiend.

Your no different than a lot of folks, Dark. Many don't admit it and eventually slip away, discouraged because PV's worked for everyone else. I tend to look for the ones on slippery ground, since I finally gained my foothold. To be clear, some can switch to PV's and never look back, but not all. Typical advice for those struggling is higher nic, higher voltage, different flavors, method of inhale, etc. For some, none of that works and PV's are turned into money pits. The fact is some people need the tobacco alkaloids that get stripped from eliquids. These alkaloids have a maoi effect that acts as an anti-anxiety and anti-depressant drug. They're what gives a smoke that calm, relaxed feeling of mental focus (and initiate that morning bm). Eliquids can be made just as pure and still contain those alkaloids, but that adds to the expense and complexity of the process, so they only give us the stripped nicotine molecule instead.

A little background on me. I'm 46 years old and have had a lifetime of drug an alcohol abuse. 5 1/2 years ago I went to rehab for, hopefully, the last time. Since then strong coffee and smokes are what kept depression and anxiety in check. About a month after I switched to vaping I started experiencing increased symptoms of depression...no motivation to do more than breath, no interest in anything, very dark moods, total loss of appetite. And the anxiety seemed to build an a daily basis along with a growing, intense craving for something missing. At the same time I had a nice hot PV stuck to my face all my waking hours, vaping straight 54mg eliquid with an occasional 75mg boost. I was gettin' the nic, all that had changed was I wasn't smoking. Fast forward a bit, I hooked up with some folks here on the forum, some quite knowledgeable, and DVap, a chemist on the forum. Through much research on tobacco, it was determined what the problem was, the missing alkaloids. DVap invested serious time and money to make some eliquid that still contained those alkaloids and sent samples to me and some others who were like me. The stuff tasted and worked like the real thing, only without the smoke and all the other nasties. Good stuff for sure, but DVap couldn't keep producing it and nobody else will. Through more research by DVap and others we found Swedish snus offers the required alkaloids. Things being what they were, my choices were go back to smokes, use anti-depressant/anxiety drugs (never again) or suppliment with Swedish snus. That's how I got here.

A lot of folks never regain their body's ability to properly release dopamine due to substance abuse (including smokes), trauma or never did it right to begin with. That leaves us in a bad spot when switching to PV's only. That's also why so many want to quit, but are never able to give up a few a day. It helps to keep them mentally balanced. Swedish snus does that and so does dip/chew. Dip has it own health risks though and even though it's less harmful than smokes (studies show, regardless of anti-speak), Swedish snus is in a class by itself. Hundreds of years in use, it's been well studied. It's regulated as a food product in Sweden and can be no more harmful than any other edibles. It's discrete, spit-less, comes in quite a variety and has the goods to keep people like me moderately sane. Worth a try. Not only do I not smoke, I'm fairly happy and fully functional. Strange thing about this stuff is the feeling of calm goes much deeper than it ever did with smokes. No peaks and valleys. My challenge would be to hook up with some good Swedish snus and sit back to enjoy a nice relaxed vape session. If you have any questions about it, post some down in this forums "Smokeless" sub-forum. Guaranteed, everyone there's been in your shoes and more than happy help you out. Quite a few forum ladies using it, too. If you wanna look into the alkaloid stuff, click on my avatar and check the WTA stuff (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids). Good luck, bro :).
 

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Victor, you are the GREATEST. :wub:

Seriously, man - I've never failed to see you respond to a thread like this and share you story in the hope you can be of help to others.

OP: I concur with others about snus: when I was struggling to kick the cigs NOTHING helped me like snus.

I could be vaping away and want to put down my PV and pick up a smoke. I never had a snus in my mouth and felt the need to take it out and light up a smoke.

That says something to me.

Another thing I have to say: I don't know if you ever "found your juice" but while I found flavors I liked until I found Liquidxpress' Honey Flue Cured I flat out could not put down the analogues.

Good Luck!
 
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Victor, you are the GREATEST. :wub:

Seriously, man - I've never failed to see you respond to a thread like this and share you story in the hope you can be of help to others.

