What other industry has there loyal customers waiting in line and on lists f5'n the keyboard till there fingers bleed...ridiculous i say
Ban Vendors who sell Obvious Knock-Offs, i.e. Hybrids
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Ban from where? the internet? lol. Call the internet police.
Must be nice to be so well off that you can afford to pay for an atomizer what we pay for our car note. I'm not that well off, so I'll be waiting patiently for affordable alternatives.
Pardon me while I check to see if anybody has a Terminator-C or nautilus back in stock.
Must be nice to be so well off that you can afford to pay for an atomizer what we pay for our car note. I'm not that well off, so I'll be waiting patiently for affordable alternatives.
Pardon me while I check to see if anybody has a Terminator-C or nautilus back in stock.
FWIW, blu had to settle with dragonite before they were able to be purchased by lorillard. and considering how blu is viewed around here, that would seem like a win right? the article below also suggests that RJ Reynolds and Altria(philip morris) would have been quicker to market if they weren't held up by patent infringement issues. i'd chalk that up as a win for smaller vendors who were able to get additional sales and market share before the market gets flooded by big tobacco's version of e-cigs.
Electronic cigarettes: 'important new niche category' - Winston-Salem Journal: Business
There is a time and place for all equipment. If you really want to stop buying clones, then you will not wear your clothes ( knock-offs of high end designers) drive cars ( also knock offs of high end cars) , stop using your cell phone too because its got knock off features of higher end phones too.
Everything we purchase is either a knock off or clone of something high end.
Everyone gets a piece of the pie, no one is going hungry.
I have owned both high end and clones in my collection and will continue to do so.
Everything we purchase is either a knock off or clone of something high end.
Everyone gets a piece of the pie, no one is going hungry.
I have owned both high end and clones in my collection and will continue to do so.
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i can't be the only one milling my own mods out of locally sourced metals, right?
I believe anyone here in the states would be hard pressed to look throughout their home and find something that isn't a knockoff. If you have children then it's almost impossible not to find something that has been copied, either with intellectual property approval or not. If it says Made In China then you are probably using some sort of knockoff. The world is shrinking and knockoffs are in abundance in all possible products one can think of. That computer you're using is a garbage bag full of knockoffs on the inside. Look at a cell phone, Apple comes out with an iPhone and every company that can comes out with something that does almost everything and sometimes it does even more than the iPhone. Do we call these phones knockoffs? If not, then tell me why not. They're stealing an idea that Apple came out with and using it in their products copying the same ideas that Apple had.
Good luck with that.
If you really want to scrupulous with respect to that you won't be buying anything.
ever notice how the e-roll case is a knock off of another popular product invented, designed, and patented in america?
Then you better never own or use any kind of genesis you didn't build from scratch yourself. If you do, you own a knockoff. When Raidy originally invented his "genisis" idea he said loud and clear many times that he does NOT want anybody selling a genesis. He gave the info on how to make them and that's all he wants people to do.
Ok, let's wrap it up a little bit:
1. What is a clone? To my knowledge, is has to be identically designed as the original to be considered as such, otherwise it is a distinct product with may resemble some of the first one's characteristics.
2. Let's take some actual RBAs. ZAP, a genesis style RBA. AC9, another one, came after ZEN's. Nobody said it's a knock-off, on the contrary, ''oh, another high-end american-made gadget. Now if some Chinese company was to produce something identical to the AC9 (ok, they do now, but not back then) everybody would've been upset because it's such an obvious copy/clone/replica/you name it.
How come Diablo is not considered to be a Silver Dog knock-off or vice-versa?
I kinda see a pattern here: if a product has a high price tag and it's also hard to get, no problem that it's almost identical to all other similar products on the market. On the other hand, if some company comes up with a cheap product, which is also always available, all of a sudden it's a [insert country of origin, usually China] clone!
Oh, and the fact that some ''top shelf'' products are almost never on stock is most probably a marketing move of the very manufacturer, based on the fact that if their products would be readily available, they would become less valuable in the eye of the public. Anyway I totally share the American way of thinking, as in ''if I see it and I like it, I must have it now!''
Excuse my rant please, I just wanted to point out some facts.
1. What is a clone? To my knowledge, is has to be identically designed as the original to be considered as such, otherwise it is a distinct product with may resemble some of the first one's characteristics.
