Bad Juice/Health Hazzards

[shannonekgs]

I've been thinking of all the health hazzards of vaping and while I don't think they are even close to smoking I was wondering if anyone has ever gotten sick after vaping? I'm thinking that with all the recalls from china maybe I should buy just juice from the USA? Also one thing that may not ever happen but what if there were granules in the juice, would they then go into your lungs?

I just really need to quite smoking! All the chemicals in cigs is rediculous and now the carpet glue! I was going to use the chantix again ( I did quite for 6 mionths last year, but gained 30 lbs.) I also thought of the patches but don't k now if they will really work. I've done that lots too and have been somewhat successful, but it's pretty easy to just take the patch off and smoke if your having a crappy day.

So well vaping may be the answer! Any advice would be helpful!!
Thanks!

 

[Birdy]

wondering if anyone has ever gotten sick after vaping? I'm thinking that with all the recalls from china maybe I should buy just juice from the USA? Also one thing that may not ever happen but what if there were granules in the juice, would they then go into your lungs?

There are about a bagillionty posts of people worrying themselves silly about this stuff in the Health section. Knock yourself out:

Health and Medical Issues - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

There are no "granules" in juice, I promise. Here are some images of what Chinese labs are like:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...liquid-manufacturing-sanitary-conditions.html

Better than someone mixing juice in their garage here in the US, IMHO

 

[Kimber]

There's not years and years of research on these things like there are analogs (regular cigs) but I can tell you with little scientific knowledge that vaping pg has to be a lot safer than smoking a cigarette. Propylene Glycol is found in a lot of medicines and is Generally Regarded as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA-not that I trust the FDA completely but PG is used in a lot of medicines including IV solutions. I even read on here that PG is in asthma inhalers. If it is safe for asthma patients, it can't be as bad as a cig. PG is also what produces "smoke" in the fog machines used at concerts, haunted houses and bars; however, some people have reported an allergic reaction to PG including sinus problems. If you experience an allergy to PG, you can use vegetable glycerine instead. Just make sure you use a brand like NOW or Wilton that is safe for ingestion.

 

[ebonyknight]

I was a light smoker for over 10 years. I took chantix and quit in a week. Didn't smoke again for a year and a half. But I missed it too much and started again. Chantix works...if you want to quit. But if you don't....

I think this is a good alternative. I don't get the same rush from analogs, but the buzz lasts a lot longer. Until I notice something wrong, I will stick with this.

Just my opinion. As for the tainted products, with Chinese gov't executing the people caught doing this, the amount of tainted products has dropped. I haven't heard of another major incident and the Chinese gov't has a vested interest in restoring the reputation of it's products.

I personally am not worried about that possibility, considering the DEFINITE damage I was doing with analogs.

 

[DC2]

I can assure you that nobody has ever reported finding any granuals of any kind in any juice yet.

As far as the Chinese juice, what can anyone really tell you other than no one has reported any problems of being made sick by juice that other people can corroborate. If any such issues with juice were real, and corroborated by others, the news would spread on this forum like wildfire.

Some people do, however, find out they are allergic to PG so they have to use VG juice instead.

 

[martha1014]

I really don't think you can only buy eliquid made in the USA. I think all of it is made in China.

According to everyone's health ecig have got to be at least 99.9% better than smoking. Of course it would be better for you not to do either.

 

[Birdy]

I really don't think you can only buy eliquid made in the USA. I think all of it is made in China.

There are a few that make juice in the US from start to finish, but only a few. There's just nothing that makes that any safer than what you order from China.

 

[Turco Chips]

Check the vendors section for U.S. made juice

 

[DC2]

I have never seen it verified that ANY vendor does not at least start with nicotine juce from China, although I will say that I believe Johnson Creek does make everything from products sourced in the United States because that is what their website says.

And when I say verified I mean I have never seen anybody post a response to a direct inquiry from any vendor where that vendor has indicated that even their nicotine is made in the United States.

If anybody can correct me on this I would be pleased to hear it.

 

[Birdy]

And when I say verified I mean I have never seen anybody post a response to a direct inquiry from any vendor where that vendor has indicated that even their nicotine is made in the United States.

If anybody can correct me on this I would be pleased to hear it.

awww man, now I'm off on a JC thread hunt

 

[markarich159]

Propylene Glycol is found in a lot of medicines and is Generally Regarded as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA

Propylene Glycol, USP is the only grade of PG allowed by law to be incorporated into pharmaceutical products(syrups/suspensions, dermatologicals, opthamic preps, inhalers and nebulizer solutions etc...). The FDA has made a general statement in regards to FCC grade PG(in fact all FCC grade compendial products) that they are GRAS(but only for food use), and FCC grade product , technically, has no legal recognition in the US.

There still have been no short or long term studies on inhaling PG at vaping concentrations, accepted by the FDA, that show PG to be safe if used in this manner.

Practicality and commen sense, obviously, would lead any intelligent person to conclude that vaping MUST be, at least, some order of magnitude safer then smoking analogs.

The unfortunate thing for vapers , at this time, is that there is no way to be sure that any manufacturer of eliquid(foreign or domestic) is utilizing the highest grade ingredients as well as the safest production methods(which, in terms of drug manufacture, would be FDA current good manufacturing practices) in their production protocol.

Hopefully, in short time, there will be some practical regulations(short of an outright ban or forced drug approvals process) which will ensure that eliquid manufacturers are producing a product that is made to a sufficiently high standard for human inhalation at high concentrations. Personally, having a backround in this field, I would like to see eliquid manufacturers voluntarily adopting FDA cGMP standards in their manufacturing process. That would certainly be a step in the right direction to add legitimacy to the entire industry.

 

[OMB]

I, too, worry about how safe vaping might/might not be. I DO, however feel that it can't be any worse than smoking. I was wondering how one might do an (albeit unscientific) experiment to make comparisons. I worry that instead of my lungs being covered black with soot and tar, that vaping may coat/shellac my lungs with stuff.
That worry aside, I will be vaping! I just can't imagine that it's as bad as smoking (approved and regulated by our FDA..lol) has been for me over the past 30 years.

 

[markarich159]

I, too, worry about how safe vaping might/might not be. I DO, however feel that it can't be any worse than smoking. I was wondering how one might do an (albeit unscientific) experiment to make comparisons. I worry that instead of my lungs being covered black with soot and tar, that vaping may coat/shellac my lungs with stuff.
That worry aside, I will be vaping! I just can't imagine that it's as bad as smoking (approved and regulated by our FDA..lol) has been for me over the past 30 years.

Theoretically,(rather then your lungs being covered with shellac) your pulmonary alveoli absorb PG(then 20-25% of that is excreted unchanged in urine) the rest your body converts first to pyruvate then either to lactic acid or CO2 and H2O , which is then excreted by lungs or kidneys

Glycerine is similar, Glycerine(being the backbone of all mono,bi and triglycerides) is again, absorbed thru your pulmonary alveoli and enters your body's fat metabolic pathway(called Beta-Oxidation) and is converted ultimately to H2O and CO2(and then excreted).

The question is; is there any damage being done, in the long term, to your pulmonary tissue, by the relatively high Glycerine or PG concentrations, prior to them being absorbed into your systemic circulation and excreted.

P.S. Tobacco products have only very,very recently been placed under the regulatory auspices of the FDA, and have never been approved by the FDA.

 

[hersch]

I use now vg safer like you said

 

[ZERO]

I really don't think you can only buy eliquid made in the USA. I think all of it is made in China.

According to everyone's health ecig have got to be at least 99.9% better than smoking. Of course it would be better for you not to do either.

Isn't HALO Juice made 100% in the USA?