OP: I concur with others about snus: when I was struggling to kick the cigs NOTHING helped me like snus.

I could be vaping away and want to put down my PV and pick up a smoke. I never had a snus in my mouth and felt the need to take it out and light up a smoke.

That says something to me.

Another thing I have to say: I don't know if you ever "found your juice" but while I found flavors I liked until I found Liquidxpress' Honey Flue Cured I flat out could not put down the analogues.

Good Luck!

Thanks yanks :). Long story short, I just try to give back a little of what I got from others.
 

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I really really recommend that you try snuff again - it was hard at first for me too but with snuff + vaping all my cravings for cigs are gone. If you read the reviews on American snuff like Rooster you'll see that people get intense nicotine rushes that cigs supplied. I just do a lot of my medium snuff for now but am upgrading to higher nic snuff this week so I don't have to do so much (better value if you think about it also).

I bought some Wilsons of Sharrow Rum and Blackberry and Poshl Apricot. I've got to say that it is indeed working well! Before, I tried Wilsons Super Menthol and I think that's what messed me up. I got the hang of snuffing on the 1st try, so no hassle there. Thank you so much gashin! I wouldn't have remembered about snuff if you hadn't said anything.
 

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Thanks for the informative reply TWISTED VICTOR. I'm sorry about the substance abuse in your life, but congratulations on overcoming it. Snus doesn't help me though, even Swedish varieties. I like dip because I'm also doing the hand to mouth habit. With snus, I tend to forget that it's even there and try to put a dip in or light up.... but I never get sick from "too much" nicotine. I swear, it's madness.
 

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Victor, you are the GREATEST. :wub:

Seriously, man - I've never failed to see you respond to a thread like this and share you story in the hope you can be of help to others.

OP: I concur with others about snus: when I was struggling to kick the cigs NOTHING helped me like snus.

I could be vaping away and want to put down my PV and pick up a smoke. I never had a snus in my mouth and felt the need to take it out and light up a smoke.

That says something to me.

Another thing I have to say: I don't know if you ever "found your juice" but while I found flavors I liked until I found Liquidxpress' Honey Flue Cured I flat out could not put down the analogues.

Good Luck!

I completely agree on the comment about Victor. I love and respect people like you, Victor. I wish that snusing were as easy for me, as it is for you yanks. :(
 

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I completely agree on the comment about Victor. I love and respect people like you, Victor. I wish that snusing were as easy for me, as it is for you yanks. :(

Thanks Dark. Just a thought.....if you'd wanna give it shot. There's quite a variety of Swedish snus flavors and strengths, I generally use high potency Thunder (16mg) and Oden (17mg), definitely not for the faint of heart. Both also come in los (loose) and then there's Offroad Wintergreen Long Cut that seems to appeal to dippers. Here's a link that may shed more light SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View topic - Dipper's Guide to Snus from an ex-dipper. Also, no recommendations for Camel or Marlboro snus here. Both are too low in the goody department to be of any serious use in my book. I just wanted to throw this in. If not now, maybe someday you may decide to revisit snus, so
you'll have a bit more insight :). Later bro.
 

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Thanks Dark. Just a thought.....if you'd wanna give it shot. There's quite a variety of Swedish snus flavors and strengths, I generally use high potency Thunder (16mg) and Oden (17mg), definitely not for the faint of heart. Both also come in los (loose) and then there's Offroad Wintergreen Long Cut that seems to appeal to dippers. Here's a link that may shed more light SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View topic - Dipper's Guide to Snus from an ex-dipper. Also, no recommendations for Camel or Marlboro snus here. Both are too low in the goody department to be of any serious use in my book. I just wanted to throw this in. If not now, maybe someday you may decide to revisit snus, so
you'll have a bit more insight :). Later bro.

I'll try the higher nicotine stuff then. Thanks for the suggestion. My problem is, I'm going on vacation with my girlfriend and our friends on Friday morning. My girlfriend likes me using the e-cig, but her friend's boyfriend is against them, so I'm going to be in a vehicle for 5-6 hours with non-smokers without my e-cig. I'm seriousely stressing. None of them know what nicotine dependancy is like.... :(
 
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