2. Let's take some actual RBAs. ZAP, a genesis style RBA. AC9, another one, came after ZEN's. Nobody said it's a knock-off, on the contrary, ''oh, another high-end american-made gadget. Now if some Chinese company was to produce something identical to the AC9 (ok, they do now, but not back then) everybody would've been upset because it's such an obvious copy/clone/replica/you name it.
How come Diablo is not considered to be a Silver Dog knock-off or vice-versa?
I kinda see a pattern here: if a product has a high price tag and it's also hard to get, no problem that it's almost identical to all other similar products on the market. On the other hand, if some company comes up with a cheap product, which is also always available, all of a sudden it's a [insert country of origin, usually China] clone!
Oh, and the fact that some ''top shelf'' products are almost never on stock is most probably a marketing move of the very manufacturer, based on the fact that if their products would be readily available, they would become less valuable in the eye of the public. Anyway I totally share the American way of thinking, as in ''if I see it and I like it, I must have it now!''
Excuse my rant please, I just wanted to point out some facts.
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The clone's are the one's that disturb me. The eGo is one example. There are several eGo's that look exactly like a Joyetech eGo. They are cheaper in both price AND quality.
YOMV. I don't really care.
YOMV. I don't really care.
Ok, let's wrap it up a little bit:
1. What is a clone? To my knowledge, is has to be identically designed as the original to be considered as such, otherwise it is a distinct product with may resemble some of the first one's characteristics.
2. Let's take some actual RBAs. ZAP, a genesis style RBA. AC9, another one, came after ZEN's. Nobody said it's a knock-off, on the contrary, ''oh, another high-end american-made gadget. Now if some Chinese company was to produce something identical to the AC9 (ok, they do now, but not back then) everybody would've been upset because it's such an obvious copy/clone/replica/you name it.
How come Diablo is not considered to be a Silver Dog knock-off or vice-versa?
I kinda see a pattern here: if a product has a high price tag and it's also hard to get, no problem that it's almost identical to all other similar products on the market. On the other hand, if some company comes up with a cheap product, which is also always available, all of a sudden it's a [insert country of origin, usually China] clone!
Oh, and the fact that some ''top shelf'' products are almost never on stock is most probably a marketing move of the very manufacturer, based on the fact that if their products would be readily available, they would become less valuable in the eye of the public. Anyway I totally share the American way of thinking, as in ''if I see it and I like it, I must have it now!''
Excuse my rant please, I just wanted to point out some facts.
can someone put together a list of the clones and where to get them? cuz until someone decides to pay my bills i don't have hundreds to shell out on "high end" product that cost a fraction of the price to make, so who made the genesis style atomizer? everyone else is a knock off...
Ok, let's wrap it up a little bit:
1. What is a clone? To my knowledge, is has to be identically designed as the original to be considered as such, otherwise it is a distinct product with may resemble some of the first one's characteristics.
2. Let's take some actual RBAs. ZAP, a genesis style RBA. AC9, another one, came after ZEN's. Nobody said it's a knock-off, on the contrary, ''oh, another high-end american-made gadget. Now if some Chinese company was to produce something identical to the AC9 (ok, they do now, but not back then) everybody would've been upset because it's such an obvious copy/clone/replica/you name it.
How come Diablo is not considered to be a Silver Dog knock-off or vice-versa?
I kinda see a pattern here: if a product has a high price tag and it's also hard to get, no problem that it's almost identical to all other similar products on the market. On the other hand, if some company comes up with a cheap product, which is also always available, all of a sudden it's a [insert country of origin, usually China] clone!
Oh, and the fact that some ''top shelf'' products are almost never on stock is most probably a marketing move of the very manufacturer, based on the fact that if their products would be readily available, they would become less valuable in the eye of the public. Anyway I totally share the American way of thinking, as in ''if I see it and I like it, I must have it now!''
Excuse my rant please, I just wanted to point out some facts.
this is correct,
I would bet a dime to a dollar most of the folks who oppose the "clones" own a few originals that they "played the game" to get and also spent hundreds on them....I did it for mine and refuse to do it again...
Really if you think about it the clones will do nothing but push quality up and create new ideas ....not saying its related but the Zen2 system will be a Batt tube with an optional 510 connector and not a true hybrid...innovation continues to evolve this industry and we are in an exciting time...there is rumor of a new technology emerging either "sonic" or "heat" i dont know but wicks and coils could soon be old technology faster than we think.
now if someone developed a way to vaporize via sonic waves, microwave, etc i'd shell out a couple hundred for that, but not for a couple of metal caps and a glass tube if there is a china made one of close to quality...